posted November 28, 2011 08:35 PM            

My boyfriend has this aspect..and to an extent he is very serious when he IS serious about something. There are times where things aren't going the way he expects it to go and he kind of goes into a super "down" time...and sometimes when I ask him what's bothering him or what's the issue, he honestly cannot pinpoint exactly what it is.

I guess that's when I have to step in and "light up his life"

He is very good at keeping things "light" on the surface, I needed to pay extra close attention to realize that something's not right and that something is definitely bothering him.

His sun conjunct saturn/pluto in his 12th house in Scorpio.

posted November 28, 2011 08:38 PM            

"Saturn was in the twelfth house at the time of birth. This planet may place many unpleasant and annoying obstacles in your life, and intensify the feelings you have about the limitations of your environment.
Your professional honor affects your feelings very much and you are well satisfied when things go well. Destiny may have to teach you to tell the difference between fact and fantasy more clearly.
Certain complexes nest in your subconscious and show up in your mind as hypersensitivity, wanting to be alone and to do things by yourself so no one will know how you feel. You need a bit of humor and self-confidence."

"The Sun was in your twelfth house at the time of birth. This may indicate a life full of limitations, obstacles, and human opposition, but at the same time a lot of inner strength and energy.
You are urged to pause and reflect upon your own accumulated history. Take some time for introspection. It may result in a purification process accompanied by some remorse of conscience.
Internally, you are quite different from the way you present yourself externally. You possess a vast reservoir of energy that may be partially hidden even from your own awareness.
Your internal disposition is strong, commanding, open, and of a rare generosity. More and more you should try to bring these characteristics into the open so that they can overcome some of the less desirable aspects of your personality."

posted November 28, 2011 08:54 PM            

I agree with the seriousness although it has to do my with Saturn in house 1 conjunct ascnendant in Aquarius... in more serious towards myself. I take matters towards myself very seriously... like being ridiculed judged anything - anything towards myself I take seriously, any act any speech directed to me I take seriously not in the moment but it creeps back in which I ponder and ponder and cannot let it go. Moon in Pisces house 1 also emphasizes it... I'm very hard and critical towards myself, majority of the time I need others to point out to me that my self-talking is not healthy Because I am highly critical of myself especially in matters where most people would just let go of.. mercury in aquarius in house 1 also emphasizes that aspect.

posted November 28, 2011 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
I don't have Saturn conjunct sun as an aspect in my natal chart but it's there as I have sun and Saturn both in Aquarius and if it can conjunct my Ascendant (saturn) then I'm sure it can conjuct all my many other Aquarius placements..

I agree with the seriousness although it has to do my with Saturn in house 1 conjunct ascnendant in Aquarius... in more serious towards myself. I take matters towards myself very seriously... like being ridiculed judged anything - anything towards myself I take seriously, any act any speech directed to me I take seriously not in the moment but it creeps back in which I ponder and ponder and cannot let it go. Moon in Pisces house 1 also emphasizes it... I'm very hard and critical towards myself, majority of the time I need others to point out to me that my self-talking is not healthy Because I am highly critical of myself especially in matters where most people would just let go of.. mercury in aquarius in house 1 also emphasizes that aspect.

I'm highly critical of myself, sensitive about myself, need to feel secure I need others to accept me, I need people to sometimes praise my beauty to feel secure too.. or else the self-negative talk kinda creeps in.. Venus in house 1 as well. I doubt my abilities. need others to point it out to me even then I'm too shy to actually consider what they say... I grew up being very very thin got made fun of for that - I read Saturn in house 1 would contribute to being sickly thin? idk! - basically conjunct my ASC.. if others don't accept me, especially my appearance I almost can't function I got into a mild state of depression.. sounds messy but these are matters I don't share with others/keep it to myself. most of all I believe all of this is normal, but I'm working on it. I've had to work a lot in terms of my personality.. I was withdrawn/social mostly withdrawn and introverted (still am introverted, but a lot more social) I don't know how to really connect with others that's a major concept I'm grasping and working with. self esteem issues was a major thing for me growin up very very depressed as a child... grew up too fast.

