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appleberry
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From: Venusian
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posted December 30, 2011 08:43 PM
  
Do you find that in your significant romantic relationships that your and/or your partner's Sun/Moon Midpoint is activated?
How so? How did the relationship play out?
From Cafe Astrology:
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Inherent in the symbolism of the Sun/Moon midpoint is the desire for companionship. The Sun/Moon midpoint represents a point of "inner marriage" and symbolizes close personal relationship. This point is very important in any kind of relationship analysis, in addition to natal chart work.
In synastry, the Sun/Moon midpoint is very often activated by the other person's personal planet in significant relationships. If another person's personal planet, and especially the Sun or Moon, forms an aspect such as the ones referred to above, that person represents some kind of promise of integration to the Sun/Moon midpoint owner. Whether or not integration actually happens, this synastry connection offers a promise which can be difficult to resist. Therefore, it is a strong indicator of attraction. Many astrologers assert that significant relationships that lead to marriage or a similar commitment contain at least one of the following interchanges in synastry: one person's Sun aspecting the other's Moon, and/or one person's personal planet aspecting the other's Sun/Moon midpoint.
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I did find that both of our midpoints are highly activated involving inner and outer planets as well as asteroids.
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ElizabethO
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posted December 30, 2011 08:48 PM
Two of my more significant relationships were Virgo suns conj Sun/Moon midpoint. I never really knew the exact time either were born, so I couldn't say what their Sun/Moon midpoints would be.It does feel very fated, doesn't it? Not fated in a serendipitous manner, but that this person was specifically made to be part of your life. Neither relationship lasted very long, however. Far too many squares and oppositions within our personal planets. IP: Logged |
appleberry
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posted December 30, 2011 09:06 PM
yes, there must be something fated about it... you look at the charts of people who mean nothing to you, and it's just not there...
At least in my case...The thing that I don't understand about Sun/Moon Midpoints is that when Cafe Astro tells you to look, it's all about conjunction, opposition, square, semisquare, and sesquiquadrate... why not the positive aspects? The ones listed seem more challenging... why would they be more important than the others? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 30, 2011 09:12 PM
^ It's just the case that there is more energy with the hard aspects to the Sun/Moon MP. But if the trines or the sextiles to MPs work for you, then use em. However, that's not the standard. In this case hard aspect does not equate to adverse, like it might in a natal Sun sq Moon; it equates to attraction.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 30, 2011 09:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by appleberry:
Do you find that in your significant romantic relationships that your and/or your partner's Sun/Moon Midpoint is activated?
How so? How did the relationship play out?
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that person represents some kind of promise of integration to the Sun/Moon midpoint owner. Whether or not integration actually happens, this synastry connection offers a promise which can be difficult to resist. Therefore, it is a strong indicator of attraction.(...)
I've been drawn to a few of them, most often their Sun, as I'm the Sun/Moon MP person. The promise of integration rings true, as if they had all the answers, and I wanted to stick around to soak up as much wisdom as possible, to feel more balanced, which while around them, I did. I was actually kinda clingy around them, I don't know if the sign matters but my MP is in Aquarius. One friend had their Moon conj my Sun/Moon MP. I've found that the interest in each other was mutual, but it's possible in other cases that it's not. Another thing I've seen is composite Sun and other personal planets often conj my own Sun/Moon MP.
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defeat
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posted December 30, 2011 09:23 PM
do midpoint in synastry only take into account conjucntions...say their midpoint is 23 cap, but i have my moon at 23 libra....
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Lonake
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posted December 30, 2011 09:39 PM
^ Conj, opp and squares, so it's v.valid since it's exact, both at 23, if both times of birth are correct.
I tend to rely just on the conjunctions, since those, to me, seem the most obvious.IP: Logged |
defeat
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posted December 30, 2011 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
^ Conj, opp and squares, so it's v.valid since it's exact, both at 23, if both times of birth are correct.
I tend to rely just on the conjunctions, since those, to me, seem the most obvious.
what if they're not? Can you get midpoints if you don't know their time of birth....moon i can see how it may be innacurate, but when looking at the slower planets, a couple hours difference shouldn't make it incorrect, should it? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 30, 2011 10:05 PM
^ The Moon and any angle that would be attached to midpoints are time-sensitive. The rest, for example Venus/Mars MP, not relevant on time, exactly. Some days there will be a change in sign, maybe Jupiter changes signs that day, so in that case you'll need the time to interpret the natal, but for midpoints it won't be as big of a deal.IP: Logged |
defeat
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posted December 30, 2011 10:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Lonake:
^ Conj, opp and squares, so it's v.valid since it's exact, both at 23, if both times of birth are correct.
