posted November 21, 2011 07:37 PM            

http://www.dearbrutus.com/angularity.html

I have Venus DC (orb < 1) with Sun and Mercury widely conjunct it as well (6 and 7 orb respectively) and Uranus conjunct MC (orb 5) so I checked it out…

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Venus/DESC – Game – You are plucky, experimentative, and willing to give other people’s ideas and impulses a shot (gullible). People are swayed by your naïve enthusiasm and buoyancy even in the face of difficulties.

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True – I am a “happy idiot”, in this instance just meaning that I like to give people a shot. My Moon-Pluto conjunction helps weed people out but it hasn’t stopped me from being optimistic.

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Sun/DESC – Influential – You are unassuming and solicitous, but don’t permit others to get too close or too personal (cold). Egalitarian and encouraging, others nonetheless quite naturally defer to your authoritativeness and resolve.

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Hmm, maybe it is this aspect that contributes to my keeping people at arm’s length (I think I have used that phrase about 8 times on this board!) and why people feel the need to talk to me/ask me for help and advice when I am just sitting there, minding my own business…

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Mercury/DESC – Judicious – You possess a down-home simplicity and objectivity (remoteness), and you are willing to take other people’s feelings and viewpoints into account. You are believable and reasonable, and hence inspire the trust of others.

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Yes. Also goes with the “strangers trust me way too much/too often” thing. I always credit the 7th house and Libra Moon with my ability to remain objective…

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Uranus/MC – Free-spirited – You are idealistic and visionary, and recognize no authority but your own (contumacious). You are perceptive and intellectually quick. You prefer to strike out on your own rather than conform to society’s expectations of you.

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Too true. I try to curb this when it comes to career but I always seem to find the roundabout way of doing things. It works out so, it isn’t so bad…

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Ruler DESC conjunct DESC – Self-contented – You are breezy, insouciant, and unaffected (self-centered). You are confident and have a positive outlook because you feel complete unto yourself. You don’t need (or leave much room for) the support of other people in your life.

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Mostly true but not entirely. Yes, I am confident and it might seem like I don’t need support but I do. I could see how I don’t leave much room for it though. I think it is because I have always had to rely on myself for everything since I was very young, I got used to that. I have learned from that though, I now ask for help when I need it instead of taking things on myself. I don’t have to feel alone and trapped. It took a while for me to learn that and I am still working on it now. My NN is in the 7th so that is one of the things I have to learn. I don't feel "complete" though, I do need someone else along with me...

posted November 21, 2011 08:31 PM            

Mercury/DESC – Judicious – You possess a down-home simplicity and objectivity (remoteness), and you are willing to take other people’s feelings and viewpoints into account. You are believable and reasonable, and hence inspire the trust of others.
3° Yes for inspiring trust, mostly reasonable.

Saturn/IC – Modest – You are plain, unvarnished, and unpretentious (undiplomatic). You are neither timid nor shy, but rather are unobtrusive. You hide nothing, defend nothing, and keep your distance by being wide-open and nonjudgmental.
4° I really have no idea what this one means.

posted November 21, 2011 08:37 PM            

*And it's all true!*

Mercury/DESC – Judicious – You possess a down-home simplicity and objectivity (remoteness), and you are willing to take other people’s feelings and viewpoints into account. You are believable and reasonable, and hence inspire the trust of others.

OK the libra placements (my 7th house) make me soo indecisive, but random people do tell me their problems. It's fun haha.

Jupiter/IC – Brisk – You are good-natured, tolerant, and resilient (above-it-all). You don’t take things personally, but have a smooth and lofty manner which minimizes friction and bother, and which keeps you free of compromising entanglements.

Think sometimes having this and the libra placements makes me too easy going, thus I get taken advantage of. -_- But Jupiter is by far my strongest planet in my natal, and it's pretty cool it's in my 4th house, supposedly helps with having a happy marriage? I dunno.

