posted December 01, 2011 08:43 AM            

So, I've sort of posted about this before, but thought I would come and ask in a different way.

Generally speaking, how might one expect this to play out in synastry?

The other person's Mars in Scorpio conjunct my Pluto in Scorpio.
The other aspect is my Mars in Libra conjunct their Pluto in Libra.

posted December 01, 2011 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Wow, good sex thats for sure. A passionate relationship that may devolve into fighting and anger if either personality is so inclined, then watch out.

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Yeah, that is what I'm afraid of. I think if communication goes bad, it will devolve into that. I personally only really get angry at secrecy and a lack of loyalty...or betrayal. Other than that, I try to keep most things peaceful and balanced in my life in general--relationship especially.

There is also a venus square pluto and venus semisquare pluto 'semi double whammy' (lol)...and a sun (me) conjunct pluto. I mean, there are LOTS of positive nodal/personal planet contacts as well, and a venus trine venus (which is supposed to be nice). But the mars conjunct pluto double aspect (esp. considering I have it natally), seems like it could be problematic and cause a lot of tense energy, especially when combined with what is already there. Pluto is having a field day. This might be the karmic soulmate from the dark side of the moon. Lol! / ....idk how to feel.

posted December 01, 2011 01:28 PM            

Orgasm in french means the little death. I feel this relationship will lead to transformation through the vehicle of sex.

Ex: my pluto conjunct his sun and his pluto conjunct my mars. Chemistry that lasts and will always be present. We kissed as soon as we saw each other and made out for hours.

posted December 01, 2011 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Have fun!! enjoy the power of sex that transforms your soul!

Orgasm in french means the little death. I feel this relationship will lead to transformation through the vehicle of sex.

Ex: my pluto conjunct his sun and his pluto conjunct my mars. Chemistry that lasts and will always be present. We kissed as soon as we saw each other and made out for hours.

we feel drawn to eachother like magnets.

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This resonates. I don't think fated even begins to describe the intensity. I've read that with the sun-pluto conjunction, there is a point where circumstantially (or some other conditions, often early on in the relationship) it seems like the relationship is over or falling apart--causing intense grief for both people. Apparently, this suggests that the circumstances are changing to provide a 'fresh start' or to give room for the true purpose of the relationship to manifest in full bloom. Does this resonate with you?

posted December 01, 2011 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Nothingbutaname:
Hmm I have this placement natally, Mars in Scorpio Conjunct Pluto (also in Scorpio) as well as scorpio sun conunct mars and pluto. Not really sure how it plays out natally though so I am curious. Haven't experienced this in synastry but i'm sure as stated above it would be very powerful.

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Found this about the natal aspect:

"This aspect should give you considerable physical energy and vitality which you can apply to tasks requiring persistence, determination and endurance. You are able to direct a potent will towards realising your aims; and your innate vitality when rightly directed will be the means by which you steer your life course.

The energy can tend to amplify any self-centred tendencies in you, stimulating your desire nature and setting goals to achieve which would be primarily for your own personal benefit and satisfaction. You may like to create challenges for yourself, as a test for the efficacy of your 'powers'. If this tendency is allowed to dictate life choices, then you may become dominated by an insatiable desire compulsion, which is rarely fulfilled; this can reflect a certain naivety or innocence in your outlook which is essentially selfish and adolescent in quality; and the 'I want' syndrome may need more consicous moderation in order for you to regain control.

Often you will prefer to assert your individuality, sometimes even as a compulsive expression despite the reactions of others. You may not always think things through enough, or consider the possible implications of your actions and words prior to committing yourself. This can obviously create some difficulties for you; it is similar to the behaviour of an adolescent, which as most parents discover can lead to considerable family friction.

You will have a dislike of restrictions imposed upon you, always having a need for as much freedom as possible. If you feel that your energy is imprisoned, then you will be looking for the way out, feeling that before too long your energy will explode, and this can be quite uncomfortable. To minimise this, you should try to develop your life so that your choices of partner and work are reasonably compatible with your needs, if only to avoid unnecessary inner friction.

In your intimate relationships, you may be too forceful and aggressive. The Pluto energy will tend to make you too possessive and demanding of a partner; and you may attempt to dominate by your sexual expression. Sexual experiences will hold great meaning for you; and you will try to release much of your physical vigour on the physical level in an intense and potentially transforming manner. You may need to gain greater control over this aspect of yourself, to avoid it becoming obsessive or too extreme and violent in approach or tone.

As you mature more, you may discover an increasing interest in and awareness of social concerns; and this can be a fruitful channel through which to express your vitality and talents. You can be quite useful in encouraging others to apply their positions of power and influence to work for greater social benefit; and your ability to resolve difficult situations by strength of will can be creatively positive."

Feel better? Lol. I don't! Jk.

