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Ceridwen
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posted December 06, 2011 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi IQ,

I was wondering if you might be willing to share an example of a twin flame synastry / composite and your analysis of it, so we can see what to look out for?

also, do you have any birthdata of people, you are sure about they are twin flames? (anonymously of course).

It might be good for exercising our astrological skills.

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posted December 06, 2011 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I cannot give the data in public, I did send one couple's data to you with their permission last year. I will ask some more couples for permission and email you.

Here are the most common features:

1. Packed Composite 7th

2. Exact Ascendant or Dsc aspect to Sun, Moon, Asc, Dsc, Venus or Karma. Some had multiple Asc/Dsc aspects within 2 degrees orb.

3. Very strong Valentine aspects

4. 2 or more Soulmate Pair Asteroids had aspects within 1 degree orb. Isis-Osiris was most common, Pluto-Persephone second, Siva-Kaali third.

5. Plenty of Draconic Chart Synastry Aspects between personal planets and Saturn.

In well known couples, I think Ron Howard-Cheryl Alley, Christopher Plummer-Elaine Taylor, Julie Andrews-Blake Edwards, Christopher Reeve-Dana are having strong chances of being Twin Flames. Problem is we are not sure of their birth times to have a thorough analysis.

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posted December 06, 2011 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, IQ,

that is very helpful.


And yes, I still have the data you`ve given me.


EDIT: What are SC-aspects? Aspects to DSC?


BTW if you mention aspects, which aspects do you consider?

What is a very strong Valentine aspect?

Oh and Amor and Psyche don`t play a significant role?

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posted December 06, 2011 05:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I made several typos...edited now.

Previously, I thought only positive aspects matter but on deep refection, I think for Twin Flames, any aspect has to be a good aspect as long as the orb is tight.

For Soulmates who need to pay off debts, good aspects are helpful, even necessary.

If I met my Twin Flame, would I say "Shucks, your Saturn is squaring my Venus, so I am not going to have anything to do with you."

Eros and Psyche as important as Isis-Osiris.
Amor is next to Valentine.
Vesta, Ceres and even Fortuna have value but not on their own. They need planetary connection or links to help confirm higher chances of Twin Flames.

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posted December 06, 2011 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Previously, I thought only positive aspects matter but on deep refection, I think for Twin Flames, any aspect has to be a good aspect as long as the orb is tight."
I agree.

so you would even consider the square?


My friend has found her Twin flame, and I am pretty convinced she is right about that. They do not really have all that positive soulmate couples, b ut there is an exact Isis-Osiris-square.

On top of that his Venus conjunct her ASC on 14-15 Cancer exact, being one angle of a Grand trine with her Neptune and Jupiter.

Plus they have an exact Valentine-Pluto conjunction on the Sabian degree "The groom snatches the veil away from his bride".

Haven`t checked the DRacos and composite too thoroughly yet; it never was necessary, because neither had any doubt that they had met the One.

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posted December 06, 2011 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ I had an ex with amazing synastry, composite and draconic chart with me? But he wasn't my twin flame? How does that work?

I have natal vertex and juno conjunct desc (both by a degree) and destinn conjunct pluto by like a degree so I think I seem to have karmic relationships. I recently met a guy that has fantastic synastry and composite with me and psychics have been telling me he's a soulmate. I was also told that I'll be meeting another guy (within like the next month or so) who will be another soulmate?
Why is 2 soulmates entering my life around the same time? I thought soulmate encounters are rare for most people?

Also, FYI, I have eros square psyche (1 degree) in the natal.

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posted December 06, 2011 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My wife and I are a unique example.
I think we are Karmic Soulmates and I am the astrology enthusiast. She does not even know the 12 Signs but she thinks we are Twin Flames. [If she is reading this, no dinner tonight ]

In our synastry we have all of this:

1. My Saturn square her Saturn
2. Her Saturn oppose my Mars and Venus
3. Her Venus quincunx my Sun exact
4. Her Mars squares my Pluto exact
5. Her Ascendant squares my Pluto
6. Her Ascendant squares my Ascendant exact
7. My Karma squares her Moon exact
8. Her Jupiter squares my Moon exact
9. Her Pluto and Karma opposes my Chiron

Technically we should have split in 6 weeks but its 6 years and we are still fighting like a couple who has just completed the honeymoon.