Uranus/MC – Free-spirited – You are idealistic and visionary, and recognize no authority but your own (contumacious). You are perceptive and intellectually quick. You prefer to strike out on your own rather than conform to society’s expectations of you.

posted November 21, 2011 08:54 PM            

Venus/ASC – Vulnerable – You are genial, unaffected, and innocent (self-indulgent). You have a knack for getting on a familiar basis with everyone you meet. You endear yourself to others with your unsophisticated impetuousness and optimism.

Somewhat true.. I don't know if others see me that way since Venus is in the 12th house, but I am self indulgent! (I eat too much chocolate lol)

Pluto/DESC – Cunning – You are outspoken and to the point (sarcastic), and have a gift for seeing clearly through superficial role-playing and posturing. You are able to avoid the snares of other people because you are alert to their covert manipulation, and you are not afraid to call a spade a spade.

posted November 22, 2011 12:56 AM            

Uranus/MC – Free-spirited – You are idealistic and visionary, and recognize no authority but your own (contumacious). You are perceptive and intellectually quick. You prefer to strike out on your own rather than conform to society’s expectations of you.

posted November 22, 2011 01:57 AM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
woah didn't expect others to have uranus conjunct MC like me. Do you find it causes difficulties with defining career objectives? Like knowing what you should be pursuing and studying in university, career direction etc. It's a pretty difficult aspect imo.

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posted November 22, 2011 02:24 AM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
wow that's like me. I just turned 22 and I'm pretty lost in terms of what actual career direction I should be heading. Basically found I've wasted the last few years in uni kinda not sure about things. Started off studying like architecture but then changed majors. Might have to change degrees again sigh. It falls in my 9th house too, but since it conjuncts my MC by 0'02 degrees, it's so difficult. And my parents are like super overachievers so they've been applying alot of pressure and I feel stressed.
I like how it makes me true to myself and I'm not one to ever conform but gosh...Talk about unnecessary stress.

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I understand, my father is a college professor so education was always his deal. Architecture was actually my third major! I went back to school for it when I was 23 but after one semester I dropped out again, only to go back (for health sciences) two years later...Actually, with what I want to do now I am right back where I started 14 years ago - education. I could have had this done 10 years ago (I'm 32)...

The thing is, I love school! (Moon in 9th conjunct Pluto in 8th) I can't imagine education not being a part of my life. I am actually hoping I get a job in one soon (fingers crossed!)...It is more like a career move than just a job so I hope it all works out...

posted November 22, 2011 07:03 AM            

Moon/MC – Protective – You possess a refinement and delicacy (prissiness) that is attuned to psychological subtleties and the feelings of other people in your social milieu. You project a sense of emotional equilibrium – of calm in the storm – to which others look for refuge.

Mercury/DESC – Judicious – You possess a down-home simplicity and objectivity (remoteness), and you are willing to take other people’s feelings and viewpoints into account. You are believable and reasonable, and hence inspire the trust of others.

Venus/DESC – Game – You are plucky, experimentative, and willing to give other people’s ideas and impulses a shot (gullible). People are swayed by your naïve enthusiasm and buoyancy even in the face of difficulties.

Pluto/ASC – Flashy – You come on strong and make a powerful impression, though you have the saving grace of an ironic good-humor (obstinate). You are alert and opportunistic, driven by a high-wire energy.

3 are rulers conjuncting it..

Ruler ASC conjunct ASC – Self-possessed – You are straightforward and direct, and mince no words (tactless). You are able to be yourself – natural and at ease – in any surroundings. You are proud, stately, and never compromise your dignity.

Ruler DESC conjunct DESC – Self-contented – You are breezy, insouciant, and unaffected (self-centered). You are confident and have a positive outlook because you feel complete unto yourself. You don’t need (or leave much room for) the support of other people in your life.

posted November 22, 2011 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
woah didn't expect others to have uranus conjunct MC like me. Do you find it causes difficulties with defining career objectives? Like knowing what you should be pursuing and studying in university, career direction etc. It's a pretty difficult aspect imo.

