posted November 19, 2011 01:23 PM            

Are you tall? Are you skinny? What's your romantic and sexual orientations? Can you dance, sing, draw? Maybe you're a genius, maybe you have a disability.

Astrology is just planets in the sky being interpreted by us. And it's true hell of a lotta times, but what can it NOT apply to?

Twins? People with the exact same chart, but in a different location? Destined for fame or forever in poverty? Are you perma-religious and a strict atheist?

posted November 19, 2011 01:25 PM            

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted November 19, 2011 01:33 PM            

On the other hand, there is a simple explanation as to why twins who were then not separated at birth, develop different personalities. It's simply survival instinct. Diversity leads to survival of a species. Of course, that's just a theory.

As to when it doesn't apply to us, is something that imho can be found in interpretations. We're a small world nowadays, everyone knows everyone. When an interpretation of a certain rising says you're supposed to be a blonde, and you're Asian, of course there's little to no chance at all that is ever going to happen.

In my personal case, most of my chart resonates in my talents and personality, even in my appearance, except for one thing: my Sagittarius rising would suggest I'm taller than average, but with a father who is only 5'2 and a mother who is 5'3, you can imagine that would be impossible. You could argue that it would be genetically impossible for me to get any taller than I am, were it not that my brother is much taller than I am, clearly showing that there is a genetic possibility that I could have been taller than average.

posted November 19, 2011 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
Oh, and according to a third rate astrologer my Gemini Moon in 7th house would have suggested bisexuality as well.

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posted November 19, 2011 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Where does astrology end and REAL life begin? What can astrology not determine that is really in the hands of biology?

Are you tall? Are you skinny? What's your romantic and sexual orientations? Can you dance, sing, draw? Maybe you're a genius, maybe you have a disability.

Astrology is just planets in the sky being interpreted by us. And it's true hell of a lotta times, but what can it NOT apply to?

Twins? People with the exact same chart, but in a different location? Destined for fame or forever in poverty? Are you perma-religious and a strict atheist?

I'm actually trying to think for once and astrology is my topic. Where do you draw the line between astrology and what you actually live, do, breathe, believe to be real?

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Fascinating topic RedScorp. I'm going through a process at the moment of becoming desensitized to new age sciences but I'll give me input. Besides passing interest and occasional research astrology does not play a significant role in my life. But I will always appreciate astrology for helping me to re-interpret myself. Sometimes though I feel like astrology is making me more close minded then open minded. Making rush judgments or even just assumptions about people based on their sign(s) and placement(s) and categorizing and classifying and synthesizing. It's all really how you choose to use it. I don't know, for the most part today I avoid asking people about their signs and try to get to know people for who they are separate from their probable astrological makeup.

The last person I was in a relationship with I didn't even know his sign or birth date. It was freeing in a sense not to breakdown who he was astrologically and just discover who he was as I got to know him. I don't want to live my life by the rules of any science or new age art, I think they allow me to recognize patterns however I'd much rather just focus on enjoying and experiencing life separate from trying to interpret its occult significance. If there are patterns and laws in the scheme of our existence, in this Universe, I believe they'll be revealed to me in time as they always have in the past.

posted November 19, 2011 02:01 PM            

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Fascinating topic RedScorp. I'm going through a process at the moment of becoming desensitized to new age sciences but I'll give me input.

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Why thank you! I've written topics before in the past, but I didn't post them because I felt maybe they wouldn't be interesting enough. I just think "eh, maybe this one will slip under the radar." and not post. But thanks, again!

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...Sometimes though I feel like astrology is making me more close minded then open minded. Making rush judgments or even just assumptions about people based on their sign(s) and placement(s) and categorizing and classifying and synthesizing. It's all really how you choose to use it. I don't know, for the most part today I avoid asking people about their signs and try to get to know people for who they are separate from their probable astrological makeup.

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Yeah, that's kinda how I view astrology. It's more about the actual person then what their chart suggests - to me.

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I've drawn a line and it seems to be receding...

