posted December 31, 2011 03:35 AM            

I have lots of secrets.

I think the challenge of 12H pluto in scorpio is that pluto gets channelled by my asc and scares everyone off. Or that I'm scared to unleash my pluto.

I read somewhere that 12H pluto somehow had plutonian energy go wrong when they used it or that the person misused that energy in a past life.

My childhood sucked...and yes it was traumatic... but I also have oodles of Capricorn which just makes it all worse.

posted December 31, 2011 05:41 AM            

INTENSE.

I would say that I can sometimes be self-destructive with relationships (which I am trying to work on); other times, there are outside factors that destroy my relationships with others (such as people moving way, or if I'm the one who has to leave a place, etc). I've experienced a lot of rejection. It's difficult for me to feel loved and like I matter to people.

I get harassed a lot on the streets and have been the victim of both sexual assault and harassment. I literally am afraid every day when I go out about those kinds of things.

I can really see how Venus and Pluto come together in Scorpio in my chart.

On the brighter side, I have to say that I kind of love the intensity of Venus in Scorpio and I do think that this placement can be a good one for spirituality. And, if I can learn to use my sensitivity in better ways more often (instead of getting caught up in negative whirlwinds at times), I think that this too could become something very good in my life.

posted December 31, 2011 05:44 AM            

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here is another link about Pluto in the 12th:

http://cafeastrology.com/articles/plutoinhouses.html

posted December 31, 2011 04:12 PM            

So do you think that if anybody else were to have been through what you have, that they would completely crack and maybe not handle it well?
In other words, how do you think your ability is to handle these issues? are you extra strong, and able to rise out of the ashes and be stronger.
Or, maybe you think "why me?"
regardes, that is sad. Do you think about getting counseling or have you already?

posted December 31, 2011 04:17 PM            

From another thread:

Pluto in Libra in the 12th House
Sextile my Sag Neptune and
Quincunx my Pisces Sun

I have something akin to instant karma, can step into meditation quite easily (when practicing), and have had several semi-spontaneous out of body / "at one wth everything" moments.

posted December 31, 2011 06:13 PM            

I am not a very secretive person at all. In fact, my life is quite the open book. I may give off the impression of secrecy (scorpio asc) because I can be very quiet and introverted but,once I get to know you I am very open. There are certain things I prefer to keep to myself (like if I'm sick or someone in my family is) just because I don't really like to hear all the "I'm sorry" remarks.

I can be very self-destructive in my relationships like Regardes said. Similarly I am working on that. I have a tendency to try and control the situation and if I don't get my way I can get very very nasty. But,I usually get over my anger just as quickly as it comes on (pluto square mars). I really hate the anger I have and I am trying to hone it to something more productive.

I find that people either love me or hate me. There's not much middle ground. Often times there are people who just hate me for no apparent reason. I can just say Hi to them and they have made the judgement they don't like me. =( I have been best friends with someone one year then all of a sudden they just stop speaking to me and completely cut of all contact.

I had a pretty good childhood. I'm the youngest of five. My brothers tortered me a little bit but,that's what big brothers are for. I didn't have a very close relationship with my Dad but,I have made peace with him and my brothers. I can't complain about much. I've had a good life.

posted December 31, 2011 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by taurusvirgoleolady1974:
Thank you for the input.

So do you think that if anybody else were to have been through what you have, that they would completely crack and maybe not handle it well?
In other words, how do you think your ability is to handle these issues? are you extra strong, and able to rise out of the ashes and be stronger.
Or, maybe you think "why me?"
regardes, that is sad. Do you think about getting counseling or have you already?

Do your secrets eat you up on the inside, and do you have guilt?
Thanks again for the help. I have read many blogs, etc but I want to know first hand by a 12th house pluto person.

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I don't think that other people would be able have handled what I went through tbh.

I'm strong on the outside, what people don't see is where I hurt. Idk about the rising from the ashes bit since I've never worked out how.

I usually blame my issues onto my venus cj saturn in cap or my sun in pisces.

I like my pluto, I just got used to all the crap, yeah I'd like it to be better, but I feel that nothing will ever make it better unto tPluto starts smashing my cap planets (not far off from happening too either lol).

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posted January 31, 2012 06:56 PM              

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Originally posted by saya_sar:
I also think pluto in the 12th has made my subconcious very active. I know whats wrong and if I do it then I usually feel incredibly guilty. I am a very bad liar!!!! More by choice. If I want to be secretive and manipulative I can and I know how to but,I just chose not to be.

