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Topic: Grand Cross and your experience
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amelia28
Knowflake Posts: 1021
From: dumont, CO
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted December 13, 2011 03:19 AM
  
Anyone on this board happen to have a grand cross in their chart? If so it sounds like is an extremely challenging aspect since it involves 4 squares interconnected which form a square in your natal chart. What has been your experience so far with this aspect?IP: Logged |
popcorn
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Registered: Aug 2009
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posted December 13, 2011 04:42 AM
Ive one friend with a grandcross including saturn, jupiter, uran, mercury. He is an much much introvert and intelligent man... He love hard work and he went through more hard test than noone I know. He is the person who manage hard test more than anyone Ive met....I love his strenght.IP: Logged |
Taineberry
Knowflake Posts: 389
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Registered: Jun 2011
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posted December 13, 2011 05:28 AM
I got an angular grand cross...which involves
-Saturn (Aquarius/10th house),
-Mercury/Venus (Taurus/1st house),
-Mars/Uranus (Virgo/4th house) and also conjunct Pluto but too wide for config.
-Moon (Scorpio/7th house). Moon is also conjunct Neptune (orb 4.46) but Neptune is too wide to be part of the config.Saturn at 23Aqu07
OPPOSITE
Mars at 0 Vir57 and Uranus 1Vir28 Moon at 18Sco17
OPPOSITE
Venus at 20Tau35 and Mercury 22Tau46 Orbs as follows, taking Saturn as the lead planet...
SATURN/MERCURY - ORB 0.20 (SQUARE)
SATURN/VENUS - ORB 2.31 (SQUARE)
SATURN/MOON - ORB 4.49 (SQUARE)
SATURN/MARS - ORB 7.47 (OPPOSITE)
SATURN/URANUS - ORB 8.21 (OPPOSITE)
.... etc. Anyway, you can see, some of the orbs to Mars/Uranus get quite wide, so you be the judge if it "counts".
But finally getting to the point, assuming it is a "real" grand cross ... it feels like this: My personal goals (1st house), relationships (7th house), public life (10th house) and family life (4th house) are in a state of continual tension. I want to satisfy it all and feel that I fail miserably on every count, it is exhausting - something like swimming against a strong tide. I am extremely self critical and hard on myself (Saturn)and when I was young this tendency was almost crippling, although I have learnt to accept this much more philosophically with time. I want to look like everyone's sweet-natured intelligent lady (merc/ven 1st house), but my scorpio moon/neptune is more interested one-on-one dark, intense passionate emotional engagemement tinged with a hefty dose of idealism, and at the same time my mars/uranus relentlessly drives me delve into the very foundation of my private world. I do love my home, but it is the 4th house foundations and depths of the psyche that intrigues me more than anything - nothing is too strange for me here! The result ... a life plagued with inner anxiety, panic attacks, palpitations, emotional turmoil, doubts, inner conflict, outer obstacles and indecision to be sure ... but SOMEHOW not looking too bad from at outsider's perspective. Solid education, good career, financially fine, nice home, married 27 years, plenty friends, 3 fantastic children. And even more strangely, people have remarked that I always look stable, calm, relaxed and happy. WHAAT???? REALLY??? IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted December 13, 2011 07:04 AM
You describe as I always known...Its difficult to be succesful.
Succesful people has hard aspect in their chart.IP: Logged |
enchantress299
Knowflake Posts: 346
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Registered: May 2009
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posted December 13, 2011 08:51 PM
I personally don't have a natal grand cross (although, I do technically have a grand cross right now with Chiron and Neptune transiting the point opposite my T-square). However, my mother has a grand cross and one of my close friends has a grand cross. I have immense respect for them both, because the one significant feature that has stood out to me about them both is that they have had significantly difficult circumstances to deal growing up and in their adulthood. What's strange, is that it seems like no matter what they seem to do, or how they seem to try to pull themselves out of the hole (so to speak), something else continually comes to knock them back down. For my friend, these were more external events. For my mother, it seems more like significant internal blocks based on the past experiences of her childhood. However, both of them have managed to maintain a relatively positive attitude and they are both still very caring towards others (they don't seem to carry the bitterness that I often see in people who might have run into the same circumstances). I will say though, it does seem like they are constantly in a state of tension. As a result, I tend to see the grand cross as one giant block, right on the natal chart, and it often keeps the individual 'suspended,' in a way, waiting for the next thing to happen. Does that make sense? IP: Logged |
amelia28
Knowflake Posts: 1021
From: dumont, CO
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted December 13, 2011 09:47 PM
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... but SOMEHOW not looking too bad from at outsider's perspective. Solid education, good career, financially fine, nice home, married 27 years, plenty friends, 3 fantastic children. And even more strangely, people have remarked that I always look stable, calm, relaxed and happy. WHAAT???? REALLY???[/B]
It sounds like you have managed to work with all these different opposing energies hence why people view you as been successful but it takes so much hard work from your part to balance all these different aspects of your life that how you feel inside is not what you project. It seems like you are doing well but takes a lot from you so you FEEL like you are not doing as well as you actually are and is evident to others. IP: Logged |
yuting
Knowflake Posts: 390
From: Hong Kong
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted December 14, 2011 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by popcorn:
You describe as I always known...Its difficult to be succesful.
Succesful people has hard aspect in their chart.
Comfortable charts make for comfortable energy flows. Hard to be too good or too bad. Tough charts are challenging, those who overcome the challenges receive noticeable success, those who fail have very miserable lives (or make others' lives very miserable) High risk high return theory IP: Logged |
amelia28
Knowflake Posts: 1021
From: dumont, CO
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted December 14, 2011 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by yuting:
Comfortable charts make for comfortable energy flows. Hard to be too good or too bad. Tough charts are challenging, those who overcome the challenges receive noticeable success, those who fail have very miserable lives (or make others' lives very miserable)High risk high return theory
Good way to portray the two different ways a grand cross can manifest itself. Thanks for sharing. IP: Logged | |
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