posted January 10, 2012 09:42 PM            

-Do Leos show you how they feel rather than (and I don't know how to put this) "emote"? You know how water signs are very nurturing and emotional, and you KNOW they love you? I'm used to that.

When I get involved with a Leo it's a bit unnerving because I don't understand their "love language" per se.

I was at best-friend status with my Leo ex, and he'd say "I love you" quite often but never to my face; only through text or at the end of a phone call. He'd call me every night consistently, but talk about himself the majority of the time. One of the few times I actually FELT he cared about me was when a friend was making up stories about me concerning our friendship, he was livid. Or when I was quite inebriated one night and had a breakdown. He was very sympathetic and caring the next day. It's as if he didn't understand the depth of what I was talking about unless I was dramatic about it. He had Venus and Mars in Leo too - oh, wait. I guess he had a problem with projection. Like he didn't understand what he himself didn't possess type of deal?

posted January 10, 2012 10:05 PM            

Or you might just be misinterpreting his behaviour to be 'colder' when actually-he does say he loves you and etc... I mean a lot of men are not that talkative about their feelings.

In my experience - I can't remember exactly everything every Leo in my life said & did lol - but my overall vibe was that I always felt (and feel) loved by them.
There was never a feeling that they were cold..nor that I was 'giving' more than they were to the relationship or friendship.

posted January 10, 2012 10:07 PM            

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Do Leos show you how they feel rather than (and I don't know how to put this) "emote"?

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No..
Honestly - I don't feel this way..
There are three Leo men who I know extremely well but I've also known many others. They are not like this. Virgos are like this. Leos do emote!

posted January 10, 2012 10:26 PM            

Holy eff!

Except I'm a cancer sun...

I used to have a leo bestie and now i'm getting close to another Leo. On the phone, yes, they only talk about themselves, and i felt ignored most of the time bc everything was about them :/. They act like they care one minute and they do something self-centered the next like in person will try to hog all the attention in a conversation to themselves, or not make eye contact, or just something else that was kind of insensitive, like always take everything personally. Like if i ever criticize them for anything they will never ever accept blame, and i end up feeling like everything is my fault. Very draining. Veeerry nice when they would show they cared though. We are always very sweet to each other. Damn near perfect. But i couldnt take the other stuff tho...too draining

btw i think geminis are like that, too. They so do not show u how much they care...they act hot n cold.

posted January 12, 2012 05:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
No..
Honestly - I don't feel this way..
There are three Leo men who I know extremely well but I've also known many others. They are not like this. Virgos are like this. Leos do emote!

hmmmmm I'm really not sure why he's acting this way... Does he lack water in his chart completely?

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No, he has Mercury in Cancer. I met another fellow with Capricorn rising, Leo sun, Capricorn moon (instead of Sagittarius like my Leo-ex) and Mercury in Cancer... not as sly as my ex, but still lied a TON (horrible at it - saw right through him but we had a weird connection. For some reason my Scorpio friend always believed him.) and was into smooth talking to hush any ruffled feathers.

posted January 12, 2012 05:38 AM            

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Omg! I knooowww exactly what. You're. Talking. About.

Holy eff!

Except I'm a cancer sun...

I used to have a leo bestie and now i'm getting close to another Leo. On the phone, yes, they only talk about themselves, and i felt ignored most of the time bc everything was about them :/. They act like they care one minute and they do something self-centered the next like in person will try to hog all the attention in a conversation to themselves, or not make eye contact, or just something else that was kind of insensitive, like always take everything personally. [b]Like if i ever criticize them for anything they will never ever accept blame, and i end up feeling like everything is my fault. Very draining. Veeerry nice when they would show they cared though. We are always very sweet to each other. Damn near perfect. But i couldnt take the other stuff tho...too draining

btw i think geminis are like that, too. They so do not show u how much they care...they act hot n cold.

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YES. YES. YES. Did you know my Leo-ex? LOL.

He was the worst about eye contact! Looking back now I still think it was due to him being dishonest, but I also think I made him nervous and he wouldn't admit it. But do you know how much TROUBLE we would save if he would just admit to stuff? But oh no, because then what would that make him look like? Their logic is so ... skewed. I'm a pretty frank person so I understand how that can come off intense but I'm in a relationship I'm pretty vulnerable and sweet as pie.