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Wow, you sound a lot like my boyfriend. He doesn't like "big crowds" of people, he usually sticks to his small group of friends..and by small I'd say no more than 4. At work he's not really a guy that's out there/everywhere/all over the place like me (Me Libra, Him Scorpio). He definitely TRIES to become more social, and he does have his humor but even with that, people would probably still feel he is somewhat "reserved". But with him he has a huge problem with expressing himself...blame it on the sun conjunct saturn and air void in his chart.

I try my best to make him laugh and smile and feel more "free" or else he'll be boggled down...heavily.

posted November 28, 2011 09:08 PM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
Oh and self-expression is a HARD thing for me.. im learning though.. I always felt like I didn't matter... kept my true feelings and thoughts to myself. and when someone would confront me to open mysel up and express myself I always felt tongue-tied and experienced mild anxiety attacks Lol!

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Yea..that is a HUGE thing. When I confront my bf with what's bothering him, his best answer is "I don't know"...like...literally.

He would take 2 minutes to try and think...but it'd just end up in silence. I can feel it but he can't get it out of himself and sometimes feels "pressured" by me. That's when I have to back off.

And the thing is...I want to help him, and I want him to be able to open up to me....I guess it's just difficult for the saturn/sun/asc people. Therefore, I am willing to be patient and take babysteps with you guys

posted November 28, 2011 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by moonpie:
Sun conjunct Saturn is a little worrying but the opposition would be far worse imo. Mars square Saturn or Uranus gives me the chills.

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I have Mars square Saturn.

Along with Mars square Jupiter.

And Mars square Pluto.

And Kaali quintile Mars.

I actually think I have Mars semi-square Uranus, too. OH NOES!!! *dramatic music here*

Ooooh, scary scary....*cackles evilly*.

Honestly, I don't really buy that there's any aspects that should make a person's blood runs cold or that dooms them in anyway - it's all about how that person chooses to use that energy. Not all Mars-Saturn people are monsters (well I CAN be, but only if provoked and its justified, for which I make absolutely no apologies). And actually some of the more so-called 'soft', 'gentle' aspects actually tend to be *more* prevalent in the charts of criminals and predatory people than a lot of the so-called scary aspects. Which, if you think about it, makes sense - to be able to pull the wool over a bunch of people's eyes and fool them, get them to do what you want them to do, or commit crimes and get away with it, or make people believe you're innocent when you're not, it takes easy, congenial, friendly aspects to smooth the way and pull that off - basically, to make you a better con-man.

I thank God for my Mars-Saturn square, my Mars-Pluto and my Mars-Jupiter because honestly, in general I have a 'victim's chart', and that's played itself out a lot in various ways during the course of my life, people trying to prey on me, so on and so forth...and really my only saving grace has been those 'nasty, scary' aspects that give me some b*lls so that I can defend and protect myself. Otherwise, to be honest, I'd be s.crewed.

My...apparently, terrifying...chart. LOOOOL

posted November 29, 2011 03:12 PM            

No soft aspects whatsoever.

It's a wonder I'm still sane.

posted December 10, 2011 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by malicefey:
Taken from Astro.com:

"Saturn was in the twelfth house at the time of birth. This planet may place many unpleasant and annoying obstacles in your life, and intensify the feelings you have about the limitations of your environment.
Your professional honor affects your feelings very much and you are well satisfied when things go well. Destiny may have to teach you to tell the difference between fact and fantasy more clearly.
Certain complexes nest in your subconscious and show up in your mind as hypersensitivity, wanting to be alone and to do things by yourself so no one will know how you feel. You need a bit of humor and self-confidence."

"The Sun was in your twelfth house at the time of birth. This may indicate a life full of limitations, obstacles, and human opposition, but at the same time a lot of inner strength and energy.
You are urged to pause and reflect upon your own accumulated history. Take some time for introspection. It may result in a purification process accompanied by some remorse of conscience.
Internally, you are quite different from the way you present yourself externally. You possess a vast reservoir of energy that may be partially hidden even from your own awareness.
Your internal disposition is strong, commanding, open, and of a rare generosity. More and more you should try to bring these characteristics into the open so that they can overcome some of the less desirable aspects of your personality."

