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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 23610 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 16, 2011 04:02 AM Mal N is the extreme end of Narcissism. It has a spectrum, as all mental/emotional things do. Mal Narc has little to no empathy, such as a sociopath. However, they are one step short of a sociopath. I think there are several things you can see in the chart which would identify them, such as we see in the charts of sociopaths. I am going to discuss a few. Please, add any or give your point of view. Thank you. ------------------ Is Your Life a Greek Tragedy? http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 23610 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 16, 2011 04:04 AM I think that Merc combust the Sun would be one. Please, if you have one of these, don't think I am saying you are a Mal Narc. These things, as a whole may indicate it. This is the case with any "profile" in astrology. I think there must be a stressed Jupiter as conscience would have to be compromised if there was little empathy. ------------------ Is Your Life a Greek Tragedy? http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 23610 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 16, 2011 04:05 AM I think you would have to have some "dark" asteroids in prominent places such as Nessus, Sedna and Ixion. ------------------ Is Your Life a Greek Tragedy? http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
amelia28 Knowflake Posts: 1081 From: dumont, CO Registered: Aug 2011	posted December 16, 2011 04:23 AM Definition of Combust Said of a planet when in extreme closeness to the Sun, the limits variously placed at from 3° to 8°30'. The characteristic effect to which the term applies is probably confined within an arc of 3° and is more pronounced when the planet rises after the Sun. Older authorities, including Milton, have described it as weakening, except in the case of Mars which was said to be intensified. The probabilities are that the effect of the combust condition is to combine the planet's influence more closely with that of the Sun, until it is no longer a physical emotion capable of independent control, but an integral part of that consciousness of Destiny that the Sun imparts. Thus Mercury combust imparts to the mind a capacity for concentration upon what it deems its own destiny, but robs it of its receptivity to distracting or diverting influences. Hence it is no bar to the achievement of its own objectives insofar as the ability to achieve them is within its own powers, but it robs the native of the cooperation of those whom he alienates by his particular species of obtuse deafness to any or all argument that runs counter to his own concepts. Edison and Kant both illustrate this interpretation. Venus combust may take away the strength to achieve, but when in a particularly close conjunction with the Sun it produces the condition sometimes termed nymphomania - described by Bolitho concerning Lola Montez. Mars combust is always the man who fights for what he wants; and so with each planet according to its intrinsic nature. The distinction is an important one, in that a person with an entirely unaspected Mercury is one who usually develops a complex by way of an escape mechanism, while one whose Mercury is within 5° to 10° of the Sun is seldom afflicted with any manner of mental derangement. Wilson says "there seems manifest a difference in genius and propensities of natives, according to the distance of their Mercury from the Sun; and that those whose Mercury is combust have little wit or solid judgment, though they will persevere in business and frequently with good success." Also that a good aspect to the Moon, if angular and increasing in light, will in great measure remedy this defect, making one "judicious and penetrating." It should not be confused with the phrase "under the Sun's beams" which applies to, let us say, the degree of non-combustion, and is perhaps embodied in the doctrine that a planet within the Sun's aura - which extends to 17° on either side - is within orbs of a conjunction therewith. In other words, while the orbs of the planets, with regard to aspects, are variously from 3° to 10° according to the nature of the aspect, the solar orb, by conjunction or opposition, can be as much as 17°. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/combust.php I have sun in virgo at 28 degrees and mercury in virgo at 17 degrees. Moon in piscis conjunct IC by 1 orb. I dont have a combust between sun and mercury based on description above but is combust something that only deals with the sun or could there be a combust between venus and mars? I have venus in leo at 23 degrees in the 9th house and mars in leo at 24 degrees which combust venus. My mars definitely fights for what my venus likes: venus in leo in the 9th trine 5th cusp in aries by 3 orb. venus sextile pluto, venus trine neptune. IP: Logged
anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 2414 From: won't_disclose Registered: Sep 2011	posted December 16, 2011 04:28 AM I would be surprised if extreme narcissism did not involve some kind of Venus or Moon mis-alignment in the natal chart. But yeah combust planets make a lot of sense as well when it comes to narcissism. Because it's insidious, I'd expect N Neptune involved as well. Since Nept is the higher octave of Venus, I think it's really something between them; perhaps a combust Venus or somesuch. Thanks for starting this very interesting string. IP: Logged
BelligerentPygmy Knowflake Posts: 1014 From: Registered: Sep 2011	posted December 16, 2011 05:02 AM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I think that Merc combust the Sun would be one. Please, if you have one of these, don't think I am saying you are a Mal Narc. These things, as a whole may indicate it. This is the case with any "profile" in astrology. I think there must be a stressed Jupiter as conscience would have to be compromised if there was little empathy. ....You do know the majority of the human population has Mercury conjunct, even combust, the sun, right? LOL It's probably one of the top five most common aspects out there. I think something like sociopathy or narcissism would have more to do with issues revolving around Neptune (a lack of empathy and compassion) and probably Jupiter in aspect to the sun (exaggerated opinion of one's self and self-worth). IP: Logged
