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psytaurus
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posted December 10, 2011 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for psytaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was reading about my Venus and I found this:
quote:
The Yod to this Venus placement is formed by the inconjuncts from Scorpio and
Capricorn, and it is from these two signs that the individual realizes how the fulfillment of love with manifest.

So I decided to google it to see more about it and I found a site/blog who said if I have Scorpio in 2nd house and Capricorn on the 4th my Yod will be in in Cancer.
I'm confused. What does it mean? How important is it?

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Xiiro
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posted December 10, 2011 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by psytaurus:
I was reading about my Venus and I found this:
[quoeteThe Yod to this Venus placement is formed by the inconjuncts from Scorpio and
Capricorn, and it is from these two signs that the individual realizes how the fulfillment of love with manifest.

So I decided to google it to see more about it and I found a site/blog who said if I have Scorpio in 2nd house and Capricorn on the 4th my Yod will be in in Cancer.
I'm confused. What does it mean? How important is it?
[/QUOTE]


My understanding of Yods are that they consist of two sextiling planets which both share an inconjunction with a third planet. So for example:

if you have Moon in Scorpio 6th House, 60 degrees from Jupiter in Capricorn in your 8th House, then both planets interact via a sextile relationship.

If however, both Jupiter and the Moon also experience the tension of an inconjunct to Venus in Gemini 1st House, the nature of their sextile relationship will often involve learning to resolve their shared stressful relationship to Venus.

In a way this exaggerates the relationship between all three planets. The point opposing Venus is considered a release point for the tension and represents how the Yod is unlocked. If you have a planet in opposition, it should play an integral part in The resolution of the Yod's tension.

Here is how the above situation could play out -

The person has a deep emotional need to investigate others in order to provide a personal connection and service. They then utilize the data they collect from individual experiences to broaden their own practical understanding of how we make lasting impressions on people's spirit/psyche/lasting internal processes.

Contrary to this dynamic is a strong love of movement, information, and communication. The native sees the self as a gatherer and mover of information and values the acts of thinking, talking, and generally playing with knowledge. This creates a problem with the previous process because it desires deep understanding of experiences and measures it's evolution by the constructive and lasting impression it leaves on others.

The native may see moments of frustration because they desire to know others, yet grow bored of people when they become too heavy. They may feel they learn too slowly and wish to retain or communicate data just for fun, but feel that they are acting uncomfortably or ignorantly if they are not attempting to be deeply involved.

If the person has Pluto in Sagittarius 7th House, opposed Venus, they can then use the fundamental urge within them to rise above and uplift relationships, as a way to mellow out the seriousness of the relationships between the Yod planets. They may use Sagittarian foresight to determine appropriate situations for social play and and deep connection. They may find their relationships force them to find a balance between the two energies.

Once balance is found the native learns to synthesize very contrary forces into a working dynamic. The reason Yods are so spiffy (and difficult) is because they take two planets which generally share a working elemental relationship and introduce the irritation of a planet which does not share duplicity, element, or quality. The challenge is to teach us how to synthesize contrary forces into a functional relationship.

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posted December 10, 2011 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome explanation, bookmark-worthy.

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posted December 10, 2011 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by psytaurus:
I was reading about my Venus and I found this:
[quoeteThe Yod to this Venus placement is formed by the inconjuncts from Scorpio and
Capricorn, and it is from these two signs that the individual realizes how the fulfillment of love with manifest.

So I decided to google it to see more about it and I found a site/blog who said if I have Scorpio in 2nd house and Capricorn on the 4th my Yod will be in in Cancer.
I'm confused. What does it mean? How important is it?
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This might sound like a dumb question, but sometimes the dumb questions, need to be asked....

But do you actually have planets in Scorpio and Capricorn? Because I noticed you didn't say specifically "I have my VEnus here and inconjuncts with these planets in Cap and Scorpio."

I noticed you only mentioned houses and cusps, and that's not how yods work. They only involve planets, and/or chiron. Although the Chiron one is iffy; it depends on who you ask. Some astrologers count yods with Chiron in them, some don't.

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psytaurus
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posted December 10, 2011 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for psytaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much, Xiiro! I thought I was supposed to draw depth from Scorpio and focus and determination from Capricorn and "want to learn" from Gemini and it would be great. But it sounds more like being pulled in three directions. Plus they called it the "Finger of God" and that didn't sound that bad.

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
This might sound like a dumb question, but sometimes the dumb questions, need to be asked....

But do you actually have planets in Scorpio and Capricorn? Because I noticed you didn't say specifically "I have my VEnus here and inconjuncts with these planets in Cap and Scorpio."