In terms of the synastry side, it is intense. But as mentioned before, there are all of these other dynamics at play (pluto/venus, sun/pluto, node/pluto...etc) that are increasing the intensity for me personally. Madness, for sure. And since I have it natally, it is really adding a level of complexity that I feel is actually changing me on a very, very significant level. Particularly how I look at myself, my worth, relationships, and power. Not to mention others, as I've mentioned before, there is a star crossed theme to this, as I observe people are mystified by 1.) our interaction, 2.) our presence. Some are not comfortable with the two of us as a duo in any capacity, platonic or otherwise. Which I thought was amusing at first. Then I realized, depending on how impressionable a person is, it can lead to severe distortion, miscommunication...etc. Some of which I am experiencing now. And how I hate to be misunderstood or blamed for things that are untrue.

posted December 02, 2011 06:25 AM            

It could get very very intense with aspects like that; though at least with a double-whammy there is nobody with the 'upper hand' so to speak.

It all depends on a lot of things, I wouldn't thrive in a relationship with that much Pluto personally but I have Pluto natally in the 12th, square my Moon. For somebody with Pluto in a more prominent position, or a lot of natal Scorpio, it may be essential to seek such intensity in a relationship.

Look at the condition of Pluto in each natal chart to give an idea of how comfortable the individuals are with Pluto...that will be the most indicative.

posted December 02, 2011 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:

Pluto-Mars is passionate, sexual, physical...but it can also be acquisitive, power-focussed, possessive and aggressive. It's certainly a challenge!!!

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posted December 02, 2011 06:36 AM            

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But I hear Pluto destroys everything and anything that threatens it's survival...and I don't think I could find a better way of putting it. So, it seems to just be a lot of transformation, destruction and perhaps rebirth--either alone or together as one, if that makes sense.

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No, rebirth is a sure thing with Pluto.
Plutonian transformation is a two-stage act: 1. destruction/death
2. reconstruction/rebirth

Do not fear Pluto. He's intense but he's synonymous to change, and change is life. Yes, it can be extremely painful, you learn to lose a lot and some, but you will always come back as a new soul, new person, new presence.

In a love relationship, too much Plutonian energy can feel uncomfortable. Check your IC's and Moon's, Venus, even Neptune. Do you guys have enough love and romance and sweetness between u to balance off the big-bull's (Pluto, Mars, Saturn in my books)?

posted December 02, 2011 06:44 AM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
No, rebirth is a sure thing with Pluto.
Plutonian transformation is a two-stage act: 1. destruction/death
2. reconstruction/rebirth

Do not fear Pluto. He's intense but he's synonymous to change, and change is life. Yes, it can be extremely painful, you learn to lose a lot and some, but you will always come back as a new soul, new person, new presence.

In a love relationship, too much Plutonian energy can feel uncomfortable. Check your IC's and Moon's, Venus, even Neptune. Do you guys have enough love and romance and sweetness between u to balance off the big-bull's (Pluto, Mars, Saturn in my books)?

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Honestly I think you overstated it and made Pluto sound way scarier and heavier than it is; it's not that bad imo but then again, my own natal placements might be affecting my feelings about it :

moon conjunct pluto
mercury quintile pluto
venus parallel pluto
mars square pluto
Lilith in Scorpio
Pluto in the 8th house

Plutonic situations and circumstances don't really cause me to bat an eye, much less destroy me and I don't really find them that terrifying, difficult, or particularly harrowing. Sometimes I experience stuff that other people witness from the outside and think must be oh-so-negative and painful for me, and I kinda think to myself, "For you, maybe it would be - but I can go where you can't go and do what you can't do."

posted December 02, 2011 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Are you in a relationship?

It could get very very intense with aspects like that; though at least with a double-whammy there is nobody with the 'upper hand' so to speak.

It all depends on a lot of things, I wouldn't thrive in a relationship with that much Pluto personally but I have Pluto natally in the 12th, square my Moon. For somebody with Pluto in a more prominent position, or a lot of natal Scorpio, it may be essential to seek such intensity in a relationship.

Look at the condition of Pluto in each natal chart to give an idea of how comfortable the individuals are with Pluto...that will be the most indicative.

Pluto-Mars is passionate, sexual, physical...but it can also be acquisitive, power-focussed, possessive and aggressive. It's certainly a challenge!!!

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No, we aren't. But, I am becoming very fascinated with Pluto and its capabilities. I have both Pluto in the first in Scorpio, and 2-3 other Scorpio placements, so maybe that has some impact. Mars is in the first also. I have like 4 or 5 aspects/contacts to pluto in my chart--not including asteroids. Granted, my SN is also in Scorpio. Meh.