Chironrising Knowflake Posts: 25 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Dec 2011	posted December 16, 2011 05:07 AM Neptune conjunct sun does not make for a narcissist. That's more of an "echo" aspect...or someone who has the opposite problem but similar symptoms...like eating disorders etc....looks in the mirror hating themselves...until they build strong ego boundries and realize confidence comes from within... my experience with mercury conjunct sun is that the people are generally somewhere on the spectrum of narcissism...it's a very common aspect...and explains why so many of the charts i've looked at with these people infolved false vanity and petty charity...no offense to anyone...but i've seen it a thousand times...also they will use expressive logic to convince you...they will make fun of you, say things like, "you look like john trovolta in..." it's like clockwork....because they want to look like a celebrity and want you to say it meanwhile they are in sensitive to the fact that you think the person is atrocious...not necessarily in looks but maybe in demeanor....I swear I've seen it iwth every mercury conjunct sun....they always project it on to others too. My roomate had this and would flex in the mirror for hours after working out at the gymn in our dorm room... IP: Logged
BelligerentPygmy Knowflake Posts: 1014 From: Registered: Sep 2011	posted December 16, 2011 05:14 AM quote: Originally posted by Chironrising: Neptune conjunct sun does not make for a narcissist. That's more of an "echo" aspect...or someone who has the opposite problem but similar symptoms...like eating disorders etc....looks in the mirror hating themselves...until they build strong ego boundries and realize confidence comes from within... my experience with mercury conjunct sun is that the people are generally somewhere on the spectrum of narcissism...it's a very common aspect...and explains why so many of the charts i've looked at with these people infolved false vanity and petty charity...no offense to anyone...but i've seen it a thousand times...also they will use expressive logic to convince you...they will make fun of you, say things like, "you look like john trovolta in..." it's like clockwork....because they want to look like a celebrity and want you to say it meanwhile they are in sensitive to the fact that you think the person is atrocious...not necessarily in looks but maybe in demeanor....I swear I've seen it iwth every mercury conjunct sun....they always project it on to others too. My roomate had this and would flex in the mirror for hours after working out at the gymn in our dorm room... Where did I say anything about Neptune in aspect to the sun? I didn't. I said an afflicted Neptune in general. People with a strong Neppy in a positive sense tend to feel what others feel and psychic ability as well. It's the planet of empathy. As far as sun-mercury goes...general self-absorption, in a garden variety, harmless sense? Possible, but you have to look at the rest of the chart to see if that's really valid. But even if it is, there's a big difference between typical self-absorption and hardcore narcissism, which is another beast entirely and not the domain of sun-merc. Sorry LMAO. Hardcore narcissism is something you might see in someone with like, a pile-up of planets in the first, with sun conjunct jupiter in the first - me me me and more me. Throw in an afflicted Neppy that makes it d.amn near impossible for them to put themselves in anyone else's shoes and Houston we have a problem. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 23610 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 16, 2011 11:27 AM BP, the casimi is rare. The person I am thinking of who is a Mal nac as an exact conjunct of Merc and the Sun in Aqua. I think this is very rare. ------------------ Is Your Life a Greek Tragedy? http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
amowls** Knowflake Posts: 994 From: Registered: Dec 2010	posted December 16, 2011 11:50 AM Ami, not to be a dick but perhaps you shouldn't look at someone's chart who you know so personally? You have strong feelings regarding your mom and that may take away any subjectivity from this study. It's probably better to look at the chart of sociopaths that you DON'T know. But yeah, Sun conjunct Mercury is pretty common. I have it. Even in Aquarius lol. IP: Logged
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 397 From: Registered: Aug 2011	posted December 16, 2011 12:05 PM Mercury receives more light from the Sun than any other planets. I guess there may be a reason for this narcissism.. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 23610 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 16, 2011 12:16 PM quote: Originally posted by amowls: Ami, not to be a dick but perhaps you shouldn't look at someone's chart who you know so personally? You have strong feelings regarding your mom and that may take away any subjectivity from this study. It's probably better to look at the chart of sociopaths that you DON'T know. But yeah, Sun conjunct Mercury is pretty common. I have it. Even in Aquarius lol.