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I have saturn in the 12th house. it was only very bad when going through saturn return.

posted December 11, 2011 07:23 AM            

Moon-Pluto in the 8th in Libra, must be a bit contradicting, the intensity and depth versus fairness, beauty and harmony. Very intriguing. And Jupiter-Saturn in there too, very deep.

Seems like relationships play a huge part in your life, a very significant one. You may scare people off with the intensity, unless you hide it. I would say you are a very loyal and devoted person, and you definitely don't take anyone's crap. Very focused, you know what you want and how to get it.

Very interesting chart.

Now about the "worst" Saturn afflictions, I think everyone experiences them differently depending on the rest of the chart.
A Sun-Saturn conjunction in Scorpio in the 12th is very different from a Sun-Saturn conjunction in Sagittarius in the 10th. They still share the same characteristics but one is definitely "harder" than the other, being in a water sign and house.
So it really depends on the chart.

However, I would say squares and oppositions to Sun, Mars and Pluto are the hardest.
When Saturn is in a hard aspect to the Sun, it's the ego itself that suffers, the Self that is afflicted. It can therefore destroy someone's sense of self, or make it grow and build a healthy, strong individuality. It certainly gives a serious approach to life and can limit someone's expressiviness, however it can also give ambition, perseverance and a practical, realistic approach to things.

When Saturn is in a hard aspect to Mars, well, we all understand what it means. Mars wants action, Saturn restricts. Frustration and anger, and further bitterness and hate are common. Obstacles seem to come out of nowhere, and whatever the person wants, they have to work hard to get it. Things often seem out of reach, as if something is preventing the realisation of one's goals. Very, very hard aspect to have. It requires a lot of maturity, patience and acceptance to overcome it. Energy levels can fluctuate between apathy and aggression, action and numbness. When the energy is chanelled into more positive outcomes, it gives perseverance, and a real possibilty to reach one's goals.

Now Pluto-Saturn. Transformation vs restriction. Similar to Mars-Saturn but on a deeper level, psychological level. Makes it especially hard to overcome psychological problems, one seems stuck in his own psyche, prisoner of his own barriers. Can probably lead to cruelty, bitterness and hatred, especially if other aspects support it.
When chanelled can make someone very strong, determined and basically unbreakable, life's challenges are met and dealt with in a calm, wise manner.

I think Saturn-Venus/Moon aspects are easier to deal with simply because Saturn and Moon are natural partners (Capricorn-Cancer axis) and can therefore be worked out easier. Saturn is exalted in Libra, ruled by Venus, therefore Saturn-Venus can also be worked out without too many problems. They are definitely not easy, but the key to overcoming them is to accept oneself and love oneself, and learn to give and receive love.

I don't know much about Saturn-Uranus/Neptune aspects, I'd think they may be hard to deal with but since they are generational aspects, they wouldn't be crucial in someone's psychological make-up, unless one or the other planets are important in the chart (chart's ruler, Sun's despositor, etc.). Same basically goes for Pluto, Saturn or Pluto has to be somewhat prominent for the effects to be felt strongly.

posted December 11, 2011 04:20 PM            

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posted December 12, 2011 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by appleberry:
I have Saturn conjunct MC, square Sun/DC, which also makes it square AC/Pluto, opposite IC... every area of my life is highly restricted by Saturn and it's pretty obvious. It alone makes success in any area of life impossible... and it has been that way for me.

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What exactly have you been restricted from? if you don't mind me asking.
I personally seen it to be quite common for celebrities to have a harsh aspects to saturn. Such as Tyra banks (moon square saturn / saturn square pluto / saturn opposite NN), Beyonce (sun inconjunct saturn / moon semi-square saturn), Lady gaga (venus semi-square saturn / jupiter square saturn / although she has a sun trine saturn) Michael Jackson had (moon square saturn with a wide orb / mars inconjunct saturn / saturn semi-square ascendant)

posted December 12, 2011 01:53 AM            

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Originally posted by appleberry:
I have Saturn conjunct MC, square Sun/DC, which also makes it square AC/Pluto, opposite IC... every area of my life is highly restricted by Saturn and it's pretty obvious. It alone makes success in any area of life impossible... and it has been that way for me.

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