posted December 22, 2011 02:06 PM            

Does anyone in here actually think they will EVER know the birthtimes of celebrities for sure?

I am not disregarding any effect astrology may have on one's appearance, but at the end of the day, it cannot be disputed that genetics also play a leading role, so the science of "astrological appearance" will always be altered by other variables that you have no access to knowing.

posted December 22, 2011 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Well, at the end of the day, I'm not talking about appearances. I'm talking about exalted Saturn in Libra and what karmic circumstances are brought upon the natives with Sun or Asc in Libra.

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If you are addressing me Athenegoddess, I was referring to your previous discussion within this thread where you were indeed discussing appearances.

posted December 22, 2011 02:12 PM            

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Originally posted by cooljen:
Sorry but I'm not understanding where this idea that someone who is very attractive must obviously be a Libra Ascendant, and furthermore Scorpio Ascendant "is not known for that". Isn't that kind of thinking a gross misuse of astrology? Its like reading your sun sign horoscope and being upset that it doesn't quite fit you - therefore this (astrology) must all be a bunch of crap. Instead of realizing that a simple sun sign is not the end all be all of your 'identity' or personality. Likewise its totally irresponsible to say libra ascendant = extreme attractiveness. So its impossible for anyone who is very attractive to be anything but a libra ascendant.

Also the examples you've used are just a few people you happened to find who are celebrities. I have Saturn in Libra as do most people I know (who are around my age). We are not all pregnant or engaged. We are however going through Saturn returns now, which are frequently marked by big events like that. So maybe the examples are actually because of those people's saturn returns and not simply because Saturn is in Libra (but because it is returning to our natal Saturn in Libra positions).

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I don't know you but I already like you.

posted December 22, 2011 02:12 PM            

And if you read anything, you would see how I was never intending on arguing with someone about Natalie Portman's or Grace Kelly's appearance.

posted December 22, 2011 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I don't know you but I already like you.

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posted December 22, 2011 02:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Oh please.

Does anyone in here actually think they will EVER know the birthtimes of celebrities for sure?

I am not disregarding any effect astrology may have on one's appearance, but at the end of the day, it cannot be disputed that genetics also play a leading role, so the science of "astrological appearance" will always be altered by other variables that you have no access to knowing.

Incidentally, I am a Libra Asc, and have just met the love of my life 4 months ago.
Don't do the "marriage" thing though, and I won't be getting pregnant.

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posted December 22, 2011 02:21 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Exactly.

And if you read anything, you would see how I was never intending on arguing with someone about Natalie Portman's or Grace Kelly's appearance.

So annoying.

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I think we both know it takes two to argue.
But yes, I see you expressed a desire to move on from the discussion.

It may, however, be worth respecting the fact that you are in a public forum, and you cannot control how a discussion develops.
Tangents can spark off thoughts people wish to share, and can lead to interesting discussions, if handled with respect and flexibility.
I also see the need for respect for the OT too though.

If I had no intention to argue with someone I would respect their opinion and move on, rather than insist I was correct.
But that's just me.

posted December 22, 2011 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
No one is disputing genetics. At the end of the day,at the beginning of the day it always genetics. If you are to bring background,social standing,education,surroundings,etc up everytime while discussing a astrological topic,what's the point in discussing? You can use 'genetics etc' argument everytime. And?
We are here to observe,to rule out,to rule in... If somebody is born with Venus Rising,and have roman nose,everyone in the family has it,it doesn't mean you won't have because of Venus. But,your facial features could be softer,your smile wider,demanour sweet and pleasing. It could make a strong feature like Roman nose less conspicuous. It can effect one who doesn't even like Roman nose to say you are very attractive.
Rising can work with only what's it has been given.

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I guess you answered your own question.
IMHO, there is little point in arguing the point with a view to ever coming to a definite answer. When there are so many variables, definitive results are very difficult.

posted December 22, 2011 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Please don't ever post on any of my threads. You are not welcome to.

