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RegardesPlatero
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posted December 06, 2011 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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BelligerentPygmy
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posted December 06, 2011 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a pile-up in the 8th and placements in Aquarius. Privacy and boundaries are a big deal to me, both my own and other people's. Whenever people take liberties or cross lines they don't have the right to cross, I end up making the "Who Farted?" face.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted December 06, 2011 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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mintgirl123
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posted December 06, 2011 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm private, and I keep alot of stuff inside, but I'm NOT shifty or secretive in the negative sense. I'm very straight up, but I keep alot of personal info to myself.

pluto in 8th Scorpy.

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lindisfarne
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posted December 06, 2011 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm allowed to be private, but you are not. Is the essence of it all.

I have Sun in Aquarius in house 12.
Saturn conjunct Ascedant in house 1,
reserved, introverted, controlled, stingy with myself and every thing I bring out to the world is based on what I want you to know. But you are not allowed to do that with me. I won't come out right with it, I'm more slow and meticulous I plan carefully how I "get" things etc..
I'm a private person! Most of my friends dont even know me well, friends I've grown up with... but I know about them, and continue to want to know, but they won't know about me and what I do. I'd like to keep it that way bahahahah!
In high school people thought I was mysterious they had no idea what things I do, where I often went when I "disappeared" for days- weeks, but I'd know about where they've been and how they got there.

No one is allowed to push my boundaries - even if I don't assert myself, I always come back and do just that.

No one is allowed to keep things hidden from me.

When I say no one, namely people I'm closest too... even acquaintances this applies. I dont respond well to people digging for information out of me. I normally keep quiet and to myself but when I want to know about you there's always great reason behind it - I just won't always tell ya! most likely won't tell ya... now that I think about it...

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amowls**
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posted December 06, 2011 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think anything is off limits. I can be pretty crass, too. In terms of personal privacy, I'm an open book. I never hide things for the sake of hiding them. I'm not really worried about ammunition, what could people possibly use to hurt me? Seriously. If I tell someone i've slept with 11 people, and later they use this information to call me a sl*t, it just makes them look bad. I wouldn't be ashamed otherwise, why would I do it?

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lindisfarne
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posted December 06, 2011 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Reg "some subject limits are off"
See that ring true for me only when I'm the subject! I absolutely will not reveal much, if at all. Basically all subjects are not off limits to me, my goal is to take in all that I can, at all depths and I don't mind getting dirty to find things out. You are not off limits, as a subject. they are not off limits as a subject, but I am, most certainly.

I'm very cautious and uber sensitive to hurt so I gotta do anything to protect myself that involves knowing as much as I can about someone that interests me, and when I have some goal I want to reach with them (personal) I need to know everything, and I will, in time but I'll be the one digging and pushing, I'll be the one catching little flaws and piecing things together, but they can't do that with me.

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pandacake
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posted December 06, 2011 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pandacake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm very private; nobody searches my room, reads my mail, takes my cd's, wears my clothes/shoes, etc especially without me knowing or I seriously freak out. Everything in my room is holy and has a special meaning. People who truly know me respect this.
I think this is a H1 Scorpio Moon trait.

On a social level, I love to talk and share ideas. I like conversations that are light hearted but also conversations that can go very deep/personal. *As long it is profound.* In real life I connect very well with Aquarians and Scorpios though I'd rather not have them both at the same time. But indeed, some of these conversations are more appropriate in more private settings.

When I have to be in a less private setting with people I don't know, I'm lost and feel disconnected, I don't know what my boundaries are on this. I'm not shy but I become introverted and would rather just listen and be quiet and perhaps even disappear. This often comes across as cold and distant, though I don't mean it that way.

This is because I don't understand polite small talk and superficial chit chat just for the sake of being "kind". It's not that I don't like it. I do but I can't ever come up with any small talk subjects and often don't know how to properly respond to it either. I really wish I would be better at it though because I like to please people and feel accepted. I guess I'm not as Libra as I'd like myself to be. Perhaps my Sun in H12 has something to do with this.

This is a very interesting thread, thanks!

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BelligerentPygmy
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posted December 06, 2011 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amowls**:
I don't think anything is off limits. I can be pretty crass, too. In terms of personal privacy, I'm an open book. I never hide things for the sake of hiding them. I'm not really worried about ammunition, what could people possibly use to hurt me? Seriously. If I tell someone i've slept with 11 people, and later they use this information to call me a sl*t, it just makes them look bad. I wouldn't be ashamed otherwise, why would I do it?

Actually? Honestly in a situation like that, I'd look at both of you sideways - the other person for being a confidence-betrayer; and you, for being a h*e lol.