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that's lovely to hear, just remember the 12th house is THE most cadent and hidden of houses and tends to dissolve planetary energies. Also remember that planets are modified by signs, where they express are houses and how they express are *aspects*...

Basic astrology forum discussing Pluto in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000663.html

posted January 31, 2012 09:13 PM            

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posted February 01, 2012 09:26 AM            

Think the one of the biggest impact is pluto opposition sun? the sun brings to light the depth of pluto in scorpio (my ascendant is scorpio too) I been told that I look moody, always in very deep thought.. and I consciencly now try not to look like that as it is intimidating.

posted February 01, 2012 10:29 AM              

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Originally posted by sand:
[B]mine only moves in h1 when using whole signs..

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Planets conj House cusp
“Ascendant at 15’ Libra and Jupiter 13’ Libra. That would place Jupiter in the 12th house, right? But many thoughtful astrologers would read this as Jupiter being conjunction with Ascendant, and end up reading it as bringing its action to bear in the first house, rather than in the 12th.
This same idea would apply for each and every house cusp. If the planet is IN THE SAME SIGN as the sign on the next house cusp, and close enough to be CONJUNCT WITH that next house cusp, the action of the planet will be directed into oncoming house” http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses.html http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14887 http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125412&postcount=4
Ptolemy says the influence of the house begins to be felt 5° before the actual cusp. http://www.astrologycom.com/houses.html

“Astrologers have seen a body influencing the house it is about to enter, time and time again. All theorizing aside, the planet casting its shadow ahead works. I can speak from personal experience, as well as reading ancient texts. If you discover this as true, then the next question may be, "Just how close must a body be to a cusp before it begins to be felt in the neighboring house?"
I've seen some authors say 3 degrees. I've seen some that give 5 degrees. I have seen some that even give 8 degrees. And there may be other variations.” http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/90c9f417-5086-4ff0-b31f-c904fe99baca
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202304&postcount=7 http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=205033#post205033

posted February 01, 2012 10:33 AM              

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I do have many life long secrets, and my challenge in life is always just gaining respect from people like parents, in laws. I often show my vunerbility, this makes me look weak and then I get used. I hate that. Guess I deal with it through singng/drawing/playing music (Venus mercury in aries 5th house) I hated my childhood, I was always put down by my father, physically abused, always because I just wasnt intelligent enough to get good grades in school, and was a tiny bit of a rebel and again I had the 'look' of being a bad girl. Hated school till I was 18. Was bullied, hardly had friends, although a few admirers!.. dont know why thougb because I was a complete loner! The most traumatic experiences had to be the physical abuse, it scarred me mentally, im just not confident and always 'scared' of disappointing parents.. even though Im now married and 26 years of age, that scared little girl is always going to be inside me...
Does that represent Pluto in the 12th? or Saturn in the 12th? Because I have both in 12th and in Scorpio!

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Houses: angular houses 1/7 4/10 the energies of planets placed here are obvious cos it's your 'shop window' visible for everyone to see. Next the succeedent houses 2/8 & 5/11 the energies in these houses are not in shop window the are in the shop, but stood behind the counter, ready to come out when needed. Lastly, cadent houses 6/12 & 3/9 these houses/planets are not in shop window or stood behind the counter, they are in the back storeroom and only come out when 'triggered' or an emergency and much harder to recognise and access...

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....So remember you may find it harder to identify with planets and Neptune in this case in Cadent houses….

Sun or Ascendant in Scorpio – quite possible someone died within a year, before or after.
Tend to grow up very quickly. Difficult early life

Sun or Ascendant Don't like bargaining, find it very hard and embarrassing to accept a compliment.
Pluto people will not be told anything. The strongest of all the twelve signs. Stands for intensity. Thrives on emergencies.

Wherever Pluto is in the natal chart want ultimate control concerning matters of that house.

Pluto in 12th House - cadent
Deep insight into subconscious realm. Considerable tendency to be secretive and sometimes even reclusive.Inner confidence (always there to draw upon in times of need). Enormous amount of strength underneath. Got to be linked to another planet to access.Good counsellor or psychologist for people with breakdowns or mental problems. Pluto will suggest alternatives. But have to wait for the knock on the door first before offering help and advice. Maybe overly sensitive to drugs especially when under stress, can easily become addicted

"Saturn’s" influence seems to be more obvious in the houses than in the signs can rule the life with an iron rod, although invisible, by undermining the sense of ¬self worth and making it difficult for the individual to permit any close emotional contacts.

