posted November 24, 2011 08:41 AM            

According to Wagner in his 2008 book, Pieces of My Heart, he had been jealous of Wood's friendship with Walken and there had been a fight between him, Walken, and Wood, during which Wagner smashed a wine bottle on a table. Also according to Wagner, it was at this time that Wood left for her stateroom and Walken retired to his, with Wagner behind Wood. [29] According to Davern, the yacht's captain, it was at this time that he heard the couple fighting; he reports that he turned up his stereo to drown out the argument. Looking out the pilot house window, he saw both Wood and Wagner arguing at the aft deck of the yacht. Shortly after this, Davern claims, Wagner sought him out, saying he couldn't find Wood. Davern unsuccessfully searched the boat for her, also noticing that the yacht's dinghy was missing. According to Davern, Wagner seemed unconcerned about Wood's disappearance and poured drinks for both himself and Davern. [32]

At this point, Wagner's story as told in his book differs from Davern's: he claims when he went to their stateroom to talk to Wood, she wasn't there. Wagner further states that while he and Davern searched the boat for his wife he also noticed the dinghy to be missing. Wagner further wrote that he had assumed Wood had used the dinghy to go to shore as a result of the argument. [33] Davern claims that Wagner not only seemed unconcerned, but that he told Davern not to alert anyone about Wood's absence. According to Davern, Wagner said, "We're not going to look too hard, we’re not going to turn on the search light, we’re not going to notify anybody right at the moment." [34]

Wagner's theory is that Wood tried either to leave the yacht or to secure a dinghy from banging against the hull when she accidentally slipped and fell overboard. [35] When her body was found a mile from the dinghy on Sunday afternoon, she was wearing a down jacket, a nightgown, and socks. [36]

A woman on a nearby yacht reported she had heard a woman calling for help at around midnight. She further reported that the cries lasted for about 15 minutes and were answered by someone else who said, "Take it easy. We'll be over to get you." [23] According to the witness, "It was laid back, there was no urgency or immediacy in their shouts." [23][37]

Los Angeles County coroner Thomas Noguchi ruled her death an accident following his investigation. [38]

posted November 24, 2011 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by freebrainstorms:
ahhhh I love natalie wood! What an amazing woman.

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I've adored her for years, she's in my top three favorite actresses (along with Natalie Portman and Angelina Jolie). I have the bio on Natalie, "Natasha"...my favorite movies of hers are "Splendor in the Grass"; "This Property is Condemned" and "Inside Daisy Clover".

All the speculation and gossip about the night she died, frankly p*sses me off and I think it's incredibly disrespectful; I had to actually stop reading a topic on another astro board about this because of the sleazy, malicious gossipy vibe that was permeating the thread and bothering the 5h1t out of me.

I wish people would focus more on her actual work, how great a person she was, and think of her daughters.

I feel like I relate a lot to her too. Something about her has always felt familiar to me.Our Mars, Mercury and Venus are all in the same signs, so no wonder. She also had a heavy Libra emphasis with the Libran ascendant; I have four planets in the sign. There's also a fair amount of Plutonian and Uranian activity in her chart and mine is the same way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWbd8uOsbBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Cw-bkQLPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulWuA255ZLc

"She had to have an IQ of close to 200. She was just a whiz-banger. I showed her my agriculture book one day and said, "I've got to get a book report out ofthat', and she just grabbed it out of my hand, and the next morning, I had a book report on the entire book. I didn't ask her to, I was just complaining. And I got an A+. They put it on the wall. And she didn't know anything about agriculture. She was just absolutely the smartest thing I ever met in my life."

(from the book "Natasha : An Autobiography of Natalie Wood", pg 107)

"Mary Ann was with Natalie at times when other junior high girls whispered jealously as they passed her by. 'Natalie was really a very tender soul, and when people would rebuff her - and young girls are just the worst, they're vicious - she would take this to heart and I would say to her, "Honey, you just can't please everyone...the hell with it.Forget about that." I was a little harder, and I think it helped her to get over worrying about, "Gee, this one didn't even smile at me when I walked by." She didn't have a mean bone in her body. Believe me. There were times I wish she had been a little stronger, but she just would never dream of offending anybody. And believe me, there were times when she should have, but it wasn't in her." (page 81)

"Mary Ann used to tease Natalie about her tiny, five-foot frame, saying, 'You actresses all look alike. Little paper dolls. You've gotta get somebody that wears a size ten shoe!' Natalie was sensitive about her size, which she worried made her seem even more juvenile. 'She seemed poised, which you might consider more mature,' a classmate observes, 'but because of her looks I did not get the feeling she was older. She had this really cute, darling face that made her seem if anything younger than her years - almost a baby face, like a doll." (page 81)

posted November 25, 2011 11:11 PM            

First thing that pops out to me is Mars/Pluto (classic death combination) solar arc'd to the n.Asc.

For each chart, the factors for death are different, so we might get more insight if we looked for what factors were in play at the time of her death and focused on them in transit (but how could one ever ignore Mars/Pluto).
So this is the chart for her death,

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Regarding my comments further down, first thing I want to say is that in the death charts that I have studied (at least 100 by now) there are always multiple factors that point to 2 separate circumstances. There have to be multiple for each, and both conditions have to be met. So if you're reading this, and experiencing for example one of the transits mentioned, it does not mean that your time is near, since this reading is personalized for Natalie Wood based on her birth info.
The 2 conditions are:
1) Markers for accident/violence/disease (for the physical body to be affected adversely), and
2) For lack of a better term, something that I will call 'breaking ties with the earthly plane,' looking for markers for transformation, broadened viewpoint, freedom, and traveling a new path in life.

