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Lioness
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posted December 09, 2011 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand Heliocentric charts are about your higher self.. But what does that really mean??

So for me, My Leo goes to Aqua

Earth,Moon,Merc in Aqua
Venus in Pisces (sighhh.. figures!)
Mars in Virgo

Do do I look up these meanings an apply them to myself, but HOW??
Like me deeper inner self, that I have to discover???
I dont get it..

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Ceridwen
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posted December 09, 2011 04:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To get started
http://www.earthwalkastrology.com/


From the article:

"3. The Four Zodiacs and Different Planes of Reality
In his fourth book, Astrology: A Language of Life, Volume IV - Relationship
Analysis, this author outlined these four Zodiacs and linked them with the karma of
the space-time continuum as they pertain to human relationships. His research found
that when comparing the nativities of family members, for example, there were
exact conjunctions between the Tropical Zodiac planets in one chart with the
Draconic Zodiac positions in the second chart. The premise here is that an ongoing
soul contract exists between parents, children and siblings who reincarnate into the
same family system from lifetime to lifetime. This Zodiac is lunar based, thus relating
to the karma of ancestral blood lines.

He also found in his research that when two souls end earthly relationships through
either divorce, death, or a parting of the ways, significant links were found between
the Tropical Zodiac angles in one horoscope and the Sidereal Zodiac position of the
planets in the second nativity, or vice versa. Because karma can only manifest on
the Cross of Matter where time and space intersect, and these two Zodiacs are
either time based (Tropical) or space based (Sidereal), the premise here is that a
completion of karma between two souls can be seen through the comparison of the
charts using these two different Zodiacs.

(...)

The Heliocentric Zodiac is infrequently used by astrologers. This Sun-centered
model generates a horoscope that symbolizes one's Christ Consciousness, or one's
Higher Self. This chart, without a Sun position, operates at a level of reality where
there is no individual ego, but only one's Higher Self serving a larger purpose, such
as Love, Truth or Beauty. This writer recommends viewing the Heliocentric nativity
as representing all that is virtuous within the individual, as if he were operating from
pure Spirit. These horoscopes are calculated using Natural Houses, where 00? Aries
is rising, and as such, house positions of the planets are transcendental in nature, as
they are not bound by an earthly Ascendant or Midheaven. The position of the
Earth in these charts is 180? opposite the position of the Sun in a Tropical nativity,
as if it were a reflection of Spirit.

The following table illustrates this multi-dimensional model of the four Zodiacs:
SOUL LEVEL ZODIAC ORIGIN PLANE OF REALITY
4 HELIOCENTRIC SOLAR CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS
3 SIDEREAL SPACE COMPLETION OF KARMA
2 TROPICAL TIME PRESENT INCARNATION
1 DRACONIC LUNAR ONGOING SOUL CONTRACT
In this table showing a four-level model for the different planes of reality, the
sequence goes from a lunar-based Zodiac to a time-derived one, then to a spacebased
level, and finally to one that is solar-derived. It is this author's thesis that multidimensional
relationship analysis, involving the Draconic, Tropical, Sidereal and
Heliocentric Zodiacs, is not only accurate for determining past life soul contracts
between family members, but also for ascertaining any completing relational karma
between two souls. At the highest level of human attainment is one's Christ
Consciousness, seen most clearly through the Heliocentric Zodiac nativity."

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Ceridwen
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posted December 09, 2011 07:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally I was wondering if the the Heliocentric relates to an "ideal", your pure spiritual Self, how it is (or would be) without the earthly conditionng, the "best possible You", your highest potential.

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mintgirl123
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posted December 09, 2011 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woah! I'm a pisces moon lol and a sag venus and cap merc and still a virgo mars lol.

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Ceridwen
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posted December 09, 2011 07:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would pay more attention to the exact conjunctions to the tropical than the signs alone though, or even exact aspects in the helio itself.
Well in my helio chart only Mars changes from Sag to Scorpio, all other stay in the same sign, just different degrees.

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StelliumH6
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posted December 09, 2011 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StelliumH6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Him - Heliocentric Chart: Jupiter 26 Libra
Tropical Natal Chart: Moon 26 Libra

Me - Heliocentric Chart: Earth 4 Leo CONJUNCT Moon 4 Leo

What do both of these aspects mean to us individually?

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Mermaid
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posted December 09, 2011 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mermaid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceridwen,

From what you have said,I understand that we do our helio to our tropical and also the aspects within the helio itself but not helio to helio or helio to tropical of another person.

