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lindisfarne
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posted November 25, 2011 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya the Taurus was born with Scorpio Pluto

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SpooL
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posted November 25, 2011 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpooL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
whops.. I was viewing the site off my phone, I didn't see part of the page.

Anyway, If your not sure of his birth data and he drives, look at the plate on vehicle and the ontario registration sticker it should expire the month of his bday.

My Tarrus grandpa is sorta manipulative he is alot like my cancer dad in the sense they always want people to pitty of them and take advantage of peoples niceness.

Not that I think of much of them for that reason.

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sand
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posted November 26, 2011 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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charlie
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posted March 05, 2015 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, I don't find looking for this in a chart very productive because it causes paranoia I will take myself as an example of having cheated on partners (and thus lied and manipulated) where my natal chart, to generalize, doesn't reflect such behavior at all! Many humans are capable of being a liar, manipulator and all around a**hat if occasion calls for it..The "predative" behavior might come into play because we as humans have an instinct to "survive" and "surviving" might include all sorts of nasty displays.

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posted March 05, 2017 04:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunAscendant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I think it's the dark side of Scorpio.. and negative Pluto aspects.
If Taurus guy was born with a Scorpio Pluto - it could be opposite his Sun.. and this could lead to such behaviour.

I have Sun in Taurus and Pluto in Scorpio but my Sun is at 2 degrees and my Pluto is at 27 Scorpio. My closest aspects are Venus square Neptune and square Uranus so you'd think I'd get the wool pulled over my eyes, but no, I have a grand earth trine so I'm full common sense and naturally assume everyone lies and I'm NEVER EVER wrong. I lie unfortunately. I have Venus and Mercury in Aries. I'm always talking too fast or thinking too fast lol. Same goes for love.

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posted March 05, 2017 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunAscendant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People tell me I'm a compulsive liar. Here are the aspects in my chart that prove that:

Jupiter Rx in the 3rd in detriment in Virgo (inflated speech and overthinking my inflated speech, talking too much and overthinking what I say)

I have Venus square Neptune and Uranus as my closest aspects and they don't make me gullible. In fact, I think that I attract gullible people.

Sun at 2 Taurus and Pluto conjunct Vertex at 27 Scorpio; sun and Pluto in opposing signs and too far to be conjunct, but still opposing energies show my propensity to be extreme in everything I do, including lying.

Venus in Aries, Mercury and Juno in Aries in my 10th. My relationships start and and end fast and since they're in my 10th, people see this fast energy about me. Fast energy with me equals lying. It's weird.

In one of my relationships I lied and said I had a job when I didn't. This guy's first name asteroid is conjunct my sun. My 2nd house is ruled by the sun and the 2nd house rules the throat/voice box. My 3rd house ruler of communication is Mercury and it's in fast-talking Aries in my 10th house. I think it was inevitable I'd lie to him (his name asteroid conjunct my sun) about my work (my 3rd house ruler is Mercury in the 10th house). That's just an example of how it's played out; that's a very specific way actually.

My Chiron trines Mercury (3rd house ruler). Some of the lies I've said have hurt myself in the end.

Jupiter in my 3rd house in Virgo inconjunct my 10th house Aries Mercury shows my propensity for not knowing when to shut my big mouth. I have a tendency to blow things out of proportion, talk too much and just try to double talk (I blame it on my dad who is an excellent salesman).

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posted March 05, 2017 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
People tell me I'm a compulsive liar. Here are the aspects in my chart that prove that:

Jupiter Rx in the 3rd in detriment in Virgo (inflated speech and overthinking my inflated speech, talking too much and overthinking what I say)

I have Venus square Neptune and Uranus as my closest aspects and they don't make me gullible. In fact, I think that I attract gullible people.

Sun at 2 Taurus and Pluto conjunct Vertex at 27 Scorpio; sun and Pluto in opposing signs and too far to be conjunct, but still opposing energies show my propensity to be extreme in everything I do, including lying.

Venus in Aries, Mercury and Juno in Aries in my 10th. My relationships start and and end fast and since they're in my 10th, people see this fast energy about me. Fast energy with me equals lying. It's weird.

