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athenegoddess
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posted January 13, 2012 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me and my boyfriend have some very interesting synastry. I never bothered looking at our draconic synastry though, and I found something that I wanted to look further into. In our regular synastry, we have ever planet conjunct or in opposition except my Mars and his Jupiter. Oddly enough, It's my Mars in Pisces that progresses into Aries, the sign his Jupiter is in. But then I looked at the Draconic synastry and found that my Mars is indeed in Aries and all the other planets between our draconic charts are still mirroring each other! Both of our North Nodes are in Pisces, which seems to me our destiny is somewhat leading to an 'end point' if you will since Pisces is the 12th sign.

My Draconic chart:

Sun Cancer 21
Moon Capricorn 22
Mercury Cancer 2
Venus Gemini 27
Mars Aries 6
Jupiter Gemini 9
Saturn Capricorn 12
Uranus Capricorn 12
Neptune Capricorn 22
Pluto Scorpio 23
Chiron Cancer 14
Asc Libra 26

His Draconic chart:

Sun Sagittarius 26
Moon Scorpio 14
Mercury Sagittarius 23
Venus Capricorn 25
Mars Scorpio 17
Jupiter Aries 21
Saturn Sagittarius 25
Uranus Sagittarius 28
Neptune Capricorn 8
Pluto Scorpio 13
Chiron Gemini 27
Asc Capricorn 13

His Draconic Destinn Cancer 21 is also conjunct my Draconic Sun. His Draconic chart is basically the same thing as his natal chart because his Natal NN is at 28 Pisces. Mine is at 16 Pisces. The draconic chart is an interesting chart because I'm not exactly sure how it works. I guess it's our immediate past life? But what then of someone who's natal is the same as their draconic chart??

-My Sun, Mercury, Chiron in Cancer (opposing his Venus/Neptune)
-My Moon, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune in Capricorn (conjunct his Venus/Neptune)
-My Venus, Jupiter in Gemini (opposing his Sun/Mercury/ Saturn/Uranus) and (conjunct his Chiron)
-My Mars in Aries (conjunct his Jupiter in Aries)
-My Pluto in Scorpio (conjunct his Moon/Mars/Pluto)


I find this to be very rare and it proves to me he is my twin flame.

Oh and another chart I feel plays a role in twin flame connections is the heliocentric sidereal chart which shows christ consciousness.

My helio Mars 13 Capricorn conjunct My IC 13 Capricorn, his Draconic ASC 13 Capricorn.

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posted January 13, 2012 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IamLoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how did you produce a "Draconic chart" and what is the difference between this chart and the regular kind?

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posted January 13, 2012 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You go to astro.com and select draconic chart..I'm not exactly sure the difference, but my intuition tells me since the Natal NN is removed from the draconic chart, it shows the energies before this incarnation. I guess people who are born when the NN is at 0 Aries are living out their past life then? LOