posted November 25, 2011 05:28 AM            

Okay, I have never liked nice guys. I like arrogant men who have an "eh, leave me alone" vibe. I need that "edge". I am friends with the nice guys and nothing more...

I am usually standing behind these boyfriends mouthing the words "no!", "sorry" or "he's kidding!" after he mocks or is rude to someone else who might not understand where he is coming from...

I like that they are nice to me though, that is all that matters. They can be jerks to the world, as long as they are nice to me(and their families, I don't like total monsters) then it is all good. I like that they show me that other side. Although, I do like to be on the receiving end of a little sarcasm and some (cute) mocking.

What I have noticed is that my Capricorn and Leo exes are flirts who can say rude things to women and the women eat it up. They are so good looking and have sort of an, I don't know, evil charm, that they usually get away with it.

I don't know if it is about liking mean guys as much as it is about my liking to be the nice, sweet, “angel” of the relationship. I mean I am the type of person who says "yay!" - without being sarcastic - at least twice a day…Relatives teasingly call me “Smiley”…When I was 3 I created the word “Glappy” (glad and happy rolled into one)…In other words, I am super nice…

My (Taurus) ex was obviously not nice and he was even a little sneery with people. His facial expression always read "I am not amused". I said he was sweet one time and he was taken aback by that and said "uh, thank you for thinking I am ‘sweet’?" As if it was a question, lol. He obviously hadn't been told that in a while (or ever. He does have a pretty afflicted Venus, maybe it hardened him, poor baby)...

I mean they all have had great senses of humor, mostly dry and sarcastic (although the Leos were more on the silly side), so they didn't completely hate life, they just had that edge, that attitude...

Funny enough, they are usually the biggest babies who cannot get over break-ups. Or even, if I got mad or was in a bad mood then they became the begging type...

I want to hear some jerk boy stories! Who else likes the arrogant pricks? Or men, do you prefer b/witchy women? What aspects would point to this? Is it just the “opposites attract” thing for you or are you the same way?

posted November 25, 2011 05:55 AM            

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mostly dry and sarcastic

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i do find dry and sarcastic people funny.

it's my merc in aries opposing pluto in scorpio.

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oh noez lol! i wouldn't call them that. they were sweet to me but alot of people call my exes that word or find them unapproachable/ intimidating. IME virgo, cancer, leo can be abit cranky, moody, i dunno haughty. i guess some could lump all those under bitchy at times lol!

can't be opposites attract for me coz i have personal planets/ac in the sign opp and even square my taurus sun.

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Funny enough, they are usually the biggest babies who cannot get over break-ups. Or even, if I got mad or was in a bad mood then they became the begging type...

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aww lol well leos are fixed so they might take a longer moving on..

i think cap/ scorp placements for the dry and sarcastic..

posted November 25, 2011 06:13 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
oh noez lol! i wouldn't call them that. they were sweet to me but alot of people call my exes that word or find them unapproachable/ intimidating.

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You are right about that, there is kind of a double standard. I glorified arrogance in men yet used b!tchy for women. Well, I did say arrogant pricks!

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i think cap/ scorp placements for the dry and sarcastic...

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posted November 25, 2011 06:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
A guy I dated has Moon in Taurus trine Saturn and Venus in Capricorn trine 7th House Mars in Virgo. Leo DSC. I think he liked it when I kept giving him the cold shoulder at first. From the tone of his voice when the subject came up, he doesn't get turned on by nice or sweet girls. He likes divas. I think that's his Leo descendant's preference.

I love sweet innocent guys despite my Mars-Pluto square and Mars-Saturn trine. I have a Pisces DSC. So I guess the descendant is an indicator for preferred personality type in a partner.

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Good call Capriquarius - I have that Leo DSC and two of the Leos I dated have a Pisces DSC!

posted November 25, 2011 07:07 AM            

Well, that was the best thing I've ever heard

posted November 25, 2011 07:22 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Ok downtomars, then I guess the worst thing a guy could say to you about a past connection is "She used me for sex" ?

Well, that was the best thing I've ever heard

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posted November 25, 2011 08:24 AM            

1. Venus in Aries (a love of aggression)

2. AC in Aries (likes a battle as foreplay)

3. Venus square Mars (they just have a war against all things romantic & attract others who feel the same way)

4. A lack of fire signs in the natal chart (because when you are in an extreme of submissiveness - you can attract someone who is TOO assertive)

5. Lots of mutable placements (not much fixed or cardinal) - (because they want to be with someone who is strong minded and knows what he wants.. since they are often undecided)

Men who like bit*chy women:

1. Any placement in Aries (They just love to instigate and be instigated.... The Capricorn in me gags but I'm sure there are people out there who like this about them)

2. Mars square Mercury (They like a girl who is rude and tells it like it is.. They don't want to be with someone who is easily offended)

3. Mars square Venus (As their female counterparts - perhaps worse - they also have a war against everything romantic from valentines day to dating books & attract like-minded women)