I noticed you only mentioned houses and cusps, and that's not how yods work. They only involve planets, and/or chiron. Although the Chiron one is iffy; it depends on who you ask. Some astrologers count yods with Chiron in them, some don't.


I think I have something:
Pluto retrograde in Scorpio (2nd house; 10°57'51) sextile Neptune retrograde in Capricorn (4th house; 9°59'12) Mercury in Gemini (9th house; 8°11'14)quincunx Neptune and quincunx Pluto. So this is it, I think. It fits with what Xiiro said.
But I thought my Venus should draw insights from Scorpio and Capricorn and it doesn't work like that, I understand it know.
I'm really sorry for the mix-up.

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Xiiro
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posted December 10, 2011 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by psytaurus:

I think I have something:
Pluto retrograde in Scorpio (2nd house; 10°57'51) sextile Neptune retrograde in Capricorn (4th house; 9°59'12) Mercury in Gemini (9th house; 8°11'14)quincunx Neptune and quincunx Pluto.


Cool, a severe lesson in discovering what is real and what is fabricated. Your sextile is by two retrograde planets so their energy is internalized. The Yod seems to be asking you to be the judge based on what you can sense to be real, what you have experienced as real, and what you think you believe to be real. Keep your eye out for Planets crossing over Sag 8 degrees, they will ignite the release point for your Yod. =)

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Cecile
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posted December 10, 2011 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cecile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Xiiro or anyone else: I have yods in a composite. Do you think you could you might be able to offer an interpretation?

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wfg363
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posted December 10, 2011 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wfg363     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These are some of the clearest explanations of the yod I have read (and I look for information a lot). I was talking to one astrologer who said that she noticed many people with yods have trouble relating to other people (I guess either intimately or as a whole).

I'm still trying to figure out mine. I have moon in sag 3rd house sextile retro aquarius saturn in 5th both quincunx my MC and sun conjunction in cancer (sun in 9th).

I feel like sag and aquarius both have a love for people and humanity as a whole and understand them, but have trouble with intimate relationships and relating to individuals (which I do). These seem to work well together (simplified, adventurous and encompassing sag with humanitarian and eccentric aquarius...though I'm not sure how saturn works there). But then my sun in cancer conjunct MC makes me want those intimate relationships and acceptance and acknowledgement by people and to care for people as individuals. Then I have a retro cap uranus in 4th opposite my sun/mc which makes me resent other people's social structures and limited views (though usually perceived instead of actual).

Does it sound like I understand how it works a little? Or is that off? And sorry to put such a long post on someone else's thread lol. I apologize.

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Xiiro
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posted December 10, 2011 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wfg363:
These are some of the clearest explanations of the yod I have read (and I look for information a lot). I was talking to one astrologer who said that she noticed many people with yods have trouble relating to other people (I guess either intimately or as a whole).

I'm still trying to figure out mine. I have moon in sag 3rd house sextile retro aquarius saturn in 5th both quincunx my MC and sun conjunction in cancer (sun in 9th).

I feel like sag and aquarius both have a love for people and humanity as a whole and understand them, but have trouble with intimate relationships and relating to individuals (which I do). These seem to work well together (simplified, adventurous and encompassing sag with humanitarian and eccentric aquarius...though I'm not sure how saturn works there). But then my sun in cancer conjunct MC makes me want those intimate relationships and acceptance and acknowledgement by people and to care for people as individuals. Then I have a retro cap uranus in 4th opposite my sun/mc which makes me resent other people's social structures and limited views (though usually perceived instead of actual).

Does it sound like I understand how it works a little? Or is that off? And sorry to put such a long post on someone else's thread lol. I apologize.


I think that sounds like a good understanding of a lot of the dynamic. I think the key really exists in considering the individual aspects as a whole pattern.

Planet A and Planet B are sextile so their relationship is a cooperative one which utilizes each other's strengths. Both A & B share an inconjunct to Planet C so they are often bothered by or caught up in dealing with the urges of C.

I read something cool a while back about inconjuncts, the writer compared Inconjuncts to oppositions, however stated that oppositions feel like the planets involved, feel left out when only one is being focused on. We feel as though we must take equal and valid turns with both energies. In the case of ASC vs DSC, people often feel they must have time to explore the self, yet also have the urge to explore others. Those who master a "balanced" understanding of this axis learn to give value to both sides of the opposition and find a healthy middle ground. In the case of a square, the planets must often learn to know each other deeply, take turns, respect, be courteous of, and enhance each other. There is an understanding that the planets involved come from different places but can use their differences to create a greater spectrum. In the case of the ASC/DSC axis vs the MC/IC axis, many feel it is important to relate with our self and others, however the experiences of the past and the experiences which we strive to have in the future, may stand in our way of building those relationships. We must often learn to use our past as a foundation for "healthy" relationship choices, and include our relationships with self and others in our aspirations. Otherwise we constantly live in the past with an old image of our self/others, or constantly live in the future with an idealized image of self/others.

