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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 08, 2012 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My son is coming of age and it would soon be his 16th birthday. He is an Aquarius.

I especially appreciate help from parents on here.

He has been chronically ill all his life but we all have been taking care of matters, and nobody can tell that he is ill.

He is a serious young man who is self-motivating and achievement driven. Yes, so are my wife and I, but we do not exert pressure, and he excels in whatever he likes: school, music (piano, violin, guitar), horse riding, etc.

He's coming of age and while girls have flocked to him since he started school, this time its an issue of girls outright wanting to have sex with him. One girl had the audacity to ask my wife if my son could stay *the weekend* with her in her home with her parents gone. We called the girl's parents and they were like " they should enjoy themselves." Unbelievable. What should I do? Buy them a case of booze to complement the sex?

I know for a fact that he is a virgin, and has not engaged in such hanky panky, and I have my ways of getting the truth out of him at any time. I'm strict and run Guantanamo Bay here at home. There is no lying, and the consequences are so severe that nobody wants to think about them. Never mind water boarding. Pray for that.

The problem is that he is attracted to the "bad girl" image (too much Hollywood?), while a steady stream of good girls want to have a relationship with him. The "good girls" are generally those in his orchestra, taking advanced placements, studying for the SATs, dressing respectfully, etc. The "bad girls" generally have their boobs hanging out, are beer drinking (yes, at 15 years old), cigarette smoking (and beginning to experiment with drugs), trampish looking, etc. And they are sexually active. I'm trying so hard to get him away from the "bad girls," who can only lead to bad news. His mother and I have been deleting undesirous girls off his Facebook and Twitter.

His mother and I are also concerned that girls are attracted to him for all the wrong reasons: materialism, etc. His mom dresses him ridiculously well, and she knows I blame her for that. 15 year olds should dress modestly in Old Navy, not designer brands.

He starts to drive next year, and I am intentionally getting him an uncool car. The old school boxy Volvo wagon or equivalent comes to mind. As it is, girls are already pressuring *me* to give him a convertible. No way.

Church generally doesn't work with teens. I know that too well myself. I was rotten as a teen. I want this young man who is a much better guy than I am to turn out better and have an easier path in life.

Help appreciated.


Major aspects
Sun Conjunction Mars 7°04
Moon Opposition Jupiter 1°36
Moon Quincunx Pluto 1°56
Mercury Sextile Venus 1°21
Mercury Sextile Saturn 2°48
Mercury Sextile Ascendant 4°12
Venus Conjunction Saturn 1°27
Venus Sextile Neptune 5°11
Venus Trine Ascendant 2°51
Mars Square Ascendant 4°46
Saturn Sextile Neptune 3°44
Saturn Trine Ascendant 1°24
Uranus Conjunction Neptune 5°19
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amelia28
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posted January 08, 2012 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I completely understand your concern as a parent but the more you try to control him the more he will rebel.

I imagine it must be extremely hard as parent to let their children make their own choices and make mistakes but as parents that is what you must do and just educate them as much as possible so when they do have sex they are careful and when they do explore other things you do not approve of they are at least smart about how they go about it.

Dont do to your children what you hated your parents doing to you. Try to find a middle ground.

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JohnFKennedy
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posted January 08, 2012 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like you, Ian. I've read your posts around here and I think you're an eloquent and well intentioned dude, but I couldn't help but laugh at this post. It just feels like you and your wife are doing everything in your power to make your son run further into the arms of rebellion.

The stricter the ship, the more inclined one feels to look for an escape route. Being forced into telling the truth instead of feeling comfortable enough to tell it as a natural inclination are two completely different things. You can still maintain boundaries as a parent while being a good guide and tutor to your son. Level with him - you know what it's like to be attracted to women. He shouldn't be demonized for his youthful choices in what he likes. Of course he likes bad girls! He's a standard teenage dude, just like most teenage girls are drawn to bad boys. Honestly, the sooner his curiosity is satiated and he realizes that this genre of person probably has nothing to offer, he'll steer himself on the right path. He'll want better for himself. Best to let these natural inclinations take their path now until he's like, 26 years old, still hasn't had a chance to get his bad girl phase out of his system, and marries one or something.

You can't stop your kids from doing anything. Honestly, though. All you can do is give them the proper blue prints to handle these situations as a responsible person would, and hope they make the right decision. And if they don't? Their sadness over the situation will be lesson enough - and he'll be grateful he has two understanding parents to set him straight instead of demonizing him for his young choices. He can't be straight laced forever, you know this. We all need to right out our phases, get them out of our system, and pick up our true purpose again. I honestly feel like that's the best advice I can give.

Your son isn't some mindless puppet. It's not like deleting those girls off his Facebook has the exact effect of deleting them from his mind. If anything, it's only going to make his fascination grow stronger because it's been denied of him.