4. Mars square Moon (They just need some friction to even feel 'in love')

5. Sometimes Leo placements (because they are playful and they like being teased, but they wouldn't like a full blown bit*ch)

6. Venus in Scorpio (as opposed to Leo ^ - they do like and attract full blown bit*ches or simply girls who end up hurting them badly whether intentionally or unintentionally)

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For the record - this is what puts me off most in a relationship/dating context. Any sign of arrogance - and I'm *out* lol
It's interesting that I feel this way since I do have an Aries Sun. But I really love and appreciate calm, peace and quiet (Pisces Merc/Taurus Venus/Cap Mars). I do not feel attracted to instigating people at all, not even slightly. When a guy like this is attracted to me, it makes me uncomfortable - I basically just avoid him. It's like a red flash light for me that say *immaturity* - *child looking for a mother to tell him off* - *extra responsibility you do not need* lol

If I ever ended up with a person who seems arrogant socially (as you described in the first post) - it would be a huge effort.. He'd have to have such positive, amazing qualities and personality traits - that I would somehow decide to put up with this flaw in his personality -- but it's very unlikely.

That being said- when it comes to friends or acquaintances.. I could befriend anyone. I actually have no standards LOL They can be rebellious or arrogant and what not. Nothing bothers me in friendship.. But if someone gets closer, they better not thread on my toes in any way.

posted November 25, 2011 08:29 AM            

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I do love people with a great sense of humour who also have an edge. This is kind of the way I see myself and I can click with people who are similar. But I don't see a guy or a girl like this - as an arrogant pri*ck.. just a confident person who knows who s/he is.

posted November 25, 2011 09:03 AM            

1. Venus in Aries (a love of aggression)

My Venus is in Leo, so both fire, I do enjoy aggression...

2. AC in Aries (likes a battle as foreplay)

My AC is in Aquarius...

3. Venus square Mars (they just have a war against all things romantic & attract others who feel the same way)

I don't have this aspect but I do have Moon square Venus. I wouldn't say I that have a war against or that my feelings go against all things romantic though. I just like the arrogant outward persona, not the rotting from within evil or criminal types.

The guys I date are actually quite romantic, and in traditional ways too (flowers, making dinner, planning trips)...

4. A lack of fire signs in the natal chart (because when you are in an extreme of submissiveness - you can attract someone who is TOO assertive)

My Sun, Mercury, Venus and Jupiter are in Leo, all in the 7th though, with Venus conjunct my DC...

5. Lots of mutable placements (not much fixed or cardinal) - (because they want to be with someone who is strong minded and knows what he wants.. since they are often undecided)

I have 2 planets in mutable signs, Saturn in Virgo (7th) and Sagittarius in Neptune (11th)...ETA: whoops, I forgot about Mars in Gemini (5th)...

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posted November 25, 2011 11:20 AM            

Cross swords with me at work and you're just dead. I will slay you and cut off your head and chop it up.

posted November 25, 2011 01:22 PM            

My current boyfriend is the nicest guy ever and I'm the ******* lol. But he secretly has an edge. He makes very crude jokes which I'm sure would shock his acquaintances ("I'm going to eat your period p*ssy 'til I get clown mouth"). He is a Cancer Sun, Virgo Moon, Gen Rising with Venus and Mars in Leo.

posted November 25, 2011 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by downtomars:
I guess I was inspired by the “mean” thread…

Okay, I have never liked nice guys. I like arrogant men who have an "eh, leave me alone" vibe. I need that "edge". I am friends with the nice guys and nothing more...

I am usually standing behind these boyfriends mouthing the words "no!", "sorry" or "he's kidding!" after he mocks or is rude to someone else who might not understand where he is coming from...

I like that they are nice to me though, that is all that matters. They can be jerks to the world, as long as they are nice to me(and their families, I don't like total monsters) then it is all good. I like that they show me that other side. Although, I do like to be on the receiving end of a little sarcasm and some (cute) mocking.

What I have noticed is that my Capricorn and Leo exes are flirts who can say rude things to women and the women eat it up. They are so good looking and have sort of an, I don't know, evil charm, that they usually get away with it.

I don't know if it is about liking mean guys as much as it is about my liking to be the nice, sweet, “angel” of the relationship. I mean I am the type of person who says "yay!" - without being sarcastic - at least twice a day…Relatives teasingly call me “Smiley”…When I was 3 I created the word “Glappy” (glad and happy rolled into one)…In other words, I am super nice…

My (Taurus) ex was obviously not nice and he was even a little sneery with people. His facial expression always read "I am not amused". I said he was sweet one time and he was taken aback by that and said "uh, thank you for thinking I am ‘sweet’?" As if it was a question, lol. He obviously hadn't been told that in a while (or ever. He does have a pretty afflicted Venus, maybe it hardened him, poor baby)...

