posted December 15, 2011 08:31 PM            

That been said I am curious about what astrological indicators you all know of that show good potential for intelligence and good judgement.

posted December 15, 2011 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I am perfectly aware that intelligence is the result of genetics interacting with the environment. I Genetics is the potential you are born with and the environment will either enhance that potential or hinder it.

That been said I am curious about what astrological indicators you all know of that show good potential for intelligence and good judgement.

I personally have tsquare involving mercury but I have sun/mercury in virgo conjunct MC which I feel has helped me along with my nice pluto aspects overcome significantly this tsquare but that tsquare definitely made my academic life a struggle during my childhood and as I have grown older it has become less and less of an issue and now at 28 years of age find myself getting straight As which was not the case in childhood, in HS my GPA was 3.0 as well as in undergrad school. Now in grad school is close to a 3.9. I still need to work a lot on my grammar though . Basically those squares involving mercury have been more and more manageable as I age and little by little a weakness is turning into a strength.

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posted December 16, 2011 04:11 AM            

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Ideally, we develop "lateralization." This is the use of the proper hemisphere for the task which we are doing. For example, when we are playing a friendly game of softball (a right-hemisphere activity), we would lose the essence of the game -- the fun -- if we were overly apprehensive regarding left-hemisphere matters such as rules and discipline. And when we are balancing our checkbook (a left-hemisphere activity), we don't want to be distracted by the right hemisphere's fascination with creativity and emotions. In every task, one hemisphere is dominant, but the other hemisphere participates to some extent; for example, we do have rules during the softball game, and we can feel happy when we notice that our bills are not as costly this month. When we understand lateralization, we become more efficient: we can consciously allow and emphasize the correct hemisphere, knowing that the sense-oriented right hemisphere is a better softball player, and the analytical left hemisphere is better in math. We also benefit from knowing which hemisphere to use during a particular stage of a task; for example, during problem-solving, we use the left hemisphere for the information-gathering stage, but we use the right-hemisphere during brainstorming and incubation of the ideas.

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posted December 16, 2011 05:42 AM              

Mercury in Aquarius (Exalted)

"'Testers have only been able to estimate the IQ of Kim Ung-Yong, who was born in Seoul, Korea, on March 7, 1963. His IQ has been placed at exceeding 200. He was fluent in Japanese, Korean, German, and English by his fourth birthday. At four years, eight months he solved complicated calculus problems on Japanese TV. He is considered to be the most brilliant person alive. One factor may be that his parents, both university professors, were born at precisely the same moment: 11:00 a.m., May 23, 1934."

posted December 16, 2011 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
One factor may be that his parents, both university professors, were born at precisely the same moment: 11:00 a.m., May 23, 1934."

How do you like that? Genetics AND astrology.[/B]

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posted December 16, 2011 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Check this out:
http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/cFVf23VTNREM.htm
^Chart of the person with the highest IQ in the world

Mercury in Aquarius (Exalted)

"'Testers have only been able to estimate the IQ of Kim Ung-Yong, who was born in Seoul, Korea, on March 7, 1963. His IQ has been placed at exceeding 200. He was fluent in Japanese, Korean, German, and English by his fourth birthday. At four years, eight months he solved complicated calculus problems on Japanese TV. He is considered to be the most brilliant person alive. [b]One factor may be that his parents, both university professors, were born at precisely the same moment: 11:00 a.m., May 23, 1934."

How do you like that? Genetics AND astrology.[/B]

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He has mercury opposition uranus and mercury conjunct saturn! I think that is why he is a genius.

He basically has a stellium between mercury, Uranus and Saturn.

posted December 16, 2011 11:44 PM              

Um...I guess Isaac Newton would be another one. He had a Mercury-Saturn aspect but I don't remember if he had Uranus aspecting it. I don't think so.

Saturn is important for developing Mercury. Mercury on its own is flighty. Saturn buckles it down and makes it produce results.

I guess having Saturn aspecting his Mercury could be what made Einstein bad at math and in school when he was a child. You'd think Mercury in Aries would be a fast learner and thinker but aspects from those outer planets could pack a punch.