Cause was drowning, typically Neptune related. Bolded positions are for date of death.
First I look at the ruler of the 8th and see if it is being activated.
Her 8th is ruled by Venus, and interestingly p.Sun was conj n.Venus at the time (this is typically a period when someone falls in love, whether it be w.a career,partner,hobby, no matter). I don't know her backstory, so can't comment on that but it is significant for a death chart.

n.Venus 7 Virgo
p.Sun 9 Virgo
sa.Mars 10 Virgo
sa.Pluto 11 Virgo
So you can see progressed Sun nearing a conjunction w. solar arc Mars/Pluto (transformation/violence/death) reiterating her natal stellium. The Sun is indicative of the husband in a woman's chart, so one interpretation can be that the husband was fated to play some role in her death, whether it be fighting for her life, or causing her death. Sun/Mars/Pluto is also indicative of increased power through association with a male, giving her even more recognition, and so her stellium fell in her n.10th.

t.Saturn 19 Libra
sa.Venus 19 Libra
You see the solar arc'd ruler of her 8th conj t.Saturn exact. Saturn rules her 4th, 4th is also indicative of end of life circumstances. So that combined w.Mars/Pluto is enough to satisfy for death/transformation entering the picture on this day

n.Sun 27 Cancer
n.Mars/Pluto 28 Cancer
p.Venus 25 Libra
t.Pluto 25 Libra
t.Pluto is always good to bring in for death charts, for the day she died it was aggravating her natal conjunction in a sq from her 1st (Pluto/1st also relates to transformation) AND conj her p.Venus (H8 ruler) exact. So you can see not just one aspect for a death chart, in almost all cases there is a play on a theme, seen in various ways.

So far Neptune hasn't been implicated.
Neptune comes into play natally, ruling the 6th house of health and being placed in the 12th of confinement.
n.Neptune 19 Virgo
t.Mars 22 Virgo
t.Neptune 23 Sagittarius
Neptune/Mars is a classic combination for losing one's way and a feeling of futility, 'why even fight' and of course weakened energy. t.Neptune in square to this emphasizes this energy, she must have been at a confused time in her life. Neptune/Mars also relates to alcohol or drugs so it is possible that she was drunk or under the influence at the time. Also keep in mind for her that Mars is conj Pluto natally so even in transit it carries the energy of her natal conjunction.

So we have Neptune for drowning, but Uranus is the one that rules accidents.
Natally it's not looking good for her already since Uranus is placed in the 8th, so wherever it travels by p.,sa., or t., it will be carrying the energy of the 8th.
n.Jupiter 0 Pisces
t.Uranus 0 Sagittarius
p.Mercury 0 Virgo
Jupiter/Uranus transiting square, a marker for being adventurous, but also for an accident if one is not careful since Uranus is set into overdrive w.Jupiter. The p.Mercury turns it into a tsquare, showing that her mind was itching for excitement, she was on vacation after all. If she did in fact get on that lil ferry herself, this tsquare could have been the reason for it. She was usually afraid of water (h6 ruler Neptune in 12th perhaps) but this could have easily pushed her beyond her self-imposed boundaries since her mind was in an exaggerated, excitable state. Even tho the Mercury was in Virgo a sign for noticing the details of a matter, the exact opp and sq to Uranus/Jupiter marred her judgment. If it had been trine to Saturn, maybe a different story, but neither Uranus nor Jupiter aid in moderating behavior.

n.Uranus 17 Taurus
t.Chiron 19 Taurus
sa.Chiron 17 Leo
Chiron relates to a wounded state, conj n.Uranus there was a possibility for any sudden action taken at this time to impart a feeling of loss, being wounded beyond repair. The sq to sa.Chiron by t.Chiron could be interpreted as aggravating old wounds simultaneously.

sa.Neptune 0 Scorpio
t.Jupiter 0 Scorpio
Jupiter/Neptune is the high-flyer in so many ways, transcending boundaries by leaps and bounds, in a natal it is a hugely imaginative contact, in a death chart it is one (of many) markers for leaving this earth, and there is an exact conjunction.

t.NN 23 Cancer
n.Sun 27 Cancer
Not closely conjunct, at all, but the symbolism of this is finding a new mode of expression in line with one's karmic/nodal path, so this could easily be a marker for transformation.

posted August 23, 2012 02:03 PM            

Jeez, replete w. P Moon opp N Sun.

In March 13 2014 thereabouts,
Pluto will be 13 Capricorn exactly on her IC, Uranus will be 11 Aries exactly on her Dsc, Saturn will be 24 Scorpio on her NN, the transiting Libra NN will be squaring her Sun/Mars/Pluto, and Jupiter will be at 10 Cancer conj her MC.
Her P Sun will be closer to her Asc as well, at 10 Libra
And on that day her SA Mars will be 11'47 Libra, conj her Asc 11'49 Libra.
Well I'm officially bookmarking this thread, just for curiosity's sake

posted August 24, 2012 01:04 PM            

^ Vague. If the drowning was caused by something,eg specific body chemistry,like alcohol induced state,I think they'd word it differently,focus on drowning. But if they put it like that,it seems there is more to it,than just drowning.

They say it is long period of the same investigation,nearing its end,that is active work,because cases like this are never really closed,but passive. And Wagner supports it.

There is certainly something in the air,and that's H12
*let's suppose something could be additionally said,when pMerc enters into tsquare Pluto sq Uranus
- and pSun later on, but with some sort of revelation when they progress into H1. And probably strong media attention,at this point,they are reporting it rather nonchalantly.

Also,the investigation period coincides with tMars transit through H12.

H12-H1 transition/progression is an amazing release,so I focus on that,and add the situation you mentioned,yeah,I do think they are onto something.

posted August 24, 2012 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
*let's suppose something could be additionally said,when pMerc enters into tsquare Pluto sq Uranus

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