Oh and duh, his chart. What caught my eye first was actually his Venus/Saturn conjunction in Pisces. I'm very well acquainted with this aspect.. the guy I'm currently seeing has it. There is a lack of comprehension of boundaries - a supremely dreamy and erotic air. He first had sex when he was 12 years old, but he had his first girlfriend when he was 26 if that says anything about him. (Saturn = delays in love in conjunction to Venus, but Venus is exalted in Pisces so when he loves, it's the height of romanticism). Cancer moon in the 8th.. Pluto loosely conjunct the asc, Taurus DSC with a Gemini dominated 7th.. I mean, it may be crass to imply this, but I see your son being quite the successful ladies man.

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CAY_512
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posted January 08, 2012 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a tough one. The biggest thing is to make sure he really knows how hard his life will be if he gets a girl pregnant. All the responsiblity and having this girl in his life for at least 18 years as well as the potential for getting STDs.

Also, if your going to tell him not to, maybe tell him if he does something to wear a condom and some girls lie about being on the pill or taking it regularally.

I'd say educate, but its hard to get a high school boy to make the choice not to have sex.

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 08, 2012 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all. It's going to happen sooner or later, and it happenned to me much earlier. I'm just trying my best to shelter.

My parents couldn't control me. I was so out of control that I left home at 14 years old, and they sent me far, far away from them, across continents and oceans, where I got my freedom and was as rotten as can be. I did turn out well on my own, but that's a separate matter.

We volunteered him at the daycare, where he spends hours changing dirty baby diapers. It drives home the message.

I know what it is to be successful with the women. That is exactly what I'm fearful of.

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CAY_512
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posted January 08, 2012 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think working at a daycare is the best thing you could have done to make him understand how much work kids are. I often feel bad for teens who become parents young (all that responsiblity) I love and am very greatful for my son but glad I waited til my late twenty's to have him.

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We volunteered him at the daycare, where he spends hours changing dirty baby diapers. It drives home the message

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NickiG
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posted January 08, 2012 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i was completely dumbstruck as i read your post Ian...i am no parent, but i do babysit a 13 year old boy (the farthest from respectful, that is for sure)

if he is anything like i was as a teen then he would at least respect his parents wishes

i didnt have sex until i was a legal adult, same with drinking alcohol...and drugs? forget it

sorry, i cant give you real help, but i know one thing that kept me away from all the terrible stuff as a teen was seeing the reality of what happens when you delve into the bad stuff...STDs, hard drugs after a year (before and after pictures) and stuff like that

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CAY_512
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posted January 08, 2012 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NickiG made me want to add something. The reason I never drank or did drugs was because I didn't want to distriy my body (Virgo=health) and my parents talked to me a lot about how drugs/alcohol distroys the body. Your son is aqu. Sun so I definitely would talk about how having kids limits an individuals freedom. Might help.

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posted January 08, 2012 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I commend you, Ian. I grew up in a really nice (before the recession anyway), upper middle class to upper class neighborhood. My god, I have never seen so much depravity compared to what I saw my classmates do when they had the chance. And their parents let them! At 15! Drugs, sex, alcohol, you name it. They were educated, given the tools they needed to be "safe", and ended up being complete messes. Unfortunately, they all have jobs at Fortune 500 companies now (right after what I can imagine was an extremely depraved college experience) and running all us plebeians because of Mumsy and Dadsy.

With that said, I also had a lot of friends who were on the opposite side of the spectrum, living in "low class" apartments or homes across town. Oligarchy at its finest... Their parents were strict as hell, they got junk cars, and went to community college. And guess what - they're the best people I've ever known. Well balanced, smart, and moral. They're not the richest people, but the richest in life, IMHO.

I also understand where you're coming from with protecting your kids. The world is a ****** up place. This isn't the 90s where you can give your kids the freedom to explore and a blueprint of life, and just hope they turn out okay.

And for the girls, more power to you. I'm not against anyone having sex as long as they're safe, but for god sakes, keep him away from those girls. I grew up with them. You think you know them? You don't even know what "bad" girls are like these days. I know them, and from what I can sense from your son, they'll sex him up so he'll be obsessed and squeeze every dime they can out of him until they're either pregnant or he marries her. Then they'll introduce him to all sorts of trouble like extreme alcoholism and drugs.

The uncool car is a right of passage that all people should be forced to live through.

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posted January 08, 2012 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just read and wanted to send my love, Ian!

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posted January 08, 2012 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NickiG:
i was completely dumbstruck as i read your post Ian...i am no parent, but i do babysit a 13 year old boy (the farthest from respectful, that is for sure)

if he is anything like i was as a teen then he would at least respect his parents wishes

i didnt have sex until i was a legal adult, same with drinking alcohol...and drugs? forget it

sorry, i cant give you real help, but i know one thing that kept me away from all the terrible stuff as a teen was seeing the reality of what happens when you delve into the bad stuff...STDs, hard drugs after a year (before and after pictures) and stuff like that


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posted January 08, 2012 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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