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posted December 17, 2011 12:05 AM            

mercury trine uranus = IQ high but may lead to dislexia...the trine is harmonious but unfortuantely acadamia in our society doesn't cater to genius...it caters to status quo...

Mercury opposite uranus benius but not as strong as conjunction

mercury sextile urnaus = hard worker...iq around 130...

posted December 17, 2011 12:20 AM            

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^ Interesting to note! Although...I know someone with Mercury conjunct Uranus but he is stupid and has a lousy sense of direction. I guess he's one of the exceptions!

He also has ADD, said so himself.

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Einstein is believed to have ADHD.......a lot of smart successful people have ADHD. A lot of people with ADHD initiate and are VERY creative.

I think ADHD based on vast research I have done when it comes down to it means you are visual among other things so it has more to do with learning style and what the person is interested in learning than with having a low IQ.

ADHD people when they are interested in a subject over focus for example.

posted December 17, 2011 12:38 AM            

Mercury conjunct Saturn
Saturn connected to a personal planet in hard aspect has a censoring effect on the planet involved. With Mercury in hard aspect to Saturn, whatever the person says and writes is self-censored to some degree. It's hard for these people to pour out their emotions, no matter how emotional or needy they feel on the inside. This is because they are always aware of what others might think of them with what they say. They are not necessarily deliberate talkers or thinkers. In other words, they don't always pick and choose their words carefully or speak slowly. However, they are careful with what they reveal to others. They make plenty of disclaimers, and often come across as negative or sarcastic without intending to. These are people who review conversations they've had with others, and who often kick themselves for saying something they didn't intend to, or for not saying something witty. Saturn tends to have a hobbling effect, and when it's attached to the planet of communication in hard aspect, there can be some feelings of insecurity about how we speak and communicate in general. These people tend to worry about what they've said and how they could have said it better. Some older astrology texts suggest that there can be learning disorders or "slowness" with this aspect, but this is rarely the case. In fact, many people with this aspect are very strong academically. The flow of their communication is blocked in some manner, however, and this is due to an automatic "self-censoring" tendency. Self-consciousness and hypersensitivity is experienced with regards to their intelligence and ability to get ideas across to others, especially in youth. These people need plenty of positive feedback from others in order to feel more confident and less "blocked".

If you have this aspect in your chart, recognize that you are most likely harder on yourself about how you communicate than others are. Ask people close to you for an objective point of view. Chances are, they find you to be astute, intelligent, and an effective speaker or writer. We often tell our kids "don't worry about what others think", but telling this to a person with a hard Saturn aspects is not enough, nor is it realistic. They will worry. Instead, I have found that the best way to handle difficult Saturn aspects is to get objective feedback from others! Mercury-Saturn people don't accept compliments whole-heartedly, yet they crave them and need them. Others around them tend to stop complimenting them, feeling that they either don't need compliments or don't want to hear them. Nothing can be further than the truth!

Alternate interpretation: Mercury/Saturn aspects indicate intellectual discipline, a serious outlook, good powers of concentration, and a knack for logical reasoning. You don't take things for granted, and you generally need empirical evidence to overcome your native skepticism. Not content with superficial understanding, you prefer to study subjects in depth. Some with this aspect prefer to work alone or in a quiet setting. Mathematical ability and a knack for working with figures are often present. Your work habits are careful, tenacious, methodical, and industrious. You are probably quite organized, hard working, and proficient at dealing with rules, regulations, fine points, and details. Writers with this aspect are typically masters of grammar and style. There is frequently great ambition, self-control, and a willingness to labor hard and long to achieve your goals. Others view you as honest, prudent, diligent, and cautious. This aspect is common in the charts of teachers, military leaders, and politicians.

If this conjunction forms stressful aspects with other planets, it can indicate lack of self-confidence, unwillingness to admit mistakes, and a proneness to depression. Children may have problems learning and difficulties in school. You may suffer hardships in your life that lead you to become cunning, bitter, cynical, callous, narrow-minded, or hard-hearted toward others. Shyness or social awkwardness is often present, and the tension associated with the aspect commonly manifests as acid indigestion.