For all the effort put into this catastrophic synastry, I hope we are Twin Flames....

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posted December 06, 2011 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been thinking of posting my synastry, composite and davidson of the new guy I met on this forum, to get opinions... But seeing I just met him (been a few months actually but still haven't really interacted with him too much), it's probably a good idea to just wait at least half a year aye? Just to see how things pan out before getting any opinions??

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posted December 06, 2011 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm very skeptical about these asteroids (not even talking about this twin-soul concept) but it's a fact that in the two most important connections that had the glue to survive (the past 3 years) we had/have an Isis/Osiris conjunction (such endurance is very rare for me when it comes to 'erotic love').
One a few minutes apart in which I was Osiris and with the other/next an orb of 1*20 in which I was Isis.
With both ofcourse a strong conjunction between the big three.

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posted December 06, 2011 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mintgirl123:
I thought soulmate encounters are rare for most people?
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I`m not so sure anymore, that it really is that rare.
I guess it depends on how you define "soulmate" though.

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posted December 06, 2011 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
M but she thinks we are Twin Flames. [If she is reading this, no dinner tonight ]


She`s probably right.


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posted December 06, 2011 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I`m not so sure anymore, that it really is that rare.
I guess it depends on how you define "soulmate" though.


Soulmate as in somebody we shared past lives with, especially in romantic relationships. Somebody who comes into our lives and we learn big lessons from.

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posted December 06, 2011 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mir:
I'm very skeptical about these asteroids (not even talking about this twin-soul concept) but it's a fact that in the two most important connections that had the glue to survive (the past 3 years) we had/have an Isis/Osiris conjunction (such endurance is very rare for me when it comes to 'erotic love').
One a few minutes apart in which I was Osiris and with the other/next an orb of 1*20 in which I was Isis.
With both ofcourse a strong conjunction between the big three.

If you see that in your own life the asteroid astrology appears to be accurate...how are you still skeptical? lol

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posted December 06, 2011 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Soulmate as in somebody we shared past lives with, especially in romantic relationships. Somebody who comes into our lives and we learn big lessons from.


Yes, if this definition applies, I donīt think it is that rare.
I guess souls tend to travel in "flocks".

Of course I cannot prove it. It just is what it feels like for me.

Might be different of what you are experiencing. But I`ve so often come across people who felt "familiar", that I simply got used to it, and now am kinda confused if I meet someone who feels "new".

EDIT:
Of course that does not mean that I was having romantic relationships with all these people. But they left a mark on my life one way or the other.

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posted December 06, 2011 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Yes, if this definition applies, I donīt think it is that rare.
I guess souls tend to travel in "flocks".

Of course I cannot prove it. It just is what it feels like for me.

Might be different of what you are experiencing. But I`ve so often come across people who felt "familiar", that I simply got used to it, and now am kinda confused if I meet someone who feels "new".

EDIT:
Of course that does not mean that I was having romantic relationships with all these people. But they left a mark on my life one way or the other.



You might be onto something with this because it's the same way for me. Usually every time I'm interested in someone and check the synastry later, there's heavy karmic/soulmate indicator activity going on in there somewhere.

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posted December 06, 2011 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps so? I'm 100% sure my sis has karmic ties with me, and looking at my dad's synastry with me, seems like it too. I'm not 100% sure for my mum though.

Was told by psychics my parents were soulmates. Surprising cos they argue all the time? But their synastry IS pretty impressive.

Guess some of us DO tend to attract more 'kindred spirits' into our lives? Seems so for people that have their vertex in the 7th house?

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posted December 06, 2011 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Perhaps so? I'm 100% sure my sis has karmic ties with me, and looking at my dad's synastry with me, seems like it too. I'm not 100% sure for my mum though.

Was told by psychics my parents were soulmates. Surprising cos they argue all the time?

Guess some of us DO tend to attract more 'kindred spirits' into our lives? Seems so for people that have their vertex in the 7th house?



It's freaky you're saying that, because my vertex is in the 7th house.

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posted December 06, 2011 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol! Lucky us?
My experience with my ex and another guy (I suspect was a soulmate too) were both painful =( so I'm now like scarred.