It was definitely very, very draining. So much that I basically had a miniature mental breakdown and finally cut off contact with him! I wasn't built to experience something like that, good lord. He was never that generous with me either. I mean he tried to be when I first met him I guess but it made me uncomfortable having someone pay for all my stuff. Like I'm demure and need to depend on someone... but they are the BEST at creating a mood or making you feel a certain way.

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With Aries, i think it's impossible for them to not show how much they care all the time bc they are so genuine and so much themselves. I think cancer is like that too...overflowing with emotions we couldnt hide if we wanted to. Well, that goes for all the other water signs as well. But i noticed aries are not as independent as i thought. They constantly shower me with love. Sagittarius too, but aries is better at expressing emotions with their face body language etc. Aries also like to hug a lot! Lol. Well at least the ones i am friends with..[/B]

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Yeah that's what I was thinking about tonight. My friend rolled in from outta town (Virgo Sun, Sag Moon) and I realized after she left that she's quite possibly the cockiest person I've come across in a long time. Just strolls on up in here after not seeing me for 4 years and acts like she knows me and knows my life, and tries to change the way I interact with people to HER way.

I realized Sag mooners come off fake a lot of the time. Sag suns are friendly and easy to get along with but they're not very easy to "stick" by, you know what I mean? And Leos care so much about what everyone else thinks and how little or often you worship the toast they made you three days ago. Aries seem to be the chillest fire sign out of the three of them, and I say that unbiasedly.

I think it's stressful for an Aries to hide their emotions! And no once an Aries really cares for you they are not big loner bad-***** anymore. They usually want to be with you the majority of the time if you're their favorite. Don't know about the hugging thing. I always thought it was stupid my friends hugged each other after every single class in junior high. You know they'd meet at the lockers and go "Julieeee!" *hug* "Ciara!" *hug*... like, why? You just saw them 45 minutes ago and you knew we were meeting at the lockers.....

posted January 12, 2012 05:57 AM            

That's what I feel. Aries is the most genuine and the least complicated of the fire signs. Definitely the easiest to understand. And yes, I have experienced the aries clinginess once they decide they really like you. I looove it! So much attention. Lol. It's like they've been holding back and waiting all their life to shower a ton of attention on that special person or something.

About sag suns..yeah! I think it's because they change a lot maybe? Like, they seem to be all over the place and to change friends and lifestyles often. To be honest, aries also seem that way, so do leos. But I think leos are the worst at personal relationships because of their self-centeredness. Exactly! Their logic is so totally skewed! I think it's because of their self-centeredness! They take eeeeverything personally and make it something emotional. Not logical at all. My dad is an aries and he despises most leos. Lol. Shrugs. I dont despise them..I get along with them. It's just that I do agree they are probably the hardest fire sign to get along with. At least Sag is honest, easygoing, and doesnt have an ego that gets in the way of absolutely everything.

posted January 12, 2012 09:54 AM            

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Lol yeah the hugging every 30 minutes thing does sound stupid. I know what you mean, and yeah that did annoy me, too in high school. But i mean, like, real heartfelt hugs. Like friendly sweet and playful hugs to people you really care about.

That's what I feel. Aries is the most genuine and the least complicated of the fire signs. Definitely the easiest to understand. And yes, I have experienced the aries clinginess once they decide they really like you. I looove it! So much attention. Lol. It's like they've been holding back and waiting all their life to shower a ton of attention on that special person or something.

About sag suns..yeah! I think it's because they change a lot maybe? Like, they seem to be all over the place and to change friends and lifestyles often. To be honest, aries also seem that way, so do leos. But I think leos are the worst at personal relationships because of their self-centeredness. Exactly! Their logic is so totally skewed! I think it's because of their self-centeredness! They take eeeeverything personally and make it something emotional. Not logical at all. My dad is an aries and he despises most leos. Lol. Shrugs. I dont despise them..I get along with them. It's just that I do agree they are probably the hardest fire sign to get along with. At least Sag is honest, easygoing, and doesnt have an ego that gets in the way of absolutely everything.

That's pretty interesting that we experienced the same things with leos! Like you said...very draining. I also had a mental breakdown and had to end my friendship with my best friend because the feeling of being her little slave was making me pull my hair out. I'm sarting tofeel the same way about this new leo friend....

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And yet you say you get along with them LOL

posted January 12, 2012 12:46 PM            

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Yeah that's what I was thinking about tonight. My friend rolled in from outta town (Virgo Sun, Sag Moon) and I realized after she left that she's quite possibly the cockiest person I've come across in a long time. Just strolls on up in here after not seeing me for 4 years and acts like she knows me and knows my life, and tries to change the way I interact with people to HER way.

