posted November 26, 2011 06:19 PM            

The issue is when birth is declared for Caesarean Sections. Does birth occur at the time of incision of the abdomen, or the incision of the uterus or the moment the baby is removed from the uterus or the time of the severing of the Fallopian Tube?

This is of tremendous significance to me because I'm trying to ascertain my correct birth time.

I had a prolonged philosophical discussion with my father on the phone literally half the world away about when birth is declared.

He was massively insulted when I questioned my birth certificate birth time. I was a caesaran baby because of birth complications. I was enormous at 11 lbs. 8 oz., and my mom was a petite 5'2" woman. I was also breeched. My mom wasn't diabetic. I was 41 and a half weeks in utero. Regular birth would have been extremely dangerous and likely fatal for both mother and child.

My dad likes to believe that he bought the best medicine that money could buy in East Asia. The obstetrician and supervising surgeon were his friends. He keeps reminding me that they were Cambridge and Harvard trained.

Anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that they recorded birth time not at the moment the baby was removed from the uterus, but at the commencement of the surgery.

posted November 26, 2011 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
When baby cries,first breath outside mother's body.

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posted November 26, 2011 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
I wish I understood this better myself, as my only child is a c-setion and I have been doing charts for 15 yrs. But I would say that babys first breath sounds reasonable to me, tho I still am unsure as this would not be babys time or even DAY of birth if the pregnancy had been allowed to continue without medical interuption. ????

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posted November 26, 2011 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
When baby cries,first breath outside mother's body.

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posted November 26, 2011 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
I wish I understood this better myself, as my only child is a c-setion and I have been doing charts for 15 yrs. But I would say that babys first breath sounds reasonable to me, tho I still am unsure as this would not be babys time or even DAY of birth if the pregnancy had been allowed to continue without medical interuption. ????

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posted November 26, 2011 07:22 PM            

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Originally posted by appleberry:
Sounds like, without medical intervention, you wouldn't have existed at all...

I have ever only heard first breath as birth time...

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posted November 26, 2011 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
I would agree with this.
Regardless of the method, the first breath is really the moment when you were really born into this world.

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posted November 26, 2011 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Please help me dicipher its impact on Astrology.

The issue is when birth is declared for Caesarean Sections. Does birth occur at the time of incision of the abdomen, or the incision of the uterus or the moment the baby is removed from the uterus or the time of the severing of the Fallopian Tube?

This is of tremendous significance to me because I'm trying to ascertain my correct birth time.

I had a prolonged philosophical discussion with my father on the phone literally half the world away about when birth is declared.

He was massively insulted when I questioned my birth certificate birth time. I was a caesaran baby because of birth complications. I was enormous at 11 lbs. 8 oz., and my mom was a petite 5'2" woman. I was also breeched. My mom wasn't diabetic. I was 41 and a half weeks in utero. Regular birth would have been extremely dangerous and likely fatal for both mother and child.

My dad likes to believe that he bought the best medicine that money could buy in East Asia. The obstetrician and supervising surgeon were his friends. He keeps reminding me that they were Cambridge and Harvard trained.

Anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that they recorded birth time not at the moment the baby was removed from the uterus, but at the commencement of the surgery.

Thanks.

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Really, this isn't any different than the birth time debate about standard, v.aginal births "Is the actual time of birth when the head first appears, or the first breath, or the first cry?"

Honestly my feeling on it is this - we'll never be able to all agree and come to a definitive answer on that question. And never know for sure what the 'right' answer is. I just know that for whatever reasons, my chart seems to fit me to a tee with the time that they put on my birth certificate, so I go with that and don't really obsess over it.

posted November 26, 2011 07:36 PM            

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posted November 26, 2011 11:46 PM            

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Originally posted by frankie2912:
What kind of time window are we looking at here? I know nothing about how long birthing takes, whether vaginally or c-section...

if it's within 10 minutes or something, shouldnt your ASC & Moon be the same? i know a few minutes doesn't always make that much of a difference.

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A regular C-section has a typical time window of 30 minutes from surgical commencement.

An emergency C-section with complications could stretch into well into two hours or more. It can havd a tremendous impact on one's Ascendant.