posted January 04, 2012 03:16 AM            

"got together officially december 1 2010, broke up sept 4 2011 and got back together nov 30 2011"

posted January 04, 2012 03:22 AM            

i do know my progressed AC has been exactly on his mooon for some time but is now 29 degs as of today i think. and currently my progressed DC is cj my progressed moon and jupiter (alll three at 29).

posted January 04, 2012 03:41 AM            

saturn does oppose his stellium, yeah, and opposes mine too! i did read a pretty great article about it that feels like us, the good and the not so good.

but no i REALLY do not think he is an aqua moon. seriously, he is so friggging serious and not airy at all. i'm telling you. responsibility is his middle name. and caution is his second middle name. also he is super deliberate and slow and gentle and graceful and stubborn as heck and his face even kind of looks like a bull. i'm very sure he's taurus rising.

posted January 04, 2012 03:46 AM            

like, you want progressed synastry for all those dates, as well as progressed to natal aspects?

posted January 04, 2012 04:13 AM            

okay i am gonna have to plod though this slowly as my 2nd mercury is wont to do, all ruminatorily and such.

okay first things first, i am a huge fan of draco and i think it works beautifully (do you agree?). anyhow in draco my aqua stellium shifts to late leo, and this tends to satisfy my t-square predicament. it seems to naturally fall into place when i am embracing my NN with no effort required. oh i forget the context of you bringing that up..

oh yeah generosity and warmth and being less analytical. you know, i think the reason i feel so good with him is because we are so calm and warm-feeling when we are together. i don't really feel very overanalytical when with him and we both express a lot of warmth although it tends more to the piscean; our composite AC, mercury, venus sun and moon are all in pisces. i think another factor there is the venus/chiron/taurus/IC stuff you mentioned.. but yeah i do find it easier to express warmth and generosity with him than i do with people in general.

maybe a cause of this (overdoing?) is as you say my jupiter square his venus? and my jupiter opposes his moon as well. the problem is that i don't really know how he takes my efforts because he does not express his feelings much. but i will look out for that more.

oh gosh, i have to sleep, otherwise i'd plod through, but my brain is shutting down. back in the morning and thanks! wowza.

posted January 04, 2012 03:15 PM            

i'm gonna leap ahead to what you said about his sun/venus not being scared to lose anyone because of his powers of attraction (which i had never considered either but makes sense). i'm very fuzzy on how chiron behaves (if it is not wounded, is it healing?), but i think my chiron there affects him in an interesting way. okay you are definitely right that he knows he's hot and is very confident with women. and i think it exacerbated MY wounds there for a while.. we spent 9 months in an undefined relationship that we called 'just sex' and though we rarely discussed the deeper/heavier stuff verbally there was a lot of email discussion sorting out the perimiters and the meaning of what we were doing. for a while i felt very insecure since i did not know if he was seeing others, etc, but it forced me to deal with all of those feelings and find my own unshakable confidence and self-worth. in reading about the 2nd house (and as you say my DC ruler is in 2nd so this might indicate an 'especial' relevance to my relationships) in steven forrest's book the inner sky i came to understand the second house a lot better- i've never been super money-oriented, etc.

i also think the wound he exacerbates has a lot to do with my parents' (short lived) relationship because my dad was a ladies man, everyone's 'dream man' growing up (mom said this and had confirmation by an old girlfriend too) and cheated on my mom a bunch. this turned my mom's last bit of naive sweetness into wrathful hatred of him and me and she proceeded to attempt to destroy me mentally and sometimes physically (literally tried to kill me a few times) throughout the rest of my childhood. so yeah, i guess chiron packs a lot of baggage, and i can see the correlation to this situation. however i REFUSE to be with someone who would navigate life with emotional irresponsibility and my emails to him reflected an acceptance and tolerance for whatever path he decides to take with the firm underline being that he treat me with integrity and that i will not tolerate if i find out he has not done so. so i left things pretty open ended while also honouring the closeness between us. then when things were just starting to get better and he apologized a bunch for leaving me hanging for several weeks, saying he did not deserve my kindness, saying he would do better, they fell apart just as quickly (this being sept 3/4) and i ended things because he suddenly became cold and reinforced the 'just sex' aspect and because a week previous to that my friend had come and told me she was going to sleep with him (she did not know we were together) so i told them both to have a great time (no idea if he was intending it or if she was just imagining things), and they ended up together for a couple of weeks. then me and her got into several lengthy email discussions and meanwhile i was trying to find closure in a way that still honoured our connection but valued my own dignity/worth above it. she then told me he felt terribly about what he'd done to me and was starting to realize how much he cared for me, etc. when we got back together he made quite clear that he had been stupid to go with her, that he was dishonouring our connection, that i had been right about pretty much everything (and i write a lot! gem DC, yikes), he was going to prove himself etc. THEN i find out from my friend that he's apparently been flirting with women in front of her when they were together briefly. well she is a little strange in the head sometimes so i don't know if this is definitely the case BUT i do know his confidence is high and that when he initially woo-ed me he was extremely flirtatious and very very good at it. but the weird thing is that i have never witnessed him flirt with anyone else around me. not once. so i told him that she'd told me this and that if he feels the need to flirt with women to go right ahead but that if he ever sleeps with anyone else, i'm out. and i don't really feel afraid or insecure anymore about this aspect of things and i do feel that he is serious about me, and that the flirting silliness was his own insecurities and superficial crap and he feels grateful that he doesn't need that distraction anymore. that is the impression i get.