Saturn's sign indicates what you find uncomfortable and must learn to manage.
Where and how you feel a lack of confidence -- the house position of Saturn defines where
you need to establish your skills, an issue you worry about and wish you could depend on !

Lovely anecdote about Saturn from member mahaira on astrologyweekly.com,

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There's an interesting thing I read somewhere, which I would never take as a rule as it oversimplifies matters - we can guess where someone's Saturn is placed, broadly speaking, by asking him/her "What do you want (or did want) but don't have?"

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Takes 28 years to go around zodiac. Stays in each sign of approx 2.1/2 yrs
Keywords: Saturn = Structure, duty, limitation, restriction.

Saturn in the 12th house
Serve or suffer are the keynotes here and the individual can choose which way he will take: but choose he must. Always a subconscious wish to retreat.Craving for solitude. Great sensitivity. A deep seated selfishness has to be dissolved through suffering.
These people need a sense of inner purpose and make good behind the scenes organisers. They often suffer from an inexplicable fear of authority or concern about the future, and should find a way to develop self confidence.Capable of bringing stability into other people’s lives, by helping and organising those less fortunate than yourself.Don’t like to acknowledge figures of authority (including parental)

saturn in or ruling 12th house can show a father either absent, missing or simply effectual in setting boundaries structures and alike in early childhood. psychological or physical absence of a father (or authority figure) who worked, or who provided a model for you in terms of discipline, organisation, and coping with the realities of everyday living, you were not encouraged to develop your ambition or your competitive spirit, or to believe in your potential for success. This can add listlessness and not finding ones direction

Serve or suffer are the keynotes here and the individual can choose which way he will take: but choose he must. Always a subconscious wish to retreat.
Craving for solitude. Great sensitivity. A deep seated selfishness has to be dissolved through suffering. These people need a sense of inner purpose and make good behind the scenes organisers. They often suffer from an inexplicable fear of authority or concern about the future, and should find a way to develop self confidence.
Capable of bringing stability into other people’s lives, by helping and organising those less fortunate than yourself.
Don’t like to acknowledge figures of authority (including parental)

Saturn can indicate deep seated loneliness, fear or guilt, despair or negativity which may be difficult to confront. But it also shows the ability to apply yourself with determination and/or ¬concen¬tration to some SOLITARY TASK perhaps to your work, which helps you to bring order to the internal chaos.

the often hidden weakness that having saturn here can suggest with Saturn or Capricorn here, you hesitate to openly express and come to terms with your negative feelings, particularly fear, guilt, loneliness, and mistrust. Because you haven't dealt with the fear and self doubt, which inhibit you, you may deny your desire for professional accomplishment. This Saturnian influence can manifest as psychological rigidity and withholding, due to inability to let go of past patterns. You above all, need to come to terms with your repression.

Saturn's strength and positive side here provides inner strength and self discipline, a capacity to cope with loneliness and handle responsibility, and a ¬willingness to work on your own with determination and ¬perseverance.

This house is where you learn to 'become whole' you could reject or deny someone you love.

for further clues as to how the 12th operates. look to where the ruler is and how it's aspected...
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm

posted February 02, 2012 04:23 AM            

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Originally posted by taurusvirgoleolady1974:
Sc0rpiorising, my husband has the exact situation as far as his upbringing. Dad is there physically, but a tyrant.
Also saturn 12th house. I posted bout in in the saturn 12th topic.
Do you also have problems standing up for yourself in various situations?

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posted November 08, 2012 04:26 PM            

I was born with what some may consider a "dark passenger."

Mars conjunct Pluto in 12th house Scorpio.

Yes it's intense. Yes it's a burden. Yes it's secretive.

But god damnit if I'm not alive today because of it then I don't know what.

The hardest part about this configuration is getting others to actually understand what it feels like to live with.

The intensity of emotions and thoughts become overbearing. The placement of 12th house also creates a blockage of energy that is not healthfully expressed. I'm very passive aggressive (at least that's all you get to see) until everything I've bottled up explodes. I have a very good memory and do not forget any past transgressions against me, which surely does not help.

I've always been a survivalist. I've always been strategic and secretive. And I love myself for it. It's gonna keep me alive and a step ahead of my less then focused brethren. But the worst part for sure is in relationships. I have the worst time showing any sort of affection (and my venus in Aquarius doesn't help that, as well as my gemini moon) and I'm very unemotional. Getting close to me is a hard thing to do and when you finally do crack that she'll you may not like what you find. I feel a deep an intense love for all of my close friends and family and loved ones, but that never shows, and it causes outsiders to label me as cold or closed off.