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posted November 19, 2011 04:46 PM            

every day i learn something new just as every day there's an opportunity to experience something new.. astrology doesn't just end where you think it does, it does if u want it to but there is SOOOOOOOO much to learn.. through learning that, i learn more about me and i accept more about me and if i do that, i'm more comfortable with myself and i can be more comfortable around other people and could accept them for what they are or who they choose to be.

the chart, houses, planets and all of that are just the beginning.. it gets soooo in-depth that literally, u only go as far as u want to with it or as far as you're ready to go and everything else goes along with it!

it's just the law of the universe.

you have sabian symbols that u might want to learn from
you have decans
dwads
harmonic aspects
synastry charts
composite charts
progressed charts
horary charts
midpoints
progressed composites
astrocartography

it all depends on what your life is being lived for and i guess, it would depend a lot on your eighth house or what your chart would imply.. some people are prone to wanting to go further and learn more than others and that's totally ok.

as far as astrologers go, i take em with a grain of salt.. i prefer to do it on my own.. there have been perhaps a handful of some that i've found to be what i would recommend someone else to go read, but the rest? i don't bother with them and there's not much that i'll want to do in regards to that because people still have free will and there is still human nature; a lot of the people that have grown and matured now, have already been set in a certain mind-frame and some don't seem to want or care to grow out of early conditioning and unfortunately, their conditioning was influenced largely in part by marketing, corporations, all kinds of ignorance so it is up to you to decide and determine where the line is because they're toeing a completely different line and that line wasn't even created by them; i'd not find them to be somewhat of a personal insult had they drawn the line themselves but i do get very urked when i see some of them shoving that line on the internet or something when their personal work has long since taken a back seat!

mind, body and soul.

all 3 are equally as important
healthy mind, healthy body, healthy soul = healthy life.

misinformation is something that i consider to be a personal attack.. i try so hard to not go off on some threads when people say something that is incorrect because they say it with such certainty and that's ridiculous, to me - it's pollution.

i'm the type of person that if someone asks me and i don't know, i'll flat out tell them that i don't know it but i'll be back in about 1 minute or two with accurate information, though.. that's for sure.. u kno the story of romeo and juliet? how the friar tried to send romeo a letter and he never got it in time and because of it, all kinds of unnecessary b.s. happened? well, that's what i think not being on top of your came could do.. some of the 'spiritual' folks and people that just wish to guide u may have been misguided themselves so, the best thing that you can do for yourself, is find out how to create your own path and incorporate the thinking that fits you best because that's what will work for you; you create it, you define it, you know what's good for you and i doubt that your heart would ever misguide you.

so for me, the lines that i need are all in my chart.. nowhere else.. astrology is a great tool! for about as long as humans have lived they've always had something external to look to for guidance..

you could learn from that.. because if you don't know exactly where you're going or what you're doing and the person next to you doesn't either, you'd just be two lost fools.. what people benefit a lot from is looking at things objectively and from a third person point of view.. because there are no emotions to cloud judgment..

and if you learn to see things about yourself and your life from the point of view of all these things you'd learn through astrology and the planets and life, you can better identify your true potential from many different angles.

you're free to go which ever way you'd please, boo!

if you're swimming in a lake and someone comes to you rowing their canoe and their canoe has a stupid hole in it (that the renter put in there to make sure the person returned the canoe in time) and they tell you to get into their canoe with their stupid little hole in it.. where do you think you'll be in a few if u do? right back where you started only that it'll just be with someone else that u aren't even sure if they know how to swim! so what's the use?

posted November 19, 2011 07:04 PM            

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well scorpy, i don't exactly understand what it is that i'm going for here but i guess what i'll try to say, is that the what i've found to remain constant is that my progress in astrology reflects my progress in life so both are intertwined and i don't care to or want to separate the two.

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I think I caught what you meant. But also, uh, I'm not even good at astrology while you are... If anything, I think I only like astrology because it keeps me busy or something.
For you it like, it like WORKS for you. Maybe it's beyond me.

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misinformation is something that i consider to be a personal attack.. i try so hard to not go off on some threads when people say something that is incorrect because they say it with such certainty and that's ridiculous, to me - it's pollution.

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Lmfao! I can see (and have seen) that! Seeing you in such a huff...

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i'm the type of person that if someone asks me and i don't know, i'll flat out tell them that i don't know it but i'll be back in about 1 minute or two with accurate information, though

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you're free to go which ever way you'd please, boo!

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You make it sound so believable.

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if you're swimming in a lake and someone comes to you rowing their canoe and their canoe has a stupid hole in it (that the renter put in there to make sure the person returned the canoe in time) and they tell you to get into their canoe with their stupid little hole in it.. where do you think you'll be in a few if u do? right back where you started only that it'll just be with someone else that u aren't even sure if they know how to swim! so what's the use?

what u can do, is tell them to shove it and if u know how to, F*CKIN SWIM!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpWsVw9HfBQ

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Aha, I see what you mean. Well I was just kinda thinking about the 'if's and 'but's of astrology, the thoughts provoked by the conclusion that I'm not good at astrology anyways.

But I think astrology is my yellow brick road and I'm not reeeeaaaally ready to say goodbye to it yet.