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Topic: How do Astrologers know this for a fact??
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lindisfarne
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posted December 15, 2011 11:23 PM
  
Why do they stress the importance on birth time?
How do they know that this is the ONLY way to produce an accurate reading? What about the time of conception? Is this the only way? And why do some posters here use this "you haven't studied/don't understand astrology don't know the basics etc." the real question is, do you? I myself never claimed to be an astrologer, I never claimed to be a professional either. I learn about it as best as I can. However I am really intrigued and have to wonder if posters here who have said this are projecting because i highly doubt they know all there is to know about astrology as it is a very complex "study". And I am willing to argue that even proclaimed Astrologers don't know all there is to know. Any input on this and the individuals that use this argument? "You don't know the basics of astrology," is that supposed to cease my pursuit? Because I apparently dont know? But do they know? Do you know? I don't think so. Can someone provide input here... Especially with birth chart calculations why is this the only way to produce "accurate readings"? I'm not attacking anyone so please don't get defensive here. And I'm also not trolling, I need to ask a lot of questions this is how I have always been, in order to accept and understand something questions need to be asked I don't accept things blindly. The "Astrologers" and whatnot in this section how do you know birth time is the only way? Who told you it was? -- thanks! IP: Logged |
Capriquarius
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posted December 15, 2011 11:30 PM
Linda Goodman explains the importance of birthtime in one of her books. I'll find out which one later and edit this post. She says something like the first breath of air will enable the prana to activate the energies contained within.Ttyl8rs Edit: here ya go! http://books.google.com/books?id=fzvTs6tix8QC&pg=PA356&lpg=PA356&dq=%22linda+goodman%22+%22first+breath%22&source=bl&ots=aPzk8yGG_l&sig=pCXaIOQFhrp36d7K2jIiVDdgy4E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=a8 rqTuu0PIONsQKWgbG4CQ&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false It's a cool book. You should read it. IP: Logged |
lindisfarne
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posted December 15, 2011 11:32 PM
edit as soon as possible I am dying to know.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 15, 2011 11:53 PM
Well from where I stand the baby's 'personality' inside the womb and outside of it are none too different. Tho the moment of conception is so very hard to get a hold of, so birth time is best.
It's not when the baby takes their first breath, it's when their body exits their mother's, that's usually what's recorded.IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted December 16, 2011 12:31 AM
I guess they have tested the idea of dividing the signs by using houses, and it worked. I've tested my type of astrology against the sports results, to see if it works. It sure does. Unfortunately, others have tested other systems and they seem to work for them too.IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted December 16, 2011 12:44 AM
Depends on your beliefs. You can read different opinions on something and then agree with what makes the most sense to you. There is hardly consensus among those who study astrology, which is why there are different schools of thought (like in "soft" sciences, such as sociology, anthropology, political science, philosophy, etc). Astrology isn't math, nor physics.The idea is the time of "first breath" is when you calculate the natal chart. Your soul chooses to enter the body at that moment. Obviously, there is no way to prove this. Have you read about any of this? IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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posted December 16, 2011 01:48 AM
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And why do some posters here use this "you haven't studied/don't understand astrology don't know the basics etc."....lindasfarm
This is common sense
How can you read if you don't know the alphabet?
same thing with Astrology, you can't even begin to delineate if you don't know the ABC's of Astrology.