so.. all this to say, i think i somehow temper this tendency in him, maybe.. heal it? can my chiron there do that? it's like i sober him up. well, that seems to me to also/especially be my saturn in his 5th. i was thinking about his chart the other day and with his stellium there he is very sexually.. ahem.. well, 'pefected'. he obviously knows what he is doing and has worked hard on perfecting his skills. and yeah the trine to his venus/sun has made him promiscuous as far as i can tell in the past. i think my saturn there actually stops him in his tracks and forces him to evaluate what he is doing with that house. so i don't think i 'restrict' him except in a good way; i discipline his 'sexual rebelliousness' and if i may be frank i do feel quite confident in the fact that he values my own particular 'skill set' and even more so the connection we share that makes it even better. i think pretty much all of the energy of his virgo stellium is expressed here and i think maybe he found a lot of self-worth or something by being so 'good' in this department and so able to attract women but i rendered it somehow uninteresting for him to continue to persue this line of activity/reasoning (via my friend) and i think a lot of that is the confidence i learned through this and my willingness to walk away if that is how i need to honour the connection we share.

posted January 04, 2012 03:53 PM            

hmm, haha, so this would indicate that no matter how much energy i put into anything, he's gonna stubbornly adhere to his own pace, right?

"jup in your 7th for open generous partner, in leo so ideal is optimistic and loves kids/creating. I dunno, he doesn't have leo, and his fire is singleton Aries Merc. Are you missing a lot of enthusiasm from him, that you're used to in relationships?"

i'm not really used to a lot of enthusiasm in relationships per se.. hmmm. maybe due to retrograde jupiter? i tend to BE rather enthusiastic though.. and yeah kids and creativity are at the top of my list, as well as a general tendency to optimism. but it's true, his general slowness and mellow nature probably does frustrate my jupiter. in composite our NN is conjunct my jupiter by 1 degree but i'm not sure how the two interact exactly. i feel that my optimism/seeing the bright side/big picture orientation is appreciated by him even if it is not exactly his nature.. but yeah maybe i need to tone it down in some respects. i never realized it could be a bother to his sun/venus.

speaking of composite and NN, our comp saturn is on his NN and most likely comp IC as well (but i'm not really sure how that would play out- does saturn help or hinder his NN? i'm assuming IC would help draw him down comfortably into the energy, but saturn is not very comforting is he? maybe the three being together are there to bring-attention-to issues of nurturing and early home life and that in learning saturn's lessons there can be growth -NN?- and maybe IC is just like a gravitational force as opposed to necessarily comfy?).. which brings me to..

"Saturn is sq his NN, your Saturn is conj your NN, these are 2 basic themes in common, but with him he's dealing w.heavy restrictions emotionally the saturn Pisces, squaring his NN, he finds it a diff gap to bridge, your Saturn on your node, it's part of your path to embrace the inherent restrictions in life, and being in command, clear minded, he needs a lot of leeway cos he's still getting used to being his own authority, it's one of his main struggles."

so the composite stuff seems to reinforce this pattern in that, jupiter is my chart ruler, and saturn is his moon ruler. our 'path' would seem to be to just have fun, be creative and share our warmth/joy and my jupiter would seem to assist this, and compo saturn on his NN would ..well i'm not sure. but it feels significant. reinforce the need for this to be worked through, and that our relationship helps him deal with his own struggles with authority?

also how do you mean he needs lots of leeway with it? i need to let him come to terms with it, give him the space to find his way to "author" his life in such a way? i'm just not sure how that translates to his needs and our relationship. and yeah i feel pretty comfortable with restrictions and pacing and one step at a time type stuff, even if meanwhile my fire placements and t-square is going a little nuts!

posted January 04, 2012 04:18 PM            

okay and then our composite is more about how we feel as a unit and how our 'stuff' fuses and the issues we face as a unified team, right?

well i think the confusion seems to come mostly from this preponderance of piscean energy that feels so melty-good when we are together, like all of our 'stuff' seems to dissolve, quite literally, and we just soak eachother in and float and there is next to no distinction between our selves and our bond. i've never felt this with anyone so i can't help but think it must be all the pisces energy. we are both 100% aware of one anothers' energy at all times and it is a sense of oneness, an easy give and take and flow.

so the trouble seems to come when we are not together (we've never fought or felt badly together.. the closest it's come is when he has gone stoney and i've looked at him with disappointment or confusion), and then it's like all of our 'stuff' is even more obvious.. and the saturn/saturn opposition seems to dominate, to demand to be reckonned with. but when we are TOGETHER, well it is all dreamy-sweet and relaxed and flowing.

posted January 05, 2012 08:26 PM            

and it was a misunderstanding on my part. someone has trust issues

posted January 06, 2012 04:03 PM            

so his:

-pMercury is trine my sun (0), applying
-pJupiter is trine my merc + mars (1) applying
-pVenus is opposite my venus by 4 separating but i think that is too wide? far as i remember it was separating before we met by 2 already so might not 'count'
-pMoon cj my pluto (2) separating
-pMars trine my moon (0) separating
-pSaturn cj my NN (1) applying
-pIC possibly cj my saturn

my:

-pASC cj his moon (probably 0, separating)
-pMoon, pJupiter, pDC opp his moon (1) separating
-pSun cj his chiron (2) applying
-pMars opp his mars (1) applying
-pSaturn (retro) cj his mars (1) applying
-pIC cj his jupiter (1) separating