posted November 30, 2011 09:57 PM            

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted November 30, 2011 10:06 PM            

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Originally posted by moonpie:
Natal chart.

Uh, I meant is Jupiter opposite Saturn and Saturn opposite Jupiter the same thing? If only you can edit the title heading.

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posted November 30, 2011 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
YEs

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i'm confused...yes, as in, they are the same thing??

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted November 30, 2011 10:17 PM            

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Originally posted by NickiG:
i'm confused...yes, as in, they are the same thing??

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Yes if one planet is opposite another planet.. Its the same visa versa...

jupiter opps saturn
saturn oops jupiter

venus trine moon
moon trine venus

etc etc..

You can say it either way...

posted November 30, 2011 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by moonpie:
Natal chart.

Uh, I meant is Jupiter opposite Saturn and Saturn opposite Jupiter the same thing? If only you can edit the title heading.

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posted November 30, 2011 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Cecile:
What about in transit? I'm assuming they would be different from each other. I've had both at the same time for that matter.

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transits and synastry it would be different

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted November 30, 2011 10:43 PM            

In a natal chart, it's the same thing. Jupiter opposition Saturn = Saturn opposition Jupiter

In a transit, they are not exactly interchangeable. The transiting planet is the one affecting the natal planet.

Robert Hand in "Planets in Transit: Life Cycles for Living" (I think these are the descriptions used in the astro.com ClickCharts) has a description for each, and they reflect the differences. So I take it that there is a differentiation between Jupiter transiting nSaturn and vice versa.

e.g. (and the following are not verbatim from any particular source, just to be clear; just my offhand interps)

Transiting Venus conjuncts your natal Sun: You radiate Venusian energy during this transit (well, actually the day before the exact conjunction). You'll be more charming and sociable than usual.

tSun conjuncting your natal Venus: You want to socialize more than usual. Your social tendencies (whatever they may be in the chart) are awakened.

So as to your Jupiter-Saturn example...

In a natal chart, Jupiter opposition Saturn indicates that there is a see-sawing effect between the two and it's difficult to reconcile, so one works while the other is at rest. (This is paraphrased from "Aspects in Astrology: A Guide to Understanding Planetary Relationships in the Horoscope" by Sue Tompkins:
http://www.amazon.com/Aspects-Astrology-Un derstanding-Planetary-Relationships/dp/0892819650/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322710090&sr=8-1 )

Not sure what would happen if both are receiving transits...oh well, glad I don't have to deal with that myself. Anyways..

In a transit:

tJupiter opposition nSaturn: External circumstances offer you an opportunity for expansion but they are anathema to your responsibilities/sense of security.

tSaturn opposition nJupiter: Not a period to indulge your need for expansion and growth because Saturn is asking you to take care of the business at hand.