I have vertex and juno and valentine conjunct desc.
I also have destinn conjunct pluto and fortuna conjunct my MC both by a degree.
Tyche squares sun by a degree too =(

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posted December 06, 2011 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
lol! Lucky us?
My experience with my ex and another guy (I suspect was a soulmate too) were both painful =( so I'm now like scarred.

I have vertex and juno and valentine conjunct desc.
I also have destinn conjunct pluto and fortuna conjunct my MC both by a degree.
Tyche squares sun by a degree too =(


Yeah, honestly all my experiences have been a little s.crewy, too to some extent. I've never really had a positive, 'pretty', soulmate experience.

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posted December 06, 2011 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:

Guess some of us DO tend to attract more 'kindred spirits' into our lives? Seems so for people that have their vertex in the 7th house?

Yes, it could be.

Well, not for me though, my Vertex is in 8th house, BUT I have KARMA in 7th house and SN is conjunct DESC. Draco Moon is conjuncct my DESC exact as well.

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posted December 06, 2011 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:

In our synastry we have all of this:

1. My Saturn square her Saturn
2. Her Saturn oppose my Mars and Venus
3. Her Venus quincunx my Sun exact
4. Her Mars squares my Pluto exact
5. Her Ascendant squares my Pluto
6. Her Ascendant squares my Ascendant exact
7. My Karma squares her Moon exact
8. Her Jupiter squares my Moon exact
9. Her Pluto and Karma opposes my Chiron



IQ,

if I may ask, what are the positives in your synastry?

I think I remember a Karma-ASC-conjunction and a DW of Valentine-NN conjunction, is that right?
Are there others as well?

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posted December 06, 2011 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A real life example - they may be not twin flames, but they must be doing something right:


What is your impression, IQ?

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posted December 06, 2011 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I see is this:

1. 7th house activity:
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her Jupiter in his 7th house
his Sun in her 7th house

composite also has a 7th house Jupiter,
which is making a Grand trine with Juno in Scorpio in 3rd and 7th house ruler Uranus in Cancer in 11th

(also has a Fire Sun as chartruler in 5th house with an exact trine to Pluto in 1st house)


2. ASC/DESC-activity
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her Venus conjunct his ASC (and Saturn) EXACT (18 Virgo)
his Union on 11 Scorpio trines her ASC on 11 Cancer

in the composite:
ASC widely conjunct Karma (3 degrees)


3. Valentine (and Amor)
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his Amor trine her Pluto-Proserpina-on 21 Leo (2)

her Valentine trine his Mars (1)
her Valentine trine his Jupiter (1)

composite:
Valentine trine Venus exact
Amor conjunct Eros and NN at 2 degrees each
(but Amor also opposes Mars exact)


4. soulmate pairings
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his Jupiter on 12.1 Aquarius sextile her Juno on 13.1 Sagittarius
his Juno on 4.2 Libra opposes her Jupiter on 6 Aries (it is out of the one degree orb though)

his Pluto on 17.1 Leo trine her Perspehone on 15.3 Aries and conjunct her Proserpina on 21.2 Leo (again, a bit out of orb)

his Osiris on 28.1 Taurus opposes her Isis on 28.3 Scorpio

composite:
Jupiter on 9.1 Pisces in 7th trine Juno on 8.4 Scorpio in 3rd


5. Draconic activity
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her Draco Saturn (conj. her tropical Sun) opposite his tropical Moon, and conjunct his Draco Union

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posted December 07, 2011 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
In well known couples, I think Ron Howard-Cheryl Alley, Christopher Plummer-Elaine Taylor, Julie Andrews-Blake Edwards, Christopher Reeve-Dana are having strong chances of being Twin Flames. Problem is we are not sure of their birth times to have a thorough analysis.


In the book by Jourdry / Pressman they mentioned these as possible twin souls:

Robert Browning and Elizabeth Barrett Browning

Pierre and Marie Curie
(I never had thought of them before, but when I saw the charts of the Curie`s for the first time, I was gobsmacked. Their Davison Sun has the Sabian: A Chemist Conducts An Experiment For His Students

And it is conjunct their Davison ASC and Union, which are both just one degree off the Sun.)

The Mother and Sri Aurobindo
(but that is not news for your I guess. )

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posted December 07, 2011 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elizabeth Clare and Mark Prophet were twin flames. I looked at their synastry awhile back.. I remember Venus and Mars were activated. Would have to look again.

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