A common mistake I see is people will learn astrology according to their own Natals, that's fine if you're memorising your chart but if you want to understand random charts in general, you have to go beyond your own sign placements and aspects. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted December 16, 2011 02:24 AM
I dunno , I think the whole thing is kind of art and theory, combine common sense and intuition while looking for themes. Astrology is something I find interesting but by no means do I believe (or disbelieve). However, it is a passion to study it and I like the complexity, and I always like to go beneath the surface, beyond the whole 'If someone's Saturn is on my Venus then does it SUCK' line of thinking (honestly , that's so freakin' one-dimensional). I take it all with a grain of salt and nothing is set in stone as far as I am concerned. If you get yourself into the habit of always thinking some aspect or a specific way of reading a chart is THE way, then you kind of screw yourself out of learning. I mean the kind of learning which is exploratory and reflective, not classroom-oriented. You don't always need someone's exact birth time to see patterns. House positions etc. mean a lot, but also just plain observation and going with your intuition is not a bad thing. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted December 16, 2011 02:29 AM
I also think you're right to suggest that not every astrologer knows everything even if they study a lot. There's no set way. Knowing basics is kind of an immersion thing...you study up on more than sun signs or separate aspects and just learn to see the chart as a whole...while still keeping in mind that you don't know the person and that you can be wrong, and that there are exceptions. Honestly I think part of what makes someone adept as astrology is their interest and their ability to keep an open mind and not have any theory set in stone because the thing gets turned on its head the second you claim a theory is true 100%. It's challenging that perception counts for a lot, because if you think of it your own chart is going to react differently to certain things than another person's, so it's not possible to be 100% objective lol. IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted December 16, 2011 03:30 AM
Astrology has been around centuries and has shown itself to be pretty d.amn accurate, with a birthtime, in the hands of an astrologer who knows what they're doing.As far as the rest of what you said - my problem isn't with beginners in general making mistakes and getting something wrong. I've lost count of how many times I've corrected people, noob or otherwise, on the most basic astrological stuff - "No, Pallas does not represent weight issues and nurturing"... and had them actually continue to insist it's correct and then even try and argue about it. I don't have any patience for people who are ignorant on a subject then try to speak on it as though they're an authority, and then pass on that incorrect bulls**t on to others. I'm a big fan of shutting up and listening, reading and waiting until you have a firm grasp of the fundamentals of a subject before you start trying to teach it to others. I don't know jacks**t about Physics and you d.amn sure wouldn't see me on a Physics forum trying to argue with people who have studied the subject for years about the basic fundamentals and rules. The only thing that annoys me more is when people who actually do know the fundamental rules of astrology, go around intentionally teaching incorrect things because they've decided they don't like astrology as it is and they've decided to redo the entire system. IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted December 16, 2011 05:18 AM
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athenegoddess
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posted December 16, 2011 12:30 PM
No I think the real question is, how many people care about the moment of conception?And when a baby is born, a soul has already been lined up so I would say it matters to an extent. But overall, moment of birth is the way you choose to be in this incarnation. The planets will be exactly as they were meant to be for your souls growth and that is all that really matters. IP: Logged |
lucie
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posted December 16, 2011 01:31 PM
there are energetic signatures imprinted into our energetic field at birth,i resonate very much with this theory,introduction page 6
http://books.google.nl/books?id=JlrHZbvk0qwC&lpg=PA7&dq=moment%20of%20birth%20liquid%20light%20of%20sex&hl=nl&pg=PA7#v=onepage&q=moment%20of%20birth%20liquid%20light%20of%20sex&f=f alseIP: Logged |
lalalinda
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posted December 16, 2011 02:30 PM
brilliant lucie  I'm an Aries but should have been a Pisces.
I was a full month late.
For what ever reason the Universe deemed me a fire sign but left my Ascendant ruler in the Pisces 12th house. Some stuff I don't question,
I just have faith that it's all part of the bigger picture.  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted December 16, 2011 02:37 PM
The moment of birth is the moment you start your life independently from your mother (physically, now, psychologically is another matter).
With cutting the umbilical cord you are no longer physically a part of someone else, but start existing on your own (as a physical entity; of course noone can exist on their own in a social or psychological sense).
Anyway, I have read about one astrologer at least who places equally much importance on the conception date and charts. It is just very shaky how these conception charts are being calculated.
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SparklingSag
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posted December 16, 2011 04:12 PM
I was supposed to be born a piscean but was 4 MONTHS early so am a saggie sun/cap asc. I don't question it either  EDIT IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted December 16, 2011 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by SparklingSag:
Isaggie gun
Freudian slip?  IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted December 16, 2011 04:47 PM
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athenegoddess
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posted December 16, 2011 04:48 PM
All I know is that I was conceived when the Sun was in Libra.IP: Logged |
SparklingSag
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posted December 16, 2011 05:02 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Freudian slip? [/QUOTE
hahhahahah I just edited it. Was obviously too excited when posting.
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Fondue Knight
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posted December 16, 2011 05:26 PM
I was 3 days late, which put me on the Cancer side of the Gem/Cancer cusp. I wonder how I would have handled having a Gem Sun with Mercury and Mars in Cancer...  IP: Logged |
FireWire
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posted December 16, 2011 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
What about the time of conception?
-- thanks!
Initially, I thought you said "what about the conception of time, and I was going to type interesting thought/idea! But now I see you didn't type that! :/ IP: Logged |
lucie
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posted December 17, 2011 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
brilliant lucie I'm an Aries but should have been a Pisces.
I was a full month late.
For what ever reason the Universe deemed me a fire sign but left my Ascendant ruler in the Pisces 12th house. Some stuff I don't question,
I just have faith that it's all part of the bigger picture.
thank you lalalinda! IP: Logged |
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