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Topic: Tell me about moon square pluto in natal
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mintgirl123
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posted December 13, 2011 07:27 PM
  
Is it similar to a scorpio moon?
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sand
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posted December 14, 2011 05:56 AM
think it's that hades moon thing that makes it equal to moon in scorpio. also moon in 8th i believe. i have moon square pluto but think i am still different from scorpio mooners. IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted December 14, 2011 06:18 AM
Are you in any way manipulative? Did you have issues with your mother? Are you kinda untrusting and very self protective?IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted December 14, 2011 06:24 AM
Some people with this aspect deny their emotions because they are too intense to deal with. They just cut them off.
Others actually feel them deeply, intensely, and may scare others or even themselves.
Actually I think most people with this aspect alternate between feeling too much and feeling nothing. Either way, they are emotionally intense individuals.I don't know if Scorpio Moon can be compared to a Moon Pluto aspect.
They both share some similar characteristics (suspicious, broody, can be jealous, control/power is an important issue, trust issues, etc.) but the way they express these characteristics won't be the same.
You still have to consider the sign of Moon and Pluto and the houses they're in.
I guess the issues may be similar but the way they are expressed are not. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 14, 2011 01:42 PM
It's stronger than a Scorpio Moon.
Just the same way that Sun conj Neptune people are more Neptunian than those who have their Sun in Pisces.The planet/luminary carries the full force of the dynamic and is very complex, especially when we're dealing with the outer planets.
The sign is a watered down version and is brought down to earth carrying a lot of baggage and is trying to figure out how to best operate. The planet doesn't have to think, it just is, it encompasses all that the energy is about.
The hard aspects are generally stronger than the sextile or trine, depending on orb. The conjunction would be the most obvious, Moon conjunct Pluto no doubt stronger than a plain old Scorpio Moon. IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted December 14, 2011 01:48 PM
What if this moon is a leo and is in the 12th house? (so I can imagine that being HARD, since you know, leo's expressive and 12th house is repressive)Has an orb of like 3 degrees. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 14, 2011 02:08 PM
Moon 16 Cancer
Pluto 19 Libra
Moon is approaching a square to Pluto, an applying aspectMoon 16 Cancer
Pluto 13 Libra
Moon has already made the exact square and is now on its way out, a separating aspect Applying aspects would be stronger than separating. IP: Logged |
pandacake
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posted December 14, 2011 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Some people with this aspect deny their emotions because they are too intense to deal with. They just cut them off.
Others actually feel them deeply, intensely, and may scare others or even themselves.
Actually I think most people with this aspect alternate between feeling too much and feeling nothing.
Oh this feels so true for me! Ignoring this part of me definitely makes life easier. Scorpio Moon H1, Scorpio Pluto H1 and Moon conjuct Pluto here.  IP: Logged |
Heartless
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posted December 14, 2011 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Some people with this aspect deny their emotions because they are too intense to deal with. They just cut them off.
Others actually feel them deeply, intensely, and may scare others or even themselves.
Actually I think most people with this aspect alternate between feeling too much and feeling nothing. Either way, they are emotionally intense individuals.
sometimes i wish i could feel nothing! i've got this placement (Gem moon in H9 and Lib Pluto in H12). it's annoying to have many square and opposition aspects in my chart. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 14, 2011 08:10 PM
^ That's one of the interpretations floating around. That the square feels empty inside. And it makes sense in a way, as Pluto is a killing energy, read positively you can see it as being transformative, and the Moon is the inner landscape. So one negative interpretation is that they feel dead inside.IP: Logged |
Starry~*
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posted December 14, 2011 08:57 PM
What would moon opposite pluto indicate??
Is it more lighter than the square or...?IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 14, 2011 09:29 PM
^ Depends, in an opp you're usually in the beginning acting out one end and attracting the other. Could take on Moon, could take on Pluto. Could even switch! Eventually, ideally, the 2 are integrated so that you don't fall into such extremes.IP: Logged |
sand
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posted December 15, 2011 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Are you in any way manipulative? Did you have issues with your mother? Are you kinda untrusting and very self protective?
manipulative yes and no on the last 2 questions. but it i often see those in readings so some must be true for individuals with this aspect. my moon is in leo too btw square pluto in scorp. quote:
some people with this aspect deny their emotions because they are too intense to deal with. They just cut them off.
Others actually feel them deeply, intensely, and may scare others or even themselves.
Actually I think most people with this aspect alternate between feeling too much and feeling nothing. Either way, they are emotionally intense individuals.
good stuff! i wonder too if a male with this aspect will be the more aloof and the female the one with very strong emotions. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted December 15, 2011 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by sand:
i wonder too if a male with this aspect will be the more aloof and the female the one with very strong emotions.
I was thinking about the same thing.