** I just gave you a wonderful Aqua award ------------------ Is Your Life a Greek Tragedy? http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 23610 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 16, 2011 12:18 PM Peeps, please, no one aspect makes anyone anything ------------------ Is Your Life a Greek Tragedy? http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 23610 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 16, 2011 12:20 PM My thinking behind the exact conjunction of Merc and the Sun or the casimi is that the ego and the mind are too close for a good level of detachment. This is just my musings starting from the one chart of the person who is a Mal Narc. I seem to be drawn to these "personality problems" charts. Perhaps, this it to be my calling. At any rate, I do NOT mean to diss anyone! ------------------ Is Your Life a Greek Tragedy? http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Malena Knowflake Posts: 137 From: Registered: Apr 2011	posted December 16, 2011 12:35 PM Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that narcissists grasp emotions well enough to manipulate them in other people. Many times you don't know you're dealing with a narcissist until you're well into a relationship (familial, love, business, friendship) with them. The Moon is the first place my mind goes, as I don't think you can avoid Moon issues when you're talking about someone who at their core has no empathy. But I'm not sure what aspects would go from there. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 23610 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 16, 2011 12:41 PM quote: Originally posted by Malena: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that narcissists grasp emotions well enough to manipulate them in other people. Many times you don't know you're dealing with a narcissist until you're well into a relationship (familial, love, business, friendship) with them. The Moon is the first place my mind goes, as I don't think you can avoid Moon issues when you're talking about someone who at their core has no empathy. But I'm not sure what aspects would go from there. Yes, the moon would be a place. I would think an Air moon. This person has a Libra moon which may be the first moon one would look at cuz it is in it's detriment. ------------------ Is Your Life a Greek Tragedy? http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Capriquarius Knowflake Posts: 637 From: So. Cal Registered: Dec 2010	posted December 16, 2011 02:19 PM Here's the chart of Kim Jong Il. He's just a tad narcissistic, ain't he? [URL=http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?wgid=wgeJxdTtsKwjAM_RpBIUJT52CWvio6BN98zljYxmwrvTD292avEjg3DkmWaZ6sNoOzhMb3tp3cTqtH8IPQ_QPgAGvQgE2FgPqiFIwNw1CShM9QfJbei3jOBdoQmaR05uoMp8Yrh AJqG0]http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?wgid=wgeJxdTtsKwjAM_RpBIUJT52CWvio6BN98zljYxmwrvTD292avEjg3DkmWaZ6sNoOzhMb3tp3cTqtH8IPQ_QPgAGvQgE2FgPqiFIwNw1CShM9QfJbei3jOBdoQmaR05uoMp8Yr hAJqG0N958nx__ot7ymzxVr8lbtYKK4it3NCex-CBxE-CIyhJE4H0-X1Kz-7PFrKixnTao9oYrL4vv0Awkw-Hg[/URL] He has a Yod going with Chiron and Neptune toward his Sun. Unhealable wound plus delusions of grandeur pointing to his ego. Ouch! Poor "Dear Leader." No combust Mercury here. Got moon in Air though, in Libra. Trine Sun in Aqua. IP: Logged
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 1473 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted December 16, 2011 02:24 PM Ami, honest question: Do you think I am a narcist? IP: Logged
Capriquarius Knowflake Posts: 637 From: So. Cal Registered: Dec 2010	posted December 16, 2011 02:35 PM EDIT: nvm...too long an article IP: Logged
amowls** Knowflake Posts: 994 From: Registered: Dec 2010	posted December 16, 2011 03:16 PM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Yes, the moon would be a place. I would think an Air moon. This person has a Libra moon which may be the first moon one would look at cuz it is in it's detriment. I HAVE A LIBRA MOON TOO! AMII!!!! shakes fist Moon in Libra isn't detriment, though. Moon in Cap (detriment) or Scorpio (fall) is. Unless you mean detriment in the non astrological sense. I think a chart where most planets fall into houses 1-4 or in signs Aries-Cancer, would indicate some level of "selfishness" which, given the right factors, can lead to narcism. I mean "selfishness" as in focus on the self, not being overly concerned about other people (houses 5-7) or the world at large (8-12)... I mean that in the most neutral way possible. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 23610 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 16, 2011 03:25 PM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Ami, honest question: Do you think I am a narcist? Ceri I am honored you would even trust me enough to ask me that question. E mail me and we can talk, in private. ------------------ Is Your Life a Greek Tragedy? Study Your Asteroids http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 1473 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted December 16, 2011 03:48 PM Ami, this was not meant as the beginning of a discussion about me. sorry if I was being not clear enough. Thank you for the offer though; I appreciate that. Coming back to the topic here: No, I am not a narcist. Yet, I do have Sun conjunct Mercury by 0°56; I have an Aquarius-Moon. I have all (except for Mars) personal planets in the first three houses though they are in Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces, so not in "personal" signs. So either these indicators are not "enough", or I have something else in my chart, offsetting these. Again I apologize if I gave you a wrong impression with my question. I actually thought it was pretty clear that I do not fall into this category. I guess not. EDIT: Oh and I also have challenged Jupiter and Neptune. Neptune conjunct NN and ASC and Mars, squaring Jupiter in Pisces. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 23610 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 16, 2011 03:52 PM ------------------ Is Your Life a Greek Tragedy? Study Your Asteroids http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 1473 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted December 16, 2011 03:53 PM are you laughing at ME? IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 23610 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 16, 2011 04:40 PM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: are you laughing at ME? Just like in general Glad you are a Sag! ------------------ Is Your Life a Greek Tragedy? Study Your Asteroids http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged

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