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amelia28
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posted November 29, 2011 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Should I even consider this aspect in natal, composite or synastry?

What is your take on it?

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posted November 29, 2011 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi amelia, I use them in Natals if they are exact.
They're a special little charm all their own. (all deciles)

http://www.aquariuspapers.com/astrology/2007/01/quintile_tredec.html


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It represents a high degree of specialized force or form, something unique brought forth, transformed out of the generic materials. Thus it shows a point of high individualization, a unique stage of development, or a talent or gift recognized and/or articulated.

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posted November 29, 2011 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi amelia, I use them in Natals if they are exact.
They're a special little charm of their own. (all deciles)

http://www.aquariuspapers.com/astrology/2007/01/quintile_tredec.html




Thank you very much lalalinda!

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posted December 01, 2011 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
Should I even consider this aspect in natal, composite or synastry?

What is your take on it?


Yes, it is very significant - natally first. It is a benefic aspect and can help in relational dynamics.

The Quintile series of aspects are not 'minor' if they are reinforced - involved in a Grand Quintile (72 base + 144 side +144 side) or have multiple planets at one spot.
These aspects relate to talent in the mundane or outward sense. A strong Q/BQ if reinforced can be just as powerful as sextiles/trines.

Using the 'blank' horoscope as a template think of the Quintile 72* aspect relating to the Asc from the 3rd house area (12 degrees past mean cusp of 60*), or from the 10th house area: Mercurial/communicative energy stabilized/focused/made productive with Saturnine/substantive aspiration.

The 144* BiQuntile can be seen as operating from the 5th and 8th house areas: Sun-Pluto.

This is one way to see the underlying dynamics behind aspects without relying on harmonics theory, which is statistically based from vague group patterns.

Another way to view this Quintile series is that it results from diving the zodiac/sky by 5. 5 is an interesting number and repeats itself in nature a lot. 72* is the space between the conjunctions made by Sun and Venus as they move through the sky. Such points create a pentagram in the sky, of course. Pentagrams illustrate Spirit (1) filling/enlivening (2) Fire (3) Air (4) Earth (5) Water.

It is my view that the Quintile series relates to the developed capacity (in past lifetimes generally) to apply the dynamics of nature creatively. This generally means more creative and spiritual leanings pointing to more previous incarnations the more you see such configurations (of multiple coordinated Q/BQ aspects).

Some interesting charts with noticeable Q/BQ configurations: Pope John Paul II, Edgar Cayce, Einstein, and me

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posted December 01, 2011 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It represents a high degree of specialized force or form, something unique brought forth, transformed out of the generic materials. Thus it shows a point of high individualization, a unique stage of development, or a talent or gift recognized and/or articulated.

That's a pretty good summary in my view, very compatible with my own concept -- and more concise

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posted December 01, 2011 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
Should I even consider this aspect in natal, composite or synastry?

What is your take on it?


They're significant, just not to the extent of the basic chart aspects. A lot of times people ignore quintiles and biquintiles, when they shouldn't.

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posted December 01, 2011 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Kannon McAfee! Welcome to LL

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Hi. I have an interest in astrology that began in 1984, mainly because I have an identical twin brother and we are completely different - like chalk and cheese.

We were born only 25 minutes apart but this makes it that my twin has a leo Ascendant of 27degreess and I have a virgo ascendant of 0.32degrees.

I am a fitness fanatic, health concious type of person and have even written a book to help other people live better and become happier - but my brother has only managed to became a drug addict, adictive smoker of 40+ a day and quite old before his time.

I have always thought that our different ascendants were the main reason for our differences until today.

Today I checked my astrology chart once again (I've probably looked at it a million times) concentrating on my closest aspects and I noticed one that I have always disregarded/ignored/overlooked becuase it just seemed so minor --- = I have a Moon biquintile Ascendant which is 0.07degrees apart.

When I surfed the internet and found pages (like this one) about this aspect I realised that although minor this could be quite big for me, much more than I ever thought before - this aspect could well be a major difference between my brother and myself.

Ive always regarded my moon as unaspected and a problem area for me. Is it possible that such a minor aspect between my moon and ascendant could actually be my main driving force in life???