I mean they all have had great senses of humor, mostly dry and sarcastic (although the Leos were more on the silly side), so they didn't completely hate life, they just had that edge, that attitude...

Funny enough, they are usually the biggest babies who cannot get over break-ups. Or even, if I got mad or was in a bad mood then they became the begging type...

I want to hear some jerk boy stories! Who else likes the arrogant pricks? Or men, do you prefer b/witchy women? What aspects would point to this? Is it just the “opposites attract” thing for you or are you the same way?

As for my chart, I have lots of stuff in the (what else? Leo ruled) 7th and Mars in the 5th but I need some more ideas about what I should look for...

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posted November 25, 2011 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Where do you draw the line between arrogance and confidence?

Cross swords with me at work and you're just dead. I will slay you and cut off your head and chop it up.

When I leave work, I change personalities totally.

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See, yeah, I love the "work monster"! I think maybe the line is: Do you keep the work personality going with the general public? Because with the men I date it is hard for them not to. Especially with the ones who work in and around NYC. With the impatience, fast pace, “evil charm” (someone please tell me the word I am looking for) it tends to spill over and that is, to me, when it becomes arrogance and I don’t think it is bad.

That is what I like. An “Alpha Male” I guess. But yes, these men were surprisingly sweet at home. Still with some gentle mocking, sarcasm and, no question, they are "in charge" but they have a "soft spot" for the girlfriend or the wife and his family (especially the mother in my experience).

That is the thing though, "surprisingly sweet", no one would really know this because they are not all around nice guys.

posted November 25, 2011 05:21 PM            

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My ex was like that. Very good looking but a total ******* . Took himself way too seriously, too. I hate guys that take themselves too seriously. He's a Pisces with a Leo Moon and Cancer Rising.

My current boyfriend is the nicest guy ever and I'm the ******* lol. But he secretly has an edge. He makes very crude jokes which I'm sure would shock his acquaintances ("I'm going to eat your period p*ssy 'til I get clown mouth"). He is a Cancer Sun, Virgo Moon, Gen Rising with Venus and Mars in Leo.

I've learned that I much prefer nice guys over dbags. Now, I din't like SIMPLE guys. You can be nuce without being completely pollyanna.

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Raunchiness is good and the Caps tend to get really dirty (and the Taurus was a big, pleasant surprise in that area because he seemed so straight-laced). See, with my Scorpio (Moon in Pisces) ex I thought I could deal with a nice guy with a hidden edge (because he would get pretty raunchy too) BUT...

I was with him when he was at the store requesting a price adjustment on something that didn't really qualify for it (different model numbers or something). Okay, he turned into Ross from Friends. He was whiny, nervous and didn't get anything accomplished. I was embarrassed; the guy who worked at the store was more aggressive than he was! He was even trying to get my attention in front of my boyfriend! And the Scorpio was a more physically imposing man! I didn't even want to sleep with him after witnessing that. (Whoa, Bio lesson in a jar!)

If I slot any other ex into this scenario it would have ended with the guy who worked there, or even a manager, "sir"-ing him to death and apologizing for the inconvenience. Heck, if I put myself into the scenario I could have charmed the adjustment out of him (yes, I use the Venus DSC and Moon in Libra sometimes, no shame in my game)!

posted November 25, 2011 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
You and I have a lot of similar chart placements, but you're pretty much alone on this one lmao.

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posted November 25, 2011 07:37 PM            

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Originally posted by downtomars:
See, yeah, I love the "work monster"! I think maybe the line is: Do you keep the work personality going with the general public? Because with the men I date it is hard for them not to. Especially with the ones who work in and around NYC.

That is what I like. An “Alpha Male” I guess.

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posted November 25, 2011 08:37 PM            

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4. Mars square Moon (They just need some friction to even feel 'in love')

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posted November 25, 2011 08:39 PM            

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My ex was like that. Very good looking but a total ******* . Took himself way too seriously, too. I hate guys that take themselves too seriously. He's a Pisces with a Leo Moon and Cancer Rising.

My current boyfriend is the nicest guy ever and I'm the ******* lol. But he secretly has an edge. He makes very crude jokes which I'm sure would shock his acquaintances ("I'm going to eat your period p*ssy 'til I get clown mouth"). He is a Cancer Sun, Virgo Moon, Gen Rising with Venus and Mars in Leo.

I've learned that I much prefer nice guys over dbags. Now, I din't like SIMPLE guys. You can be nuce without being completely pollyanna.

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Urgh seriously? There's raunchy, and then there's that comment up there ^
I'd be completely turned off by sb like that.

posted November 26, 2011 12:13 PM            

Not sure why I like guys like that...I have a lot of water and fire in my chart so maybe I need that cool detachment and "i dont give a f*ck" attitude to reel me in..

posted November 26, 2011 01:14 PM            

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Urgh seriously? There's raunchy, and then there's that comment up there ^
I'd be completely turned off by sb like that.

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