I realized Sag mooners come off fake a lot of the time. Sag suns are friendly and easy to get along with but they're not very easy to "stick" by, you know what I mean? And Leos care so much about what everyone else thinks and how little or often you worship the toast they made you three days ago. Aries seem to be the chillest fire sign out of the three of them, and I say that unbiasedly.

I think it's stressful for an Aries to hide their emotions! And no once an Aries really cares for you they are not big loner bad-***** anymore. They usually want to be with you the majority of the time if you're their favorite. Don't know about the hugging thing. I always thought it was stupid my friends hugged each other after every single class in junior high. You know they'd meet at the lockers and go "Julieeee!" *hug* "Ciara!" *hug*... like, why? You just saw them 45 minutes ago and you knew we were meeting at the lockers.....

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"Sag mooners come off as fake."

Mmmm...just out of curiosity, how do you attribute that to the moon and not the sun...or the mercury...or perhaps any other aspect in this person's chart? Or have you just analyzed the charts of everyone you know who has a Sag moon and felt they were all insincere? Could be that your friend is fake and cocky. I only ask because you seem very certain.

Beyond that, I experienced the eye contact thing with a Leo sun as well, and the attention thing also. In a group of people, everyone started talking about me (I don't like the spotlight too much mind you, esp. flattery). The Leo seemed really upset, stormed off and wouldn't talk to me until some time after that. It was very strange.

posted January 12, 2012 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
"Sag mooners come off as fake."

Mmmm...just out of curiosity, how do you attribute that to the moon and not the sun...or the mercury...or perhaps any other aspect in this person's chart? Or have you just analyzed the charts of everyone you know who has a Sag moon and felt they were all insincere? Could be that your friend is fake and cocky. I only ask because you seem very certain.

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Are you a Sag moon?

I more or less try to find out everyone's birthday whom I interact with more than small-talk. It just so happens I've come across more Sag moons than not. Perhaps "fake" was a bit quick on my part, but my point is that is the least down to earth placement. Although I just learned Sag Mercury is in detriment, I don't think a Mercury placement would cause someone to give off the vibe of being shallow (which is what I mean when I say fake. Sometimes it takes me a bit to even understand what I, myself, really mean. ) Also, insincere is a very apt word. Even though I'm spouting off about them right now it isn't as if I run scared if I find out someone has a Sag moon. Finding that out gives me an "Oh, THAT explains it." moment.

posted January 12, 2012 05:43 PM            

I'm not sure about sag mooners being fake or not? I havent really experienced that....I hate sag mercury though! Omg i knew a scorpio and a sag with tht placement...wow...so up on themselves! Massive ego.

If you look up the interpretation of mercury in sag ull see ull find close mindedness, shallowness, and thinking their opinions are the only right ones, so that was probably a steong contributing factor to his personality.

posted January 12, 2012 06:19 PM            

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[B]Hannah, my friend has cap sun, sag moon, aqua mercury and venus and scorpio rising and she comes off as very know-it-all-ish. My other friend has scorpio rising, virgo sun, libra moon, libra mercury and also comes off very knowitallish! So your hunches are spot on.

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Thank you! I get a lot of flack for the way I think in terms of astrology because I place no boundaries on it, but more and more I'm really discounting what planet the sign is in, and looking at the fact that these two signs are in the same chart together. Again, not discounting the planet/sign combination doesn't mean anything but explaining how my hunches work.

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I'm not sure about sag mooners being fake or not? I havent really experienced that....I hate sag mercury though! Omg i knew a scorpio and a sag with tht placement...wow...so up on themselves! Massive ego.

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Well I look at Sag as expanding anything it touches. Moon? Then you're looking at someone with a HUGE temper, but they get over it just as fast. Mercury? I never would've thought they were high on themselves, but it makes sense. I've never looked at Mercury as something self-oriented as weird as that sounds.

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If you look up the interpretation of mercury in sag ull see ull find close mindedness, shallowness, and thinking their opinions are the only right ones, so that was probably a steong contributing factor to his personality.

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But you could also say they're wildly encouraging idealists no? This is where I have trouble understanding the difference between Mercury and the Moon. I know one is thought and one is emotion but their descriptions of expression are basically the same. Also, he had Mercury in Cancer. The guy who had Mercury in Sag was a Capricorn, Scorpio moon, Venus Scorpio and Mars in Pisces.