Everthing that I have read about this aspect sounds like me!!!...

I also have an interesting retrograde mercury conjunct my sun with good aspects to Jupiter and mars.

Also interesting is that my brothers ruling planet is the sun and mine is mercury.

The retrograde mercury I have in my 12th house makes a lot of sense to me: I definitely view the world differently to most people and am a deep thinker (I can be quite insightful), it's explaining to people through speech (I seem to have a blockeage there) which has always been very difficult for me, only through writing can I can fully explain myself.

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posted December 10, 2011 05:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nigemoonman:
Hi. I have an interest in astrology that began in 1984, mainly because I have an identical twin brother and we are completely different - like chalk and cheese.

We were born only 25 minutes apart but this makes it that my twin has a leo Ascendant of 27degreess and I have a virgo ascendant of 0.32degrees.

I am a fitness fanatic, health concious type of person and have even written a book to help other people live better and become happier - but my brother has only managed to became a drug addict, adictive smoker of 40+ a day and quite old before his time.

I have always thought that our different ascendants were the main reason for our differences until today.

Today I checked my astrology chart once again (I've probably looked at it a million times) concentrating on my closest aspects and I noticed one that I have always disregarded/ignored/overlooked becuase it just seemed so minor --- = I have a Moon biquintile Ascendant which is 0.07degrees apart.

When I surfed the internet and found pages (like this one) about this aspect I realised that although minor this could be quite big for me, much more than I ever thought before - this aspect could well be a major difference between my brother and myself.

Ive always regarded my moon as unaspected and a problem area for me. Is it possible that such a minor aspect between my moon and ascendant could actually be my main driving force in life???

Everthing that I have read about this aspect sounds like me!!!...

For anyone interested I was born in Swansea, Wales, Uk, on the 16th of August 1965 at 6:50am.

I also have an interesting retrograde mercury conjunct my sun with good aspects to Jupiter and mars.

Also interesting is that my brothers ruling planet is the sun and mine is mercury.

The retrograde mercury I have in my 12th house makes a lot of sense to me: I definitely view the world differently to most people and am a deep thinker (I can be quite insightful), it's explaining to people through speech (I seem to have a blockeage there) which has always been very difficult for me, only through writing can I can fully explain myself.


Wow, thanks very much for this post!
It truly helps make a case about astrology in the case of twins. Also explains that even lesser aspects can make a difference when all else remains equal. Thanks for sharing you're first-hand experience and observations!

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posted December 10, 2011 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nigemoonman:
Hi. I have an interest in astrology that began in 1984, mainly because I have an identical twin brother and we are completely different - like chalk and cheese.

We were born only 25 minutes apart but this makes it that my twin has a leo Ascendant of 27degreess and I have a virgo ascendant of 0.32degrees.

I am a fitness fanatic, health concious type of person and have even written a book to help other people live better and become happier - but my brother has only managed to became a drug addict, adictive smoker of 40+ a day and quite old before his time.

I have always thought that our different ascendants were the main reason for our differences until today.

Today I checked my astrology chart once again (I've probably looked at it a million times) concentrating on my closest aspects and I noticed one that I have always disregarded/ignored/overlooked becuase it just seemed so minor --- = I have a Moon biquintile Ascendant which is 0.07degrees apart.

When I surfed the internet and found pages (like this one) about this aspect I realised that although minor this could be quite big for me, much more than I ever thought before - this aspect could well be a major difference between my brother and myself.

Ive always regarded my moon as unaspected and a problem area for me. Is it possible that such a minor aspect between my moon and ascendant could actually be my main driving force in life???

Everthing that I have read about this aspect sounds like me!!!...

For anyone interested I was born in Swansea, Wales, Uk, on the 16th of August 1965 at 6:50am.

I also have an interesting retrograde mercury conjunct my sun with good aspects to Jupiter and mars.

Also interesting is that my brothers ruling planet is the sun and mine is mercury.

