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lindisfarne
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posted December 08, 2011 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto/Saturn aspects?

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posted December 08, 2011 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bullying, probably repressed emotions (scorpion + 12th house planets), repressed mars.

Like mars in 12th house or sth.
Also probably something like a mars square uranus.

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posted December 08, 2011 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Remember this is the 2nd shooting at the same location. Mercury is also rx so it's like a return to the same place, same thing.

Also keep in mind all this is building to the eclipse which is in a couple of days.

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lindisfarne
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posted December 08, 2011 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does mercury have to do with the shooting? *curious*

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posted December 08, 2011 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Often themes repeat themselves when planets go rx, or also right as they shift from rx. I am really curious now about the 1st shooting because I wonder how Merc rules in.

ALSO! I just remembered - Uranus went direct 2 days ago! A lot's going on.............

It would be totally interesting to look at the shooter's chart and see what transits he had going on and how he was affected.

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posted December 08, 2011 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uranus goes direct on the 10th, same day as the eclipse.

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posted December 08, 2011 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh ok. good to know.

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posted December 09, 2011 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for defeat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's a list of school shooters http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/weird/kids1/index_1.html
you can look up their charts.
i'll do it later if no one else does.

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anuary 1979 — Brenda Spencer, 17, got a rifle for Christmas and used it to shoot into an elementary school across the street from her home in San Diego, California. Eight children and a police officer were injured, and two men lost their lives protecting the kids. When the six-hour standoff finally ended, Brenda explained with a shrug, "I don't like Mondays."

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March 2, 1987 — Nathan Ferris, 12, was an honor student in Missouri, where he finally got tired of being teased. He brought a pistol to school and when a classmate made fun of him, he killed the other boy. Then he turned the gun on himself. He had warned a friend not to attend school that day, signaling his plans, but no one had listened to this overweight loner.

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lindisfarne
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posted December 09, 2011 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why are they considered serial killers lol

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posted December 09, 2011 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for defeat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
now that i did the charts i realize the importance of houses..
lot's of people have these aspects....
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posted December 09, 2011 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MyVirgoMask:
Remember this is the 2nd shooting at the same location. Mercury is also rx so it's like a return to the same place, same thing.

Also keep in mind all this is building to the eclipse which is in a couple of days.


Yes, I think the eclipse intensifies the negative energies in that place. Remember Mars in Virgo squares this Lunar eclipse.
Such a shame...

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posted December 09, 2011 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They aren't serial killers. They are technically mass murderers.

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posted December 09, 2011 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
They aren't serial killers. They are technically mass murderers.

Yeah sounds about right lol

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posted December 09, 2011 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 10, 2011 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting article: http://astropost.blogspot.com/2011/01/mars-and-saturn-in-synastry.html?m=1

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posted December 10, 2011 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MyVirgoMask:
Often themes repeat themselves when planets go rx,

So, do individual's life also kinda go on repeat mode when planets go rx? My astrology knowledge is limited so any insight is greatly appreciated.


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posted December 10, 2011 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow i also have all sorts of Pluto Saturn and Uranus aspects, plus Saturn in 12th House. The difference is that I do my shooting on a computer monitor, and the killing stops when I exit the game I'm playing.

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posted December 10, 2011 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Bullying is a huge problem.

No, bringing a gun and killing people is not a good solution to that, but in all honesty, as someone who was excluded and made fun of as a child, I can sympathize with feeling hurt, feeling like no one cares or listens to you, knowing that the bullies get away with what they do, feeling isolated and like a freak.

I hate this myth (and it is a myth) that children are sweet and innocent, especially girls. NOT true. Children are just like adults in this sense: some are good, some are bad, some in-between. People are always shocked when things like this happen, but, honestly, do they never stop to think about how the way that you treat a person can influence that person?

Yes, the shooters pull the trigger, and yes, they could have and should have chosen a different way of dealing with their problems, but the bullies too are responsible. They knowingly and willfully chose to break someone down and belittle someone, to the point of damaging their mental and emotional health. They are guilty too--not in the same way as the shooters, but they aren't completely innocent.

We need to address bullying and exclusion early on and have zero tolerance for those things. We need to stop making excuses for the cruel things that (some, not all) kids do and stop rationalizing it as "kids being kids". Children need to be taught early on that it's NOT acceptable to treat others this way.

On the astrology side, since Pluto/12th house were mentioned, I have Venus conjunct Pluto in Scorpio, 12th house. As a teen, I was moody, miserable, and was hurting a lot. My way of acting out was verbal--yelling, saying awful things. (Happened again briefly in my early 20s when I went through a very rough time for two years). I'm in my mid-20s now and am happier and healthier, but it took a LOT to get to where I am now. Having two other placements in water, plus a Libra sun/Mercury, I am a very sensitive person and being socially excluded is very, very painful for me. It's not something that's easy to overcome, and I can understand (not condone, but understand) how and why some people can't overcome it, especially if they aren't as lucky as I am and they *don't* find good people around them at some point who make up for the bad people of the past.


Whats even worse is that there are children who grow up to be bullies.

IMO, i don't think Bullying is a novelty everyone becomes a victim and sometimes they become the perpetrators. I was bullied for a bit in my childhood but I don't really let it color my entire being, it made me stronger. I don't know, even as a kid, I was self-sufficient/taught not to let them get to me, I wouldn't call it "ignoring" but thats virtually what happened.
Its funny because as I continued to ignore/do my own thing the same people that bullied me turns out they wanted to be my friend badly.

Maybe there's a reason why some people attract bullies more than others? i wonder about that too - astrologically.

I think people, anyone can overcome it. It takes a special kind of umph within you to see it and follow that path. I think some people are just naturally born with the "I dont give a f*ck" attitude, some more than others. But I think overcoming it is AN OPTION. Shooting people up is downright degenerative

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posted December 10, 2011 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Wow i also have all sorts of Pluto Saturn and Uranus aspects, plus Saturn in 12th House. The difference is that I do my shooting on a computer monitor, and the killing stops when I exit the game I'm playing.

LOL

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posted December 10, 2011 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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LOL

Mr. X, the children in our kindergarten class are sharing what their parents do for fun. "I steal cars, beat up Hos and shoot cops for fun... On my computer". Lol.

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posted December 10, 2011 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Mr. X, the children in our kindergarten class are sharing what their parents do for fun. "I steal cars, beat up Hos and shoot cops for fun... On my computer". Lol.

So strange because last night I watched a crime show and the episode featured related to teenagers playing violent video games, except one kid actually acted out the video game into real life, and murdered an innocent woman, and he tried to play it off as "I didn't know it wasn't real, i just thought it was the game" LOL

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posted December 10, 2011 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
So strange because last night I watched a crime show and the episode featured related to teenagers playing violent video games, except one kid actually acted out the video game into real life, and murdered an innocent woman, and he tried to play it off as "I didn't know it wasn't real, i just thought it was the game" LOL

And unfortunately, I'm not a teen and I'm almost old enough to be a grandpa.

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posted December 10, 2011 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think they want to make people feel intense pain. Maybe because they have felt intense pain, and seems like nobody cares. So they have so much repressed pain inside them, that the only way they think they can release it, is to actually kill someone because that is the highest level of pain we humans experience.

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