I usually deal with my strong emotions and let them out in the open, but that's something I've learned, initially I would bottle everything up and try to suppress them. I guess more than the gender it depends on the maturity level of an individual, although I can see why males with this aspect would have a harder time with emotions, since anything related to feelings is considered "feminine". But in my opinion, it's better to deal with them directly than try to repress them, because unexpressed emotions can cause much damage (mood swings, irritation, frustration, etc).
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curiouswoman
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posted December 15, 2011 10:07 PM
this aspect is not at all bad once you study it and apply this to correcting the actions. this aspect says there is a fear to get close to people. in my case, I love intimacy but I am usually very selective on who I trust. very simple. the extreme part about this is that once the trust is broken it's permanent. IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted December 15, 2011 10:10 PM
Lol, I was just talking about this aspect in the "men with problems with mother" thread. It is undoubtedly a very manipulative combination.IP: Logged |
curiouswoman
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posted December 15, 2011 10:50 PM
meryl streep and jennifer aniston and elton john had this aspect.IP: Logged |
Alma Sun
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posted December 15, 2011 11:04 PM
Oh boy..All my siblings and I have natal Moon/Pluto aspects. Me and Aries bro has the square, Cappy bro has the sextile, and Leo bro the quincunx. The repression thing I can definitely see in all of us. Not so much in Cappy though. For example.. when our grandmother passed, we all cried for days. Every one of us except Leo. He didn't cry at all, even though we all knew he wanted to. A week later at her funeral, as soon as he (Leo) saw her lying in the coffin, he started to cry so hard, he was heaving, body convulsing, it was difficult for him to stay for the viewing. All that emotional repression and he ended up exploding.. Cappy was crying quietly the whole time but I honestly felt so numb throughout the whole wake. And I'm sure Aries felt the same.. both of us were pretty emotionless. It wasn't until we saw how Leo reacted that we started to tear up a bit. It was just so painful to watch. ------------------
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Alma Sun
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posted December 15, 2011 11:09 PM
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Some people with this aspect deny their emotions because they are too intense to deal with. They just cut them off.
Others actually feel them deeply, intensely, and may scare others or even themselves.
Actually I think most people with this aspect alternate between feeling too much and feeling nothing. Either way, they are emotionally intense individuals.
True.
And we (my brothers and I) all got mother issues. I think because of that I tend to be very distrustful of women. Kind of working on it. 
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Heartless
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posted December 16, 2011 04:54 PM
thanks
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missblyss
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posted October 23, 2015 11:12 PM
My daughter has this aspect! It makes me so nervous because I know it can often indicate problems with the mother... but my daughter is my world! she has slept in my arms every night since she was born. She has an aries moon squaring pluto. She is 100% INTENSE. I am glad to see that not everyone with this aspect has mother issues.IP: Logged |
Supreme cT
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posted October 23, 2015 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Some people with this aspect deny their emotions because they are too intense to deal with. They just cut them off.
Others actually feel them deeply, intensely, and may scare others or even themselves.
Actually I think most people with this aspect alternate between feeling too much and feeling nothing. Either way, they are emotionally intense individuals
This is me to a T iv been working on not alternating between the two but its hard! Sometimes i feel so much and other times i feel nothing like im heartless BUT my feelings always come back! I mean i have a scorpio sun and mars in cancer so its easier for me to accept the feelings my moon pluto square gives me like im not scared to cry i actually like to let emotions out bottling them up is a big no no for me I also had some mom problems growing up not anymore tho i love her very much but i wouldnt say it was an average relationship for some time with her but now that im more mature i dont let anythinf come between the love i have for my mom IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted October 24, 2015 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by missblyss:
My daughter has this aspect! It makes me so nervous because I know it can often indicate problems with the mother... but my daughter is my world! she has slept in my arms every night since she was born. She has an aries moon squaring pluto. She is 100% INTENSE. I am glad to see that not everyone with this aspect has mother issues.
It can point to over-protectiveness. Be careful with that, too. Children need some independence, and enough freedom and space to develop their own selves (especially as they become teenagers/young adults).
"Plutonian" mothers can sometimes be too smothering and "controlling" of their children, all the while putting themselves in such a position that the child feels somewhat uncared for on a deep level. So it's like you have a mother who gives you "everything", but then expects you to give back or say or do X, Y or Z *because* she gave you so much. Basically, there can be guilt trips, and the child then starts to resent the mother because she seems to give her love conditionally, or tries to (overtly or covertly) control them, etc. I don't want it to sound like you have temper issues, but an Aries Moon often points to a volatile mother (or father, or someone else close to the child) and with Pluto in the mix that can create some really deep resentments over time.
Feel free to disregard this information if you feel like it doesn't apply to you, though. IP: Logged |
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