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I'm allowed to be private, but you are not. Is the essence of it all.

Oh, I haaaaate that. I've known people like that. That really sets me off, to insist on prying even when I make it clear it's not wanted or appreciated, and then to turn around and do it anyway, but guard their own privacy intensely? To me that's just insult to injury...

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lindisfarne
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posted December 06, 2011 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
Oh, I haaaaate that. I've known people like that. That really sets me off, to insist on prying even when I make it clear it's not wanted or appreciated, and then to turn around and do it anyway, but guard their own privacy intensely? To me that's just insult to injury...

Well. That's not how I am either. I know when people are uncomfortable. If I see it, I'll stop. But I'll come back again, to attempt to obtain what i wanted to know.
I just naturally shut down when people ask questions about me/I'm the subject/in the spotlight, prefer not to.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted December 06, 2011 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
Well. That's not how I am either. I know when people are uncomfortable. If I see it, I'll stop. But I'll come back again, to attempt to obtain what i wanted to know.
I just naturally shut down when people ask questions about me/I'm the subject/in the spotlight, prefer not to.

To be fair, though, you're not REALLY stopping if you go back. You're just delaying/pausing and taking a break.

I don't mean to be insulting or anything, but I am intrigued: how do you justify your own snooping and prying, but you can't stand it when others do it? How do you see it as different when they do it as opposed to when you do it? Do you feel like your motives are different than theirs, and that this makes it OK? (Again, not trying to be insulting, but I am genuinely curious and, if you're comfortable with explaining, am genuinely interested to hear the rationale behind it).

Just out of curiosity (and this is aimed at all "diggers" out there, not any one person): what is it that gives you that habit? Why do you feel the need to do that? What makes you feel like it's OK to not respect someone's privacy, and what makes you feel like there should be no boundaries or limits? What is your motivation in snooping: to use things against people? Blackmail (emotional or literal)? To (in a very twisted way) get to know someone? Revenge? Something else? Just curious?

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Personal Planets:
Sun, Mercury: Libra
Venus: Scorpio
Moon: Cancer
Mars: Capricorn

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amowls**
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posted December 06, 2011 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Actually? Honestly in a situation like that, I'd look at both of you sideways - the other person for being a confidence-betrayer; and you, for being a h*e lol.

See, I don't judge other people like that. "A sl*t is just someone who has slept with more people than you."~~

(And yes, 11 is my number lol. Which averages out to about 2 people a year since I've lost my virginity. WOWWWWWWWWW)

In the scenario I was talking about, the other person didn't betray any trust because it's not like I keep my number a secret lol. I just think people who judge others for personal decisions that affects no one else are kind of scum. Especially people who use arguably sexist words.

BTW not directing this at you BelligerentPygmy. I've seen a lot of this trend lately especially on my Facebook feed. This one girl always complains about bow slutty other women are and her profile picture is of HER IN A BRA lol. I just think she's trash (not because of her bra picture but because she's a hypocrite). Not to mention my ex boyfriend's new girlfriend who called my bff a wh*re but she LITERALLY takes off her clothes for money as a SuicideGirl. Again, I don't have a problem with sex workers but those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's not like she's the freaking Virgin Mary.

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I have Moon in Aquarius and this seems to make me think that what I feel is inappropriate so I don't say what I really feel. People try to manipulate via emotions anyway so it's safer to not disclose them. Pluto in my 1st trines Moon in Aqua, reinforcing this defense mechanism.

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Not to mention my ex boyfriend's new girlfriend who called my bff a wh*re but she LITERALLY takes off her clothes for money as a SuicideGirl

If your bff gets paid for sexual services then they are both ****** and can call each other that because it's the truth. Nothing inherently wrong with the oldest profession.

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downtomars
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posted December 06, 2011 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am most definitely an open book - if you are my friend (or an anonymous person on the internet). I mean, I'll talk about anything from my sex life to what color my poop is but to very-very close friends only.

Strangers need to know their place though. They can babble on and on to me, a total stranger, about their divorces and bankrupcies but I'll just smile and nod. They can't pull anything out of me though, I'm just "fine" and "good" as far as they are concerned.

Leo/Libra/Aquarius ~ Moon (9th) conjunct Pluto (8th)...

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posted December 06, 2011 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
What are your approaches to privacy, and what in your chart influences your views, in your opinion? In a similar vein, what are you views about being open vs. being reserved? What are your views on what's appropriate to have in the open and what is not? Should there be limits and boundaries about what's appropriate and what is not appropriate to share or discuss?