I have this placement but as a side bar, I don't feel my IQ is anywhere near 140. But I was an under-achiever in school in A sense, though it didn't seem that way. I performed well, but I didn't make 'the best' grades or try very hard, which I feel somewhat ashamed of, actually. I would perform 'very well' when it meant something to me. And I don't think I am 'nearly' as smart as some people think I am. I am pretty tough on myself, all the time, but most people don't know this.

Maybe my Merc. in Scorpio will add some discipline to my Saturn in Sag (both are in the second house) one day? Or is it the other way around...? I have the conjunction. I keep finding new things in my chart everyday...

I want that to stop. Does that stop? Lol

posted December 17, 2011 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
He has a sibling (Mercury) who is of alternative lifestyle (Uranus). And now he is obsessed with bisexuals. I think that's the only way that aspect plays out in his chart. He is no genius!

Amelia28, I get your point about ADHD though. Schools aren't always accomodating to different learning styles and slap labels on different mentalities. I just remember reading that ADHD is the hunter mindset rather than the gatherer, which is more cut out for rote memorization and classroom learning.

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NO ADHD is not good at classroom learning and rote memorization. They are visual learners, and a lot of them are good at teaching themselves things. A lot of very successful business people have ADHD. I have had professors who are really smart but you can tell have ADHD. Personally I find people with ADHD very interesting, dynamic, warm and fun and the ones I have met are very smart.

posted December 17, 2011 12:43 AM              

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Originally posted by FireWire:
[BI have this placement but as a side bar, I don't feel my IQ is anywhere near 140. But I was an under-achiever in school in A sense, though it didn't seem that way. I performed well, but I didn't make 'the best' grades or try very hard, which I feel somewhat ashamed of, actually. I would perform 'very well' when it meant something to me. And I don't think I am 'nearly' as smart as some people think I am. I am pretty tough on myself, all the time, but most people don't know this.

Maybe my Merc. in Scorpio will add some discipline to my Saturn in Sag (both are in the second house) one day? Or is it the other way around...? I have the conjunction. I keep finding new things in my chart everyday...

I want that to stop. Does that stop? Lol

Does anyone have any of these aspects and would like to share their experiences with them? Curious to know how it plays out![/B]

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You sound very smart here. I have a hard time seeing the Saturn playing in though...your words have a lot of flow.

posted December 17, 2011 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
You sound very smart here. I have a hard time seeing the Saturn playing in though...your words have a lot of flow.

Saturn causes delays and makes you work hard for results.

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Well that is awfully nice of you to say, thank you. I am a bit of a late bloomer. Most of my planets are in the 2nd and 3rd house (mainly the 3rd though). I have one singleton--Jupiter in Aquarius (5th house).

posted December 17, 2011 12:55 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
As which was not the case in childhood, in HS my GPA was 3.0 as well as in undergrad school. Now in grad school is a 3.9. I still need to work a lot on my grammar though . Basically those squares involving mercury have been more and more manageable as I age and little by little a weakness is turning into a strength.

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posted December 17, 2011 12:57 AM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
I felt this way in undergrad the first couple of years. Those last few semesters it was like a whole new person woke up and stepped in. I wasn't sure what happened. Maybe once I finally decide to go to grad school I'll be like you! ! What are you studying, if you don't mind me asking (and don't mind revealing publicly)?

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posted December 17, 2011 01:05 AM            

...Along with several other things. Bwaha! Basically, who knows. I need to focus my 'talents' in one area and build structure but I'm afraid I'll get stuck. I'm becoming very interested in finance though. I just find it so fascinating!

My 'fear of losing freedom' (Sag stereotype, right? lol) ONLY applies to ethereal and 'higher mind' things, like education, pursuits...etc! So, it is possible I will rebel against graduate school altogether, as I've done for the past few years. But I LOVE learning!