The inconjunct feels similar to the separation of the opposition and demands a compromise like the square, but the difference is, inconjuncts feel as though no functional compromise may be made. Because of this feeling that there is no way to reconcile these energies, the native has an either/or perspective (I have to be this way sometimes, or I have to be that way sometimes) similar to personality split. The inconjunct is generally 5/12ths of the wheel, so it affiliates with Piscean/Neptune principals. Pisces lessons are often about struggling against the current, or ignoring what you feel needs to be done and just letting the current take you away. The inconjunct may feel like a stupid or frustrating aspect of the self which will never get resolved. Like Pisces, we can choose to just live with the frustrating illusion that nothing can be done about the elephant in the room, or we can struggle against the current, throw a saddle on the back of the elephant, and learn to ride that B!tch. In this way, people say inconjuncts require "adjustment". A change must be made in one's way of viewing the planetary relationship in order for a synthesis to result.

I think they also gave an example of a mother with Moon inconjunct Venus. She may have a hard time understanding how to exist as a mother to her children and a lover to her partner in the same space. She may believe one must trump the other, or that she is a victim of having to decide. Those of us who don't have this problem, understand that there is a right place and a right time for both and in the times between "adjustments" must be made based on the individual circumstance. We must take things on a case by case basis, respond to the moment, and be willing to forgive our self and try again when we fail, instead of just giving up or making believe we didn't fail.

Hopefully that helps, it was very helpful for me.

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posted March 25, 2012 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for s4nd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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MataMoros
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posted March 25, 2012 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MataMoros     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmm thanks. I still dont understood hah

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posted March 25, 2012 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think of the Quincunx or inconjunct aspect as being the "maverick aspect". It is especially powerful in a yod. The energy flow between the planets stimulates you to explore original/ eccentric/ unconventional/ freethinking/ non-conformist or even rebellious ways of integrating the energies.
This is because the two energies are foreign to each other and can only come together in strange ways. There is a searching and probing feel to the energy, somewhat restless due to a constant need for adjustment and refinement.

When expressed negatively - taking rebellion and non-conformity too far, the result is potentially disruptive behavior and ideas. The kind of person who becomes a loose cannon or alienated due to being out of sync with the norm.

But when expressed well, there is a potential to reach a deep level of understanding about very different sides of yourself, together with a sensitivity and an awareness of how to function in an original, unorthodox, independent way that breaks new ground. The energy is unique and does not copy anybody else. It facilitates an ongoing series of intense (yep, there is tension involved) creative leaps of faith, based on continuous experimentation and adjustment.

It is different to the talent expressed by the trine, which is relaxed and does not ruffle feathers and goes with the flow, or to the quintile which is has a more playful, romantic, joyful, exciting, mentally stimulating creative flavour.

When there is a yod, with two planets in sextile both quincunx a third, you have "the finger of god" aspect. The apex of the yod is a point of paradox in your life, your elusive personal holy grail... which btw ... you will never firmly grasp but you will develop a unique and creative insight into due to your continuous, restless chase (that is if frustration and unorthodox approaches don't get the better of you - the best weapon to avoid this is a sense of humour, and to remember that it is the journey not the goal that is important!). The two sextile planets represent what is at your disposal to help you in your quest in pursuit of your objective.

For example I have a yod involving Jupiter in Aries in the 12th sextile Sun in Gemini in the 2nd both quincunx Neptune in Scorpio in the 7th. From this you can see that my personal holy grail is to find the perfect relationship, my ideal (Neptune) relationship (7th) where I can connect on a deep and intense level (Scorpio). The finger of God tells me that this yearning will remain elusive throughout my life, I will be constantly refining and adjusting my idea of what consititutes a "perfect" relationship, but never find it. En route, however I will develop some unique and creative perspectives which will result in tremendous growth in my insight over that area of life, provided that frustration does not lead me astray. At my disposal in the quest will be a capacity for exuberant (Jupiter) and fearless (Aries) spiritual adventures(12th) combined with a strong drive (sun) and curiousity (Gemini) to integrate this with my sense of self-worth and what is valuable to me (2nd).

Does this help?

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Doux Rêve
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posted March 25, 2012 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xiiro, Taineberry, you guys are awesome!

Very informative, thank you.

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Taineberry
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posted March 26, 2012 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Doux

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