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Ceridwen
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posted December 09, 2011 10:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mermaid,

We can do it all, though have to be aware that helio to helio of another person is just highlighting how the Higher Selves are "in talk"; if there are no conjunctions to the tropical, we might not get aware of the connection though.

And if only one person`s tropical has tight conjunctions to the helio, it might indicate that only one person is aware of the spiritual connection.

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Ceridwen
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posted December 09, 2011 10:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Him - Heliocentric Chart: Jupiter 26 Libra
Tropical Natal Chart: Moon 26 Libra"

Whenever he is tapping into his Moon, when he is nurturing others or tunes into his own emotions, he opens the gateway to spiritual growth.
The other way round we could also see how some kind of spiritual philosophical support is flowing from his spirit into and through his emotions.

"Me - Heliocentric Chart: Earth 4 Leo CONJUNCT Moon 4 Leo"
Yes, they are always on the same degree; that is so because from the perspective of the Sun EARTH and MOON are so close to each other that they are actually ONE. Which is kinda fitting, since the Moon really is a part of earth that split during the young years of this planet.

And this is always opposite your tropical Sun.


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athenegoddess
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posted December 09, 2011 10:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Heliocentric chart:

Earth 13 Sagittarius
Moon 13 Sagittarius
Venus 24 Sagittarius
Neptune 14 Sagittarius
Saturn 4 Sagittarius
Uranus 4 Sagittarius

Mercury 17 Capricorn
Mars 13 Capricorn (exactly conjunct my IC)

Jupiter 23 Aries

Pluto 17 Libra

Sabians:
Sagittarius 14. The Pyramids and the Sphinx. Keywords: culture, wisdom, education, erudition, values that last forever, a stable and powerful personality, principles.

Capricorn 14. An ancient bas-relief carved in granite. Keywords: art, skill, value, foundation, work is a creation which will last long time.


...Very interesting to think about.

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Ceridwen
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posted December 09, 2011 11:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How did you experience the ecclipse on 4th january 2011?

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athenegoddess
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posted December 09, 2011 11:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a spiritual awakening.

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Ceridwen
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posted December 09, 2011 11:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
makes sense.

how?

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athenegoddess
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posted December 09, 2011 12:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beginning November 2010. Was very broken hearted due to problems with an old flame of mine.

Mid November 2010. Met a new lover. His Ascendant is 11 Capricorn.

Late 2010: New love interest started telling me about the Illuminati and how everything is basically not as it seems. I admit, at first I was skeptical that 9/11 could have been an inside job and to be honest that is not what I ever believed. But I am an open minded person, so he started showing me videos such as 'The Ring of Fire' and 'Zeitgesit'. And after, I wanted to know more.

Early 2011: Started having problems sleeping at night because I became aware of what is coming on 12-21-12. It was like shattering all my dreams for the future. All I could think of was an apocalyptic ending destroying everything and I wondered how I would die during the pole shift. KEEP in mind however, I have known something significant was going to happen on 12-21-12 since 2007, when I first started to deeply study astrology. It's just that this is the year it became solid reality and something I couldn't escape.

Mid 2011 till now: Starting to learn and learn until I couldn't learn anymore. (just kidding im still learning) But.. I figured If I know about this pole shift, I must know for a reason! And I wanted to find out the truth. So then I became acquainted with the Ascended Masters. They guided me to Helena Blavatsky's book 'The Secret Doctrine'... reading it was like having all my previous thoughts and premonitions being validated. And from there on, intense love grows within me as I have now come to the understanding of why I chose to be born in 1988 and why I chose the life experiences that I chose. I cannot put into words the gratitude I feel for any gifts bestowed upon me which result in seeing purely spirit. I am no longer afraid of death. I know that whatever happens is exactly what is meant to, and the day when I am free from my physical restraints, I know the joy I will feel. I can sense it, even if its just a glimpse.


I could go much deeper... because Helena Blavatsky isn't the only thing I read.. And reading isn't the only way I learned.

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Ceridwen
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posted December 09, 2011 12:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for sharing this.

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athenegoddess
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posted December 09, 2011 12:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are most welcome.

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Ceridwen
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posted December 09, 2011 12:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
edit:
my helio chart, with a few asteroids:

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athenegoddess
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posted December 09, 2011 01:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn't it the heliocentric sidereal?

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Ceridwen
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posted December 09, 2011 02:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The one above is the heliocentric tropical chart.