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It's not just you.

My conjunct actually has Uranus in the 9th, but I've experienced it in both 9th and 10th house areas of life. The first time I tried college it was a DISASTER and I ended up back at home in a matter of a month or two; career stuff is super-difficult for me as well and at this point I'm thinking I might actually have to do something like start my own business in order to ever really have any amount of money coming in that I can actually live off of; or that I'm going to have to try and go into some really usual field like carnvial sideshow act or something because every time I try to get a mainstream job I go down in FLAMES. I just went on an interview last week, and got an email yesterday morning from them where they turned me down.

posted November 22, 2011 12:24 PM            

Sun/MC – Utopian – You dedicate your life to a cause or belief system, and measure your progress against some abstract standard of morality and comportment, rather than in terms of social rewards (superiority). Where most people are intent upon the path beneath their feet, you are always looking beyond the horizon towards an ideal reality.

Moon/IC – Whole-hearted – You are sensitive and tenacious, and responsive primarily to your own inner voice (solipsistic). You are self-reliant and prefer being alone and on your own in life.

Neptune/IC – Hopeful – You tend to be upright, principled, and high-minded (quixotic). You have a positive approach to life which looks to the good sides of people and events without being naïve or easily gulled.

Sounds okay... but goes deeper than that.

posted November 23, 2011 01:57 AM            

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The career track would seldom be traditional when the 10th house features Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto or the signs those planets rule—Aquarius, Pisces, or Scorpio. Typically, it takes people with these chart placements longer to find their true vocation, since they are challenged to integrate the energy of that outer planet into the workplace, merging the transpersonal with the vocational. For instance, people with Uranus near the Midheaven might gain recognition by shocking us and shaking up the status quo. People with Neptune near the Midheaven—say within 10° of it, might yearn for a career that is artistic and creative.

…. Uranians’ resumes tend to be full of mysterious gaps that give job interviewers the willies, and their references tend to be friends or colleagues rather than past employers. They tend to change jobs frequently and suddenly, particularly when bosses clamp down on them. Transiting Uranus is often the impetus for their vocational shifts, for it increases the restlessness and the need to adhere to their own authority rather than rather than former supervisors. However, they’re seldom jobless for long unless they want to be, because they’re usually so bright at what they do that they dazzle potential employers into ignoring the personnel officer’s “red flags” of warning. (They’re also inventive enough to come up with plausible reasons for their spotty job history.)

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-- from http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-uranus/

or this...

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Uranians can have a superiority complex—sometimes even a justified one—but those who cross the line into arrogance are likely to create friction with bosses and coworkers. They inherently feel the rules don’t apply to them, for after all they’re special. Surprisingly often, they get away with it, for they appeal to our too-frequently-suppressed Inner Outlaw, and we live vicariously through their escapades.

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...that sounds exactly like me...

posted November 23, 2011 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I have

Sun/MC – Utopian – You dedicate your life to a cause or belief system, and measure your progress against some abstract standard of morality and comportment, rather than in terms of social rewards (superiority). Where most people are intent upon the path beneath their feet, you are always looking beyond the horizon towards an ideal reality.

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I have that! Oh, man, I'm so doomed, can't see the reality of things! Lol...Didn't know Sun conj MC was a bad thing...I suppose it gives you a huge ego, too...

posted November 24, 2011 08:20 AM            

This one causes so many problems. Before I even realize something upsets me, I already have my eyes filled with tears. I don't think Libra is a particularly emotional moon, and my Gemini Sun and Mercury really don't agree with this kind of emotional behavior. I always find myself wondering why do I have tears flowing out of my eyes when the situation is not all that important. It's kind of inconvenient.
I don't know how many times I've had to tell people I'm talking to to ignore my tears. I'm used to it and know it doesn't mean that much, but others get concerned.