In one of my relationships I lied and said I had a job when I didn't. This guy's first name asteroid is conjunct my sun. My 2nd house is ruled by the sun and the 2nd house rules the throat/voice box. My 3rd house ruler of communication is Mercury and it's in fast-talking Aries in my 10th house. I think it was inevitable I'd lie to him (his name asteroid conjunct my sun) about my work (my 3rd house ruler is Mercury in the 10th house). That's just an example of how it's played out; that's a very specific way actually.

My Chiron trines Mercury (3rd house ruler). Some of the lies I've said have hurt myself in the end.

Jupiter in my 3rd house in Virgo inconjunct my 10th house Aries Mercury shows my propensity for not knowing when to shut my big mouth. I have a tendency to blow things out of proportion, talk too much and just try to double talk (I blame it on my dad who is an excellent salesman).


Hmmmm, how do I know your telling the truth?

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Cappi112
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posted March 07, 2017 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cappi112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cap ex who was a full on sociopath and had two lives going on while he was with me (yet had me pretty convinced we were soulmates and he was a victim of all kinds of misunderstanding in life):

Cap Sun - the dark kind of Cap. Loved being above everyone else. Was always the coolest. Did hard drugs and would rave all night long. Power-hungry and would probably do anything to get ahead in his work. Obsessed with his money. ENORMOUS ego. I mean, the most narcissistic person I've ever met. He would literally say things to me like "I get hit on all the time. What... does that really surprise you?" And be serious. His sun was in his 2nd house. He could be really grounded and sensitive at times, but not nearly enough to balance out the aggressive/ egotistical side that just wrecked things at every turn.

Venus in Scorpio in his 12th house. I mean, look, I don't want to knock Venus in Scorpio because I know several women with this placement, especially on this site, who are amazing and powerful and use that energy for good.

In this case, it was not good. He had two other girlfriends while we dated. I mean... full -on, serious girlfriends. He skilfully hid us all from each other until he couldn't anymore and one of them emailed me. It sucked, and he acted shady AF sometimes which clued me in. I never had to go snooping - he would do things I just knew in my bones indicated he most likely had side girls.

Moon was afflicted. I think in this case, he had really effed-up ideas about emotions. Or, it simply showed his lack of empathy/ psychotic side. Like I said, he was legit sociopath. He was able to mirror things so that I felt compelled to believe he felt the same emotions/ love I did, but in the end there were way too many lies and manipulations in all of that.

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babybull82
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posted March 08, 2017 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
People tell me I'm a compulsive liar. Here are the aspects in my chart that prove that:

Jupiter Rx in the 3rd in detriment in Virgo (inflated speech and overthinking my inflated speech, talking too much and overthinking what I say)

I have Venus square Neptune and Uranus as my closest aspects and they don't make me gullible. In fact, I think that I attract gullible people.

Sun at 2 Taurus and Pluto conjunct Vertex at 27 Scorpio; sun and Pluto in opposing signs and too far to be conjunct, but still opposing energies show my propensity to be extreme in everything I do, including lying.

Venus in Aries, Mercury and Juno in Aries in my 10th. My relationships start and and end fast and since they're in my 10th, people see this fast energy about me. Fast energy with me equals lying. It's weird.

In one of my relationships I lied and said I had a job when I didn't. This guy's first name asteroid is conjunct my sun. My 2nd house is ruled by the sun and the 2nd house rules the throat/voice box. My 3rd house ruler of communication is Mercury and it's in fast-talking Aries in my 10th house. I think it was inevitable I'd lie to him (his name asteroid conjunct my sun) about my work (my 3rd house ruler is Mercury in the 10th house). That's just an example of how it's played out; that's a very specific way actually.

My Chiron trines Mercury (3rd house ruler). Some of the lies I've said have hurt myself in the end.

Jupiter in my 3rd house in Virgo inconjunct my 10th house Aries Mercury shows my propensity for not knowing when to shut my big mouth. I have a tendency to blow things out of proportion, talk too much and just try to double talk (I blame it on my dad who is an excellent salesman).


Hmm, yea I can't stand Mercury Aries people, forever putting their foot in their mouths ugh.

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crystal_clear
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posted March 08, 2017 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crystal_clear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the top of my head, Pluto conjunct ASC or in the 1st house.

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