My helio sidereal looks like this:

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Lioness
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posted December 10, 2011 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceridwen

Mind if I ask your opinion...

In Helio Synastry

What do you think of a both way
Venus conjunct Juno
and
Earth/Moon conjunct Mars..

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starrystratosphere
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posted June 09, 2013 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starrystratosphere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
To get started
http://www.earthwalkastrology.com/


From the article:

"3. The Four Zodiacs and Different Planes of Reality
In his fourth book, Astrology: A Language of Life, Volume IV - Relationship
Analysis, this author outlined these four Zodiacs and linked them with the karma of
the space-time continuum as they pertain to human relationships. His research found
that when comparing the nativities of family members, for example, there were
exact conjunctions between the Tropical Zodiac planets in one chart with the
Draconic Zodiac positions in the second chart. The premise here is that an ongoing
soul contract exists between parents, children and siblings who reincarnate into the
same family system from lifetime to lifetime. This Zodiac is lunar based, thus relating
to the karma of ancestral blood lines.

He also found in his research that when two souls end earthly relationships through
either divorce, death, or a parting of the ways, significant links were found between
the Tropical Zodiac angles in one horoscope and the Sidereal Zodiac position of the
planets in the second nativity, or vice versa. Because karma can only manifest on
the Cross of Matter where time and space intersect, and these two Zodiacs are
either time based (Tropical) or space based (Sidereal), the premise here is that a
completion of karma between two souls can be seen through the comparison of the
charts using these two different Zodiacs.

(...)

The Heliocentric Zodiac is infrequently used by astrologers. This Sun-centered
model generates a horoscope that symbolizes one's Christ Consciousness, or one's
Higher Self. This chart, without a Sun position, operates at a level of reality where
there is no individual ego, but only one's Higher Self serving a larger purpose, such
as Love, Truth or Beauty. This writer recommends viewing the Heliocentric nativity
as representing all that is virtuous within the individual, as if he were operating from
pure Spirit. These horoscopes are calculated using Natural Houses, where 00? Aries
is rising, and as such, house positions of the planets are transcendental in nature, as
they are not bound by an earthly Ascendant or Midheaven. The position of the
Earth in these charts is 180? opposite the position of the Sun in a Tropical nativity,
as if it were a reflection of Spirit.

The following table illustrates this multi-dimensional model of the four Zodiacs:
SOUL LEVEL ZODIAC ORIGIN PLANE OF REALITY
4 HELIOCENTRIC SOLAR CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS
3 SIDEREAL SPACE COMPLETION OF KARMA
2 TROPICAL TIME PRESENT INCARNATION
1 DRACONIC LUNAR ONGOING SOUL CONTRACT
In this table showing a four-level model for the different planes of reality, the
sequence goes from a lunar-based Zodiac to a time-derived one, then to a spacebased
level, and finally to one that is solar-derived. It is this author's thesis that multidimensional
relationship analysis, involving the Draconic, Tropical, Sidereal and
Heliocentric Zodiacs, is not only accurate for determining past life soul contracts
between family members, but also for ascertaining any completing relational karma
between two souls. At the highest level of human attainment is one's Christ
Consciousness, seen most clearly through the Heliocentric Zodiac nativity."


awsome information

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Kerosene
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posted June 09, 2013 04:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know how I feel about this..
Especially mars in pisces.

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earthypisces
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posted June 09, 2013 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for earthypisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My heliocentric chart doesn't look very balanced...Earth/Moon/Mars in Leo. Mercury/Venus in Libra.

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Pisces Sun
Capricorn Moon/Venus
Taurus Ascendant
Aquarius Mercury
Leo Mars

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Lioness
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posted September 18, 2013 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump.

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inaworldofsong
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posted September 19, 2013 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for inaworldofsong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn goes from squaring my Sun in the geocentric to squaring my Earth/Moon in the heliocentric. I can't catch a break!

But almost all of my aspects in the heliocentric chart are either minor aspects like quincuxes and semisquares or pretty wide, like 5-9 degrees.

The most notable are:

Mercury trine Saturn (3* orb)
Venus square Chiron (3* orb)
Mars sextile Chiron (1* orb)
Jupiter sextile Uranus (exact)
Jupiter sextile Neptune (3* orb)
Uranus conjunct Neptune (3* orb)
Jupiter conjunct Pluto (2* orb)
Uranus sextile Pluto (2* orb)

My "highest level of human attainment" sounds kind of boring and indistinct, tbh.

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