posted December 16, 2011 03:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Do you see this as Neptunian?

Because Neptune-influence seems happy in chaos and uncertainty. They feel uncomfortable on solid/certain ground.

I see this kind of fear as Saturnian.. Like the priest who follows all the religious rules to a T because he is scared of being punished

Neptune is not for organized religion imo

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You are right! organized religion is more saturnic imo as well...

But neptune still deals with faith but in a more mystical way and jupiter is more metaphysical in its believe in abundance and saturn more about organized religions, rituals and dogmas but saturn is strong bc its realistic and has been forced to count on him or herself and get through things through hard work and persistence.

Even though organized religions does feel more like a saturn thing and neptune is more mystical and spiritual but in a unstructured way, I feel that saturn and pluto are about inner strength for different reasons. Pluto transforms and rises from the ashes. Saturn is very realistic and so understands it has to work hard and persist to make it, survive and get ahead. I still feel that neptune and Jupiter derive strength from faith even though with neptune is in a more mystical way and with jupiter in a more metaphysical way.

Saturn is innately strong but also gets strength from organized religion simultaneously is my sense.

posted December 16, 2011 05:02 AM              

Someone once told me I'm stronger than he is mentally because I won a contest of wills but I don't think that's mental strength...more like stubbornness (which could be from chart being dominated by Fixed modality) or willpower (aspects to Mars).

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

I think it's definitely your dad's Mercury-Jupiter that's doing it for him. Mercury being the mind, thought processes and Jupiter being linked to philosophy and optimism. You nailed it with the phrase 'the power of positive thinking'.

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:Does your dad's Mercury aspect his Neptune? I'm wondering if that has to do with the dishonesty you mentioned.

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I have a Mercury-Neptune conjunction in Sagittarius, 1 degree orb (Detriment for Mercury). One way this plays out for me as a lot of daydreaming, zoning out, and then fuzzy logic afterwards. I'm really bad at lying whenever I try. The sign placement of Mercury probably accounts for that. Sometimes I have a "woe is me" mindset but I attribute that more to being a Capricorn (complainer tendency) than having Mercury-Neptune in Sag. Mercury-Neptune in Sag seems to work similarly to Mercury-Jupiter in Pisces, trying to see the upside of each situation. Nicki Minaj also has Mercury-Neptune as a part of her stellium in Sagittarius along with her Sun. I was watching a documentary about her life and it seems she got to where she is because she's eternally optimistic.

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:But I heal abnormally fast - I got a tattoo and was supposed to expect it to start healing and peeling a week later but was already at that point by the same time the next day. I recover from being sick really quickly too. I have doubts about my pain threshold but it might be better than I think - one time in the doctor's office I was laughing and watching a sitcom on tv while they stuck a long needle into the inside of my wrist to draw blood from the main vein.

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Laughter can be a defense mechanism in many instances, whether it's physical or emotional pain. I personally can't employ it for the former lol...no Jupiter aspect to Mars in my chart.

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
Also it's like my body can withstand alot. I've always had asthma and as a little kid I'd routinely go as long as a week with moderate to severe attacks with little to no treatment. My parents didn't know a whole lot about asthma and neither did I really, so none of us had a clue that it was serious and required immediate medical attention.Somehow my system just took it for days on end and never went out on me or into respiratory arrest.

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:When my mom was sick in the hospital the doctors were surprised because she was so strong - as much damage as she had to her system at that point, her heart refused to stop beating. When it was clear that she wasn't going to get better and after everyone demanded that her ventilator be turned off and her breathing tube removed, her heart STILL kept going for a long time. I think I definitely got it from her.

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posted December 16, 2011 05:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
On the positive side Neptune is deeply spiritual..

Also, nothing much bothers them (as though they are in a constant state of meditation).

Neptune is just un-fussed.. The Neptune-type can go camping for weeks in less-than perfect conditions or stay at the Hiltons.. and they won't feel a big difference. The physical things around them don't seem to matter... They can survive any environment (where Mercurial types would throw in the towel... because sand is too dirty or the water is too cold or it doesn't quite look as clean as Buckingham Palace and so on). So Neptune is resilient in this sense. [/B]

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Exactly - we don't sweat stuff because we know it doesn't matter in the long run, on some level we get that there's a BIGGER POINT to everything.

My brother is one of those types that is always freaking out about everything all the time. One of his favorite jabs to throw at me is "You don't care about anything."

No, I'm just more centered and have a better sense of perspective than that. I think Neptune kinda rules that inner-zen, peace thing. I Thank God that I have it and just feel incredibly bad for those who don't.

Amelia28 - I think religion is more a Jupiter thing. Think of the corrolation between Jupiter and the ninth house. And if you think about the shadow side of Jupiter - self-righteousness, you'll see the link to organized religion even more so. Honestly I think most New-Age 'spirituality' is really just the opposite side of the same coin and therefore, is ninth house/Jupiter territory too.

posted December 16, 2011 05:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
[b]How do y'all define "mental strength"? Is it mental agility? Originality of thought? Fixity - as in not being influenced by others' thoughts/ideas? The ability to think in purely logical terms, not being affected by emotion?

Someone once told me I'm stronger than he is mentally because I won a contest of wills but I don't think that's mental strength...more like stubbornness (which could be from chart being dominated by Fixed modality) or willpower (aspects to Mars).

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My idea of strength is being able to take a lot in an emotional, physical, spiritual, whatever sense, being hard to break. It's also at the same time, that ability to get back up and keep going if you do end up broken. I don't know if that seems contradictory or what, but that's the sum total of what it means to me.

I wasn't saying everybody with Merc-Nep, will automatically have issues with honesty, but obviously that's one way it can manifest, which is what made me ask if the two planets aspected one another in any way in your dad's chart.

I wonder what Jupiter is doing in Minaj's chart.

When I laughed during the medical procedure it wasn't a defense mechanism - they literally had a tv on in the room and I was watching "Sanford and Son" - Red Foxx said something funny so I laughed lol. I happened to glance at the nurse and she had a weird look on her face like she couldn't understand why I was laughing. When she told us what was about to happen she came in with two people that were apparently there strictly to hold me down - I guess most people don't react very well when they're told about the procedure and make a scene during it or something? Dunno.

posted March 29, 2019 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Sun-pluto and mars-pluto I think are the top 2 without a doubt.

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