I tend to rely just on the conjunctions, since those, to me, seem the most obvious.
sorry, i'm just curious why you didn't include trines and sextils? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 31, 2011 12:51 AM
^ Already answered above.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted December 31, 2011 02:06 AM
For me, I know my sun opposes my fiance's sun/moon midpoint by like 3 degrees. I know that is pretty wide by a lot of standards, but his venus/mars midpoint opposes my sun as well by 1 degree soooo.... With my ex-husband I had my sun/moon mp (which is also exactly conj my own Saturn in my chart) oppose my ex's Venus. So I suppose it does count. Sometimes I think maybe our Sun/Moon mp sign describes how we act or how we 'do' relationship. I know it's supposed to be a 7th house cusp, but I can kind of relate to my midpoint sign. IP: Logged |
appleberry
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From: Venusian
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posted December 31, 2011 03:52 AM
not as much trines and sextiles because the energy is too relaxed and therefore is too "lazy" to attract much...3* orb doesn't seem like a wide orb...
what is the orb min/max that should be used in calculating midpoints? is it different for conjunctions than for oppositions, squares, semisquares and sesquiquadrates?
Hmmm... speaking of Composites... can you check the composite sun/moon midpoint with the planets of the composite chart?
Interestingly enough, the sun/moon midpoint of our composite is semisquare both the composite sun and the composite moon by 1*.
Also the Composite Sun/Moon midpoint is:
- Exact semisquare with composite Eros and composite Juno. - Exactly conjunct composite Pholus (Turning point, Rapid transformation- which this relationship was instantly) - Exactly sesquiquadrate composite Valentine. - Exactly square composite Lust. - Opposite composite NN by 5* orb. - Wide quincunxes with both composite Saturn and composite Pluto. (wide being approx 5-8*) - Sextile composites IC, Venus, Mercury, Lilith, Ceres. (Ceres exact) - Wide square with Psyche, Neptune and Vesta. - Wide trine with MC, Uranus, Nessus and Ixion.
I think it might be telling to have the Sun/Moon midpoint light up the composite chart. If anything, all the people in our lives think we are somehow meant to be together and that we are good together. The composite chart being for that 3rd entity that we produce as a couple, I think we might provide some kind of energy as a couple that is attractive for others...
Anyone agree with that from their own experiences? IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted December 31, 2011 04:15 AM
MVM!!! hellloooo!yes i agree it is how you 'do' relationship. at least that's how mine feels. i get very 'active' in my relationships and energized (or if not in, about them; always wanting to DO what is needed, and i get very restless about it)! my sun/moon is aries. however i'm not really like this in real life for the most part. i'm a fricking goofball/airhead/rock, generally speaking. weirdly enough i've never dated an aries, IN FACT (cripes) i know next to zero fire sign men for some annoying reason (sag stellium including venus, leo stellium in draco! what gives?). two aries moons though, but many many degrees from my mp. no early librans either. so that seems a bit odd. same for early caps and cancers, nothin. my current partner's sun/moon is one deg from my SN which also conjuncts his chiron and saturn, their midpoint in fact (opposing my saturn, and of course NN). not sure how that would feel to him though.. ?? familiar with a chance of healing, via a lot of hard work??  IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted December 31, 2011 04:15 AM
eta, just remembered that i briefly dated two early caps. hmm. both were extremely into me but i didn't feel quite the same intensity or devotion that they did. their suns were on my venus and i felt great affection for them both and it was very friendly and warm between us and though i tried with both of them, on that basis, it seemed they both were kind of obsessed with me and it actually sort of turned me off even despite the generally nice feelings between us. huh. i wonder what is up with that? also, isn't it usually venus who feels more for sun? IP: Logged |
lilithpluto
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posted December 31, 2011 05:21 AM
I know a guy, who has Sun-Chiron conjunction on my sun/moon midpoint and who is deeply attracted to me. I feel warm feelings for him, but I am not attracted to him that way.. He wld talk to me over the phone throughout the night until i doze off, sincerely wanting to understand me as a person... And he confessed he never does that to even any of his gfs.. Waking up at 7:30am despite sleeping at 5am chitchatting with me. I tried to love him but I care for him only as a friend. Instead, I fell hopelessly in love with his friend whom he introduced, whose sun/moon midpoint conjunct my mercury/vesta, and and whom I have a lot of Venus, Mars, Pluto, Saturn, Neptune, Juno, Lilith, Eros, psyche, union, aphrodite asteroids aspects etc. And despite all these wonderful aspects, sadly, it didn't exactly turn out lasting.  A generally feel good comfortable aspect like sun-moon midpoint activated may not mean marriage.. In my case, it only meant feel good feelings, comfortable n secure.. IP: Logged |
bittersweet81
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posted December 02, 2015 02:44 PM
This has been clarifying...
My Sun - Moon midpoint is at 9 Cancer. Now I understand why one of the love stories of my life was a Cancer (Sun at 11 degrees of Cancer)Now there is this Aries man... 3 planets in Cancer (Moon, Mars and Saturn) He attracts me like a magnet, it's almost insane. Nice synastry but not strong enough... no personal planets in angular houses, trine and sextile between Suns and Moons but with an orb too wide to be considered, not Mars - Venus aspects... BUT His Mars (ruler of his Sun) conjuncts exactly my Sun-Moon midpoint.
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Randall
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posted December 02, 2015 03:18 PM
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