The retrograde mercury I have in my 12th house makes a lot of sense to me: I definitely view the world differently to most people and am a deep thinker (I can be quite insightful), it's explaining to people through speech (I seem to have a blockeage there) which has always been very difficult for me, only through writing can I can fully explain myself.


Very cool! I would especially like to know how your relationships with your mother effect your individual self images.

"Quintiles are measured from plus or minus seventy-two degrees. Bi- quintiles are measured from plus or minus one hundred and forty four degrees which is one or two fifths of a circle. When planets are quintile or bi-quintile this is an indication of uncommon creative energy and talent. They are trend-setters and need an audience. The energy here is specialized and purposely striving toward power. Quintile and bi-quintile energy can be romantic, playful and demonstrative. The quintile family of aspects can indicate science, math and engineering. There's a need to make things happen. Cosmic will seems to be at play here, so if creative things aren't happening, then look for destruction. Quintiles and bi-quintiles bring a certain dignity, clarity, pride and unusual sexual energy. A quintile resonates with the Sun, Fixed, Fire and Leo energy."
http://www.adze.com/Classroom/aspects.html

When reading for twins I also make a point to compare their Duads. Those often tell a lot about their interactions with each other's shared planets and often explains a lot about how they end up taking on different manifestations of similar planets.

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posted December 10, 2011 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honestly, I think it's the Virgo ascendant that's doing it - a lot of people with something important in Virgo or a lot of planets in the sign, are health-food nuts and preoccupied with health and their bodies.

My younger sister has a Virgo ascendant and has gone through a few 'soymilk, whole-grains ONLY' type phases.

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posted September 03, 2014 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an old question but I felt the need to respond, because Ive read some interpretations for biquintile aspects in my natal chart and they brought me to tears they were so accurate about things I had always felt but never had the words to describe... So, I'd say they're pretty important...

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posted September 03, 2014 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Supreme cT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an exact biquintile between mars and venus whats the difference from a biquintil and quintile lol

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posted September 03, 2014 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Supreme cT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, it is very significant - natally first. It is a benefic aspect and can help in relational dynamics.

The Quintile series of aspects are not 'minor' if they are reinforced - involved in a Grand Quintile (72 base + 144 side +144 side) or have multiple planets at one spot.
These aspects relate to talent in the mundane or outward sense. A strong Q/BQ if reinforced can be just as powerful as sextiles/trines.

Using the 'blank' horoscope as a template think of the Quintile 72* aspect relating to the Asc from the 3rd house area (12 degrees past mean cusp of 60*), or from the 10th house area: Mercurial/communicative energy stabilized/focused/made productive with Saturnine/substantive aspiration.

The 144* BiQuntile can be seen as operating from the 5th and 8th house areas: Sun-Pluto.

This is one way to see the underlying dynamics behind aspects without relying on harmonics theory, which is statistically based from vague group patterns.

Another way to view this Quintile series is that it results from diving the zodiac/sky by 5. 5 is an interesting number and repeats itself in nature a lot. 72* is the space between the conjunctions made by Sun and Venus as they move through the sky. Such points create a pentagram in the sky, of course. Pentagrams illustrate Spirit (1) filling/enlivening (2) Fire (3) Air (4) Earth (5) Water.

It is my view that the Quintile series relates to the developed capacity (in past lifetimes generally) to apply the dynamics of nature creatively. This generally means more creative and spiritual leanings pointing to more previous incarnations the more you see such configurations (of multiple coordinated Q/BQ aspects).

Some interesting charts with noticeable Q/BQ configurations: Pope John Paul II, Edgar Cayce, Einstein, and me


Do i have a grand quintile? My mars quintiles jupiter, my venus quintiles jupiter and my venus biquintiles my mars

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posted September 04, 2014 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
supreme CT - I'd really need to see the chart to answer with confidence.

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its not a quintile yod, and i'd consider a grand quintile to have the whole 5 pointed star, he has 3 points of the 5 pointed star

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posted September 04, 2014 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Supreme cT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
supreme CT - I'd really need to see the chart to answer with confidence.


Ok here you go

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posted September 04, 2014 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluejay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can definitely relate to the creativity that comes with these aspects. I have...