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
No, rebirth is a sure thing with Pluto.
Plutonian transformation is a two-stage act: 1. destruction/death
2. reconstruction/rebirth

Do not fear Pluto. He's intense but he's synonymous to change, and change is life. Yes, it can be extremely painful, you learn to lose a lot and some, but you will always come back as a new soul, new person, new presence.

In a love relationship, too much Plutonian energy can feel uncomfortable. Check your IC's and Moon's, Venus, even Neptune. Do you guys have enough love and romance and sweetness between u to balance off the big-bull's (Pluto, Mars, Saturn in my books)?

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I won't fear Pluto! Dealt with the Mars/Pluto conjunction and it was painful. Wasn't a double whammy. Reconstruction and lessons in power, and fear. Rebirth and greater understanding of self and the larger cosmological picture. Enjoyed the evolution, and it continues.

There is a familiarity and 'sweetness' there, so to speak. I think that will always be there.

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

Honestly I think you overstated it and made Pluto sound way scarier and heavier than it is; it's not that bad imo but then again, my own natal placements might be affecting my feelings about it :

moon conjunct pluto
mercury quintile pluto
venus parallel pluto
mars square pluto
Lilith in Scorpio
Pluto in the 8th house

Plutonic situations and circumstances don't really cause me to bat an eye, much less destroy me and I don't really find them that terrifying, difficult, or particularly harrowing. Sometimes I experience stuff that other people witness from the outside and think must be oh-so-negative and painful for me, and I kinda think to myself, "For you, maybe it would be - but I can go where you can't go and do what you can't do."

What would devastate and destroy them is just yawn-inducing for me.

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Just as the house/sign placements matter in determining an energy so to speak, I believe the scenario does as well, no? I think even when Pluto does enough 'work' on someone or something around us, the effects can radiate, like Plutonium...maybe? Lets not make others feel a certain way because they find certain circumstances more or less difficult. I appreciate everyone's honesty and vulnerability, that is a strength to me. So lets try to encourage and foster such authenticity, yours included BelligerentPygmy--

Pluto is heavy. Transformation is heavy, but we all deal with it differently. Nothing is wrong with parts of you being destroyed for the sake of regeneration. There are many types of [de]construction. Also, nothing is wrong with fear--express it, release it.

I'd rather a structure not capable of withstanding the future/longhaul be destroyed than one that needs continual repairs. Does this mean I am strong? Not necessarily. It means I am willing. Humble and willing to be made anew.

"Why boast of your strength. The same wind that can topple a tree caress the grass." Rumi

posted December 02, 2011 08:34 PM            

I love your post, you clearly understand and embrace Pluto.

posted December 02, 2011 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Ah Firewire,

I love your post, you clearly understand and embrace Pluto.

I'm guessing you don't have his time of birth to know the houses?? Sounds like the synastry could be a good match with all the strong aspects, coupled with the wisdom required to transcend the fear of change {that many have in the face of Plutonic intesity}

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No birth time...using 12 P.M., both planets in 1st house, like mine.

posted December 03, 2011 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
^ if you don't have birth time, you won't know the true asc or their houses, so you can't say the planets fall in the first house... As you don't even know where their asc is actually.

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I actually know this. I've played with numerous times, in any case, so I know it can all be pretty varied from one extreme to the next! Typically, I've heard/seen astrologers use 12 P.M. as 'default' to get an idea of aspects, rather than houses (and signs in some cases, also). Thanks for the input though, it is all welcomed and appreciated!

posted December 03, 2011 07:34 AM            

I totally agree that losing oneself in the other is magical. All the outer planets have their own type of sublimation when you think about but Pluto tends to be more sexual and intense

I see NO point in a relationship without growth {as somebody choosing a spiritual ~be the best I can be~ path} and if two people come together with that ethos and a LOT of love of patience, it can work.

posted December 03, 2011 07:38 AM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Ah Firewire,

I love your post, you clearly understand and embrace Pluto.

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posted December 03, 2011 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:

I see NO point in a relationship without growth {as somebody choosing a spiritual ~be the best I can be~ path} and if two people come together with that ethos and a LOT of love of patience, it can work.

I've seen a lot of synastry in my time and the ones that I shake my head at are the ones which don't have hard aspects, or interplay between enough planets. You can always make something if you've got ingredients; if you don't have them...then that's why to walk away You guys certainly don't seem to have a bland or boring connection... {I am curious as to the situation if I'm honest, but don't want to pry if you are reluctant to say here}

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I love the first part of what you typed! For me, relationships are definitely about multidimensional expansion. If it isn't there, I don't see the point. That doesn't mean I'll just leave, because I am too loyal. But, I will just sort of wonder 'why.'

And exactly what are you curious about? Lol. How many details do you want.

I'll just say it is sacred, to me. Here I have found an expression of love that is profound and moves me deeply. Strong karmic connection, for sure. Possibly one of the strongest I've ever encountered, for better or worse.