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posted December 22, 2011 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Yes and I'm really tired of this forum. People here are ridiculous. I miss the people that used to be here, and it's not what it used to be.

I think I'm done here once again.

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If you find a lot of opposition, it may be worth looking at how you are approaching others.

It's too easy to just blame others by calling them "ridiculous" - where is the growth in that?

Aside from the fact it's unlikely that everyone who annoys you is ridiculous and you are without blame.

posted December 22, 2011 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I'll post wherever I good and d.amned well please.

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posted December 22, 2011 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
If you find a lot of opposition, it may be worth looking at how you are approaching others.

It's too easy to just blame others by calling them "ridiculous" - where is the growth in that?

Aside from the fact it's unlikely that everyone who annoys you is ridiculous and you are without blame.

Your interactions with others will always be a combination of your energy and theirs, therefore the consequences are in truth borne by both parties, whether it is comfortable to admit it or not.

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posted December 22, 2011 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I think it's simply me dealing with people who aren't on my level. Simple as that.

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I would hesitate to discuss "levels" with you, considering your comment about people being ridiculous.

Perhaps many are not on the same page.

You appear to have many strong beliefs about yourself and systems, but when strength becomes rigidity it is no more than resistance against it's opposing energies, and it attracts challenges.

From my observation of your interactions on here, you seem to have trouble dealing with challenges to your beliefs, this has the consequence of limiting your scope of growth, and creating animosity between you and those you may learn from (and vice versa).

I've always been of the opinion that if I am disturbed, or upset by a challenge to something I believe in, then it is time to review that belief.
If there were no doubt in my mind, I would quite simply not be moved or affected.
Adverse reaction, anger, upset, attack, defense, all come from a place of fear and insecurity - these do not indicate a belief that is true in the heart.

posted December 22, 2011 02:44 PM            

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All I can say is, when next year comes. You all will remember me.

Goodbye.

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Voix has really good points there. Anyway, take care, raspberri.

posted December 22, 2011 02:53 PM            

Joking aside...Voix de la Mer definitely has awesome points here.

And BelligerentPygmy - thank you!!

Also, if you do really want to get back to the discussion...

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I'm talking about exalted Saturn in Libra and what karmic circumstances are brought upon the natives with Sun or Asc in Libra.

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posted December 22, 2011 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by cooljen:
lol was that raspberri??? wow lol no wonder

Joking aside...Voix de la Mer definitely has awesome points here.

And BelligerentPygmy - thank you!!

Also, if you do really want to get back to the discussion... [QUOTE]I'm talking about exalted Saturn in Libra and what karmic circumstances are brought upon the natives with Sun or Asc in Libra.

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Yeah, I am Libra Asc, and I am having my Saturn return atm.

The biggest change is definitely in my relationships.

I'm not sure when my Saturn return started, but I have been removing people from my life who I have outgrown or who had outgrown me, since 2009 - perhaps some of this was in prep?

In 2011, my relationships with women took a dip, although I also acquired a very nice female boss, and fell more in love with a man than I ever have before.

I find my views of myself and life changing.
Things I never felt capable of now feel possible, things I had been 'putting up with' are now impossible to tolerate.
I feel I am really 'becoming' my(whole)self for the first time, after being so fragmented, yet predominantly true to myself, if not a bit distracted.

posted December 22, 2011 05:31 PM            

Jennifer Aniston, Where did you see she was pregnant?
I didn't see that info anywhere, other than gossip magazines
saying it for years.

Britney Spears- I dont get the feeling it's love but who knows?
I think she's found a "fatherly" figure(Saturn) in her romantic
life.

I think all ascendant types can be "attractive".
If you want to really get into it, think about this.
Libra ascendant eventually progresses into Scorpio in their
adult lives. So most of a Libra ascendant's life their ascendant is in Scorpio.
It effects their personality and especially LOOKS.