I like Aquariuses! They're big babies, but they're similar to me in accepting people as they are even if they disagree. I didn't know Aquarius was full on themselves though.

posted January 12, 2012 06:36 PM            

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Are you a Sag moon?

I more or less try to find out everyone's birthday whom I interact with more than small-talk. It just so happens I've come across more Sag moons than not. Perhaps "fake" was a bit quick on my part, but my point is that is the least down to earth placement. Although I just learned Sag Mercury is in detriment, I don't think a Mercury placement would cause someone to give off the vibe of being shallow (which is what I mean when I say fake. Sometimes it takes me a bit to even understand what I, myself, really mean. ) Also, insincere is a very apt word. Even though I'm spouting off about them right now it isn't as if I run scared if I find out someone has a Sag moon. Finding that out gives me an "Oh, THAT explains it." moment.

As far as my friend goes I think her Scorpio ASC and Libra Mercury and Venus definitely enhance, if not take the entire credit for being know-it-all persona. I know Scorpio in general is said to be comprised of total ego, the self. Libras are charming but have a subtle stubborness about their ideas and opinions.

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Yes, I am a Sag moon. I know a few, and it is actually the 'least' likely thing I've ever heard said about me or the people I know. But to be 'completely' honest with you, the only time people describe me as that is when I threaten their territory--I was told this by an 'aged' Virgo sun, and it has been true. People have even admitted it to me. Other than this, I've never been described as that, at all. Especially when people find out I'm not concerned about 'their territory' I'm trying to expand, which doesn't not necessarily include conquering, lol. And I know how this might 'come off' and sound. But I'm just being honest about what I've experienced.

I have a tendency to respond in a similar when people say things about one specific planet because they 'know' that is the reason why a person is this way or that, despite us all having personal biases and perspectives (not referring to you, specifically). We all dislike certain traits. Sometimes we notice they they are common amongst people, and we go on a scavenger hunt to figure what they have in common. People do it with race, class, hair color, eye color, skin tone, job status...etc, lol, so astrology isn't any different. We all do it at some point with astrology, almost as if it is a matter of fact. But, it can be so relative, so many nuances in one chart!

For me it was ironic and I responded because I'd just been told the exact opposite the past weekend. But it is probably best to take a detached perspective on these things, I forget that sometimes.

But then again, I've had 'associates' who have a view of me that is COMPLETELY different from others. They seem so sure of how others are likely to perceive me, and then they find people feel nothing like they do and see me in a completely different light. I have Sun, Moon and Venus in Sag, among others. So maybe my Sun in Sag tempers my moon in Sag. I can't be fake. If I don't like you, its not that I don't want to hide it--I can't hide it. Not on my face, and certainly not in my communication/language (merc. in Scorpio). Lol!

But, I will say that if I like you--I will let you know. Possibly a lot. I can see how this might very well come off as insincere and fake, because I'm nice and fair to everyone (Libra rising). And you might resent me for it, thinking "I'm not real, can't really like me/her/him...etc." But I am, when I am. And then, when I finally actually dislike someone, the difference is very pronounced. There is no other way!

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[B]Hannah, my friend has cap sun, sag moon, aqua mercury and venus and scorpio rising and she comes off as very know-it-all-ish. My other friend has scorpio rising, virgo sun, libra moon, libra mercury and also comes off very knowitallish! So your hunches are spot on.

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posted January 12, 2012 10:14 PM            

Sure I have mad school girl crushes, where Im crazy about the person, BUT Im not in love.. Its two totally different things...

To be honest, I cant really even say Ive ever been in love....

For me love is something,that would take years of work, and complete trust and faith...
I wont give my heart out easily because I know,once I give it.. I will give my entire soul, and to break that would be breaking my entire self into tiny pieces. Recovery would take years and years.. If even ever...
Once I will love, I will love forever and never ever let go...

Im 39 and this pisces guy, is the first guy, that I really feel like, I could give him my all...

posted January 12, 2012 11:06 PM            

oh, ok i thought it might not have been the leo guy u were talking about who had the mercury in sag.

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Thank you! I get a lot of flack for the way I think in terms of astrology because I place no boundaries on it, but more and more I'm really discounting what planet the sign is in,

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posted January 13, 2012 03:17 PM            

Leos do act - but being fixed they are slower in acting in comparison to a cardinal sign. I'm a slow poach in love because of my Taurus Venus, so I think that's why they usually initiate.

I think it's up to you whether you do 'the work' or not.