Venus quintile Mars
Venus quintile Neptune
Saturn quintile Mars
^My Sun is on the midpoint of all of these
Neptune biquintile Chiron

I have always been creative and artistic, and growing up I danced for 9 years. I'm an interior designer by profession, and as a hobby I love metalsmithing and jewelry design. I also have 5 planets in Libra, so that helps too. Without a creative outlet of some kind, life feels meaningless to me. I still take art classes periodically just for fun.

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Yes!! I love any thread on quintiles, I have a good many of them, and somewhat of a grand quintile if BML is included. My merc and venus quintiles are a bit loose (less than 2 deg) but I still feel them, especially my venus quintiles and I'm guessing its because my venus has no major aspects/unaspected.

Moon bi-quintile Mars
Moon quintile Mercury
Moon bi-quintile North Node
Moon quintile Lilith
Mercury quintile Mars
Venus bi-quintile Uranus
Venus bi-quintile Ascendant
Mars quintile North Node
Mars bi-quintile Lilith
Neptune quintile Midheaven

Anyone would tell you there's definitely something unique about me. I've been an artist since the womb and an affinity for science and technology. I can create anything out of anything, and that's the truth (challenge me!).
I also think quintiles in synastry are amazing and are one of my favorite synastry aspects especially between personal planets esp the moon.

Nigemoonman - Love that you have a twin and notice your differences through astrology, i've always wanted to do twin chart analysis but I don't know enough of them.

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posted September 05, 2014 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReeseC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Moon biquintile Saturn exact
Sun biquintile Neptune exact
MC biquintile Neptune exact
DC biquintile SN exact
Mars quintile MC exact
Mars quintile Sun exact
Moon quintile Pluto exact
Venus quintile Jupiter exact
SN quintile Sun (1 degree)
NN biquintile ASC(1 degree)
IC biquintile Venus(4 degrees)

While I agree that the can represent talent, most of mine have manifested more in personality and life phase development than anything; I have a highly optimistic nature about things, and I'm a firm believer in things turning around for the better; it is in that line of thinking that I have made damn near impossible things happen for myself. In my opinion, they show evolution and progress, as well as talent. I can also feel them in synastry oddly enough, like they aid in chemistry for me. I bring something to the table.

Mentioning talent and the arts, I have found that I'm pretty creative. I can pick up on new art forms pretty easily, and I've always been in lnvolved with something creative.

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I'm sorry but can someone PLEASE explain to me the actual meaning of all of those minor aspects? I've never seen the significance of any of them, no offense to anyone.

The only aspects that exist to me are the conjunction, opposition, square, sextile, and trine and, depending on the planets, the quincunx.

Otherwise, what's the meaning of it all? It seems like BS and like it's just diluting the meaning of astrology. Because, in that case, then almost everyone could have a Moon-Mercury aspect or whatever. And it often sounds like wishful thinking or something. Or someone just mistaking another placement in their chart for their Moon quintile Mercury placement.

To me, all the major aspects make sense:
conjunction - combination of the planets
square - tension between the planets
opposition - planets at total odds
sextile and trine - ease between planets
quincunx - imbalance between planets

That's why they make sense to me and it makes sense how they instill the aspect in someone's temperament. But, biquintile, septile? I don't understand it. Not going on the attack or anything. I've just been studying astrology for nearly seven years and that stuff still confuses me.

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It has not been my (admittedly somewhat limited) experience that using some or all of the minor aspects results in diluting anything or in forming aspects between every planet pair. Especially when one keeps the orbs nice and tight.

I find the biquintile and quintile to be especially powerful. I think a 0.04 degree biquintile can be more important than a 4 degree trine or sextile, depending upon the planets involved and the rest of the chart.

I think ignoring the minor aspects, especially orbs of 1 degree or less, means you miss a lot of important information.

If you need a word or two to describe the biquintile or quintile, use talent, creativity, or gift.

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posted September 07, 2014 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScoprioPowerr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Delilah423:
It has not been my (admittedly somewhat limited) experience that using some or all of the minor aspects results in diluting anything or in forming aspects between every planet pair. Especially when one keeps the orbs nice and tight.