Well I've got an Eighth House Mercury which I spend ample time discussing on this forum and I'm very secretive. I only reveal what's necessary or asked. I won't prohibit anyone from saying all the fascinating things they want to because I'm an unbiased listener. However, I take my privacy very seriously. I don't like anyone to know things about my private life that I have not intentionally revealed.

Personally, I think anything's appropriate to have in the open but I won't reveal everything because I enjoy keeping things hidden. I'm an Aquarius Rising and I don't like to restrict or limit anybody in conversations or in general. I've been told horrifying things which have made me feel like tearing out my ears but who am I to tell someone not to speak their truth. And honestly what we consider appropriate is subjective and relative. The only people we should be concerned about when sharing information is ourselves really and let people say what they desire.

Aquarius Rising
Sun/Mercury/Pluto in the 8th

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BelligerentPygmy
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posted December 06, 2011 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amowls**:
[B] See, I don't judge other people like that. "A sl*t is just someone who has slept with more people than you."~~


That's cute and...incredibly nonsensical and silly.

I'm a virgin and anyone who isn't, obviously has gotten laid more than I have, and no I don't think they're all sl*ts, not even the ones who've gotten laid more than a few times, just the ones who take it to an extreme and have a huuuuge number of past s.exual partners and/or on a regular basis, engage in s.exual activity with people they don't know (or barely know), or don't love.

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To be fair, though, you're not REALLY stopping if you go back. You're just delaying/pausing and taking a break.

I don't mean to be insulting or anything, but I am intrigued: how do you justify your own snooping and prying, but you can't stand it when others do it? How do you see it as different when they do it as opposed to when you do it? Do you feel like your motives are different than theirs, and that this makes it OK? (Again, not trying to be insulting, but I am genuinely curious and, if you're comfortable with explaining, am genuinely interested to hear the rationale behind it).


RegardesPlatero - Great post. That's exactly where my head is at when it comes to people who pry but guard their own privacy.

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Malena
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posted December 06, 2011 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Malena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a Scorpio and have always been pretty private/introverted - my mom said I was this way even when I was a kid.

I wouldn't quite say that I'm intimidated when people push or pry into my business, but I do resent it and freeze people out. My moon is in the 12th house, and I just process my emotions privately. I am the classic example of someone who doesn't get angry on the spot, I get angry when I go home later that day and I've had time to think about it. If you ask me "hey, aren't you angry?" before I've gotten to that point, my reaction is that you should butt out until I'm at the point where I can talk about it.

I don't have a problem with throwing out "trial balloons" in a conversation. I.e. if we are coming to a sensitive topic like politics, religion, sex, etc. I will bring up a topic in a sideways fashion. That way if the other person wants to go there, they have an opening to push the conversation in that direction. If they don't, then I drop it. I'm okay with testing boundaries, but I generally don't push them.

Oddly I have sort of the opposite problem where people will sometimes randomly confide in me without my asking. Like... I think I'm a pretty good listener and I do my best not to be a jerk, but sometimes I'm wondering "Why did you pick me to tell your life story to?"

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Betty Boop
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posted December 06, 2011 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hide things about myself that I feel are really of no concern to others... first of all because they don't affect them personally... and secondly because I'm not interested in their advice or opinion regarding these things.
Once you tell someone something - they have the prerogative to *comment*.
Sometimes I genuinely don't want to hear 'it' (whatever they have to say) at all ^

The reason I've become this way is because whenever I was an open book in the past I was backstabbed either accidentally or intentionally by people who couldn't mind their own business and became way to involved in my life.. and in particular in my romantic relationships. Someone - (I think it was Belligerent) - said.. on a different thread... that this can feel like *paparazzi*.. That's exactly what it felt like.
For some reason my love life is so damn interesting to ppl... that as soon as they find something out it becomes 'gossip' for the month & they simply must get involved.

My Mercury is in Pisces (= secretive)
My Mars is conj Neptune (= extra secretive)
My Sun is in Aries.. (= disinterest in outside opinions regarding my private life & important decisions in my life - it's the opposite of Libra.. which points to gathering opinions before making decisions)

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Betty Boop
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posted December 06, 2011 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are people very close to me though like my mom, who I don't hide anything at all from... because they are never judgmental and they actually give great advice.

Interesting fact: They often have Gemini Moon ^

Although Gemini is meant to be a gossip-queen (when afflicted) - a *good* - un-afflicted Gemini placement can be a great psychologist.
Also Gemini falls in my 12th house.

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sand
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posted December 07, 2011 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
very private. in my graduation my classmates thought my parents were my brother and sister lol!

there's a lot you can say without revealing anything. i do not like it when people know to much about me. i probably move on if i feel i have revealed too much or we are too close according to my standards.

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