Mars/DESC – Steadfast – You are mild of manner, but iron-willed (headstrong). You are good-natured and obliging in the nonessentials, and have a knack for being forceful and unyielding without being overreaching or giving needless offense.

Ruler ASC conjunct ASC – Self-possessed – You are straightforward and direct, and mince no words (tactless). You are able to be yourself – natural and at ease – in any surroundings. You are proud, stately, and never compromise your dignity.

Ruler DESC conjunct DESC – Self-contented – You are breezy, insouciant, and unaffected (self-centered). You are confident and have a positive outlook because you feel complete unto yourself. You don’t need (or leave much room for) the support of other people in your life.

It's not true that I don't need support... I'm a Libra Moon/Asc, I constantly need a person I love to be with me and I need emotional support, too. Relationships are very important because of that.

Ruler IC conjunct IC – Self-cloistering – You are friendly and sociable, but fundamentally are a loner, and you find sustained contact with other people grating or enervating (self-pampering). You are happiest and do your best work alone, on your own.

I always thought this whole wanting to live alone thing was because of Aquarius on the 4th house cusp. I always felt like I simply want to do everything myself and come home and be able to do things I want to do. I also love decorating my own home the way I want it to be and have things I like in it and not have to do what others like (like my mother never agreed with me on anything and she never wanted to decorate a house the way I liked it, so I always felt like I can't wait to move out).
And it's true that I'd rather work alone.

Uranus/IC – Fearless – You are dynamic, resourceful, and free-thinking (wrong-headed). You have a capacity for plunging ahead and making sudden, drastic changes in your environment and life-style whenever your life situation becomes too restrictive.

posted November 24, 2011 08:26 AM            

Sun/DESC – Influential
Venus/DESC – Game
Mars/DESC – Steadfast
Saturn/ASC – Poised
Ruler ASC conjunct ASC – Self-possessed
Ruler DESC conjunct DESC – Self-contented

posted November 24, 2011 09:06 AM            

I really appreciate your post for this paragraph:

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Angularity symbolizes a sense of belonging, of being in the know, on the inside track. Angular types are not unconventional, but rather are above convention. They go through the motions of meeting – indeed, exceeding – social expectations; but they put very little importance upon appearances. They are aware (as most people are not) that social conventions and expectations are wholly arbitrary and not to be taken too seriously.

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much of that essay really spoke to me.

Thanks.

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and this bit-->They manifest an intimacy which is neither warm, compassionate, nor sweet, but is genuine nonetheless. They immediately put themselves on a personal basis with other people by being pleasant and inviting of manner, and by dealing with others on a basis of equality; and yet they are fundamentally cold – always maintaining their distance and reserve.

posted November 24, 2011 09:56 AM            

The Leo / Aquarius _ Taurus / Scorpio frictions of sameness. I have often thought that the similarities are part of the friction. Unrecognized -or- unrealized parts of self that we find reflected in others.

I cannot influence/manipulate Scorp. types in the usual way, as they are more similar to me than different. Therefore they are trouble (to me) in that they do not allow me to get my way. They inherently recognize my agenda, and perforce challenge it.

posted November 24, 2011 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Fuzzy:
Moon/ASC – Tender – You are soft, gentle, innocent, and easily moved (wounded). You show your feelings quite openly – you wear your heart on your sleeve – which makes you a sympathetic listener on the one hand, and outspoken and tart on the other.

....I don't know how many times I've had to tell people I'm talking to to ignore my tears. I'm used to it and know it doesn't mean that much, but others get concerned.

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The same thing with me! My Moon is exalted, makes it even worse (and they say Taurus is a stabile sign, yeah, right...), I cry often, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'm really sad or upset...it's just a venting thing for me...Others get concerned, cause it looks like I'm about to go insane, or kill myself, but it's really nothing, I just change moods quite quickly...