I find the biquintile and quintile to be especially powerful. I think a 0.04 degree biquintile can be more important than a 4 degree trine or sextile, depending upon the planets involved and the rest of the chart.

I think ignoring the minor aspects, especially orbs of 1 degree or less, means you miss a lot of important information.

If you need a word or two to describe the biquintile or quintile, use talent, creativity, or gift.



I have venus biquintle ascendent, do you know how that helps me?

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I'm sorry but can someone PLEASE explain to me the actual meaning of all of those minor aspects? I've never seen the significance of any of them, no offense to anyone.

The only aspects that exist to me are the conjunction, opposition, square, sextile, and trine and, depending on the planets, the quincunx.

Otherwise, what's the meaning of it all? It seems like BS and like it's just diluting the meaning of astrology. Because, in that case, then almost everyone could have a Moon-Mercury aspect or whatever. And it often sounds like wishful thinking or something. Or someone just mistaking another placement in their chart for their Moon quintile Mercury placement.

To me, all the major aspects make sense:
conjunction - combination of the planets
square - tension between the planets
opposition - planets at total odds
sextile and trine - ease between planets
quincunx - imbalance between planets

That's why they make sense to me and it makes sense how they instill the aspect in someone's temperament. But, biquintile, septile? I don't understand it. Not going on the attack or anything. I've just been studying astrology for nearly seven years and that stuff still confuses me.


Some of the minor aspects are pretty subtle, I think that I only really feel them because I have so many connected together in a grand quintile and because my venus is unaspected the venus biquintiles are felt even more. The quintiles are definitely a "quirky" and "Artistic" aspect if that helps. I don't really know about the deciles, and the septiles are more of a spiritual, destiny thing which can be hard to explain and more specific to the person.

I don't personally think they dilute astrology so much as obscure asteroids do. I think they add a little more dimension and spice to the chart making it more unique, but in some charts they might not manifest in any sort of obvious way, I find that I can relate to my own minor aspects personally but I know that the energy may be too subtle to notice in other people while reading charts so I tend to disregard them unless I know the individual very closely.

If I had to add to your list there, the quintiles to me are felt like a fractal sort of energy, when you think of the arrangement of a pentagram there is imbalance which to me is like a spiraling fractal. Its between a square and a trine so there is some tension, and some ease, which is maybe why it is hard to sense since it is not so forceful or easy as it is a bit strange?

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quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, it is very significant - natally first. It is a benefic aspect and can help in relational dynamics.

The Quintile series of aspects are not 'minor' if they are reinforced - involved in a Grand Quintile (72 base + 144 side +144 side) or have multiple planets at one spot.
These aspects relate to talent in the mundane or outward sense. A strong Q/BQ if reinforced can be just as powerful as sextiles/trines.

Using the 'blank' horoscope as a template think of the Quintile 72* aspect relating to the Asc from the 3rd house area (12 degrees past mean cusp of 60*), or from the 10th house area: Mercurial/communicative energy stabilized/focused/made productive with Saturnine/substantive aspiration.

The 144* BiQuntile can be seen as operating from the 5th and 8th house areas: Sun-Pluto.

This is one way to see the underlying dynamics behind aspects without relying on harmonics theory, which is statistically based from vague group patterns.

Another way to view this Quintile series is that it results from diving the zodiac/sky by 5. 5 is an interesting number and repeats itself in nature a lot. 72* is the space between the conjunctions made by Sun and Venus as they move through the sky. Such points create a pentagram in the sky, of course. Pentagrams illustrate Spirit (1) filling/enlivening (2) Fire (3) Air (4) Earth (5) Water.

It is my view that the Quintile series relates to the developed capacity (in past lifetimes generally) to apply the dynamics of nature creatively. This generally means more creative and spiritual leanings pointing to more previous incarnations the more you see such configurations (of multiple coordinated Q/BQ aspects).

Some interesting charts with noticeable Q/BQ configurations: Pope John Paul II, Edgar Cayce, Einstein, and me


Great post, Kannon McAfee! I always like the parallel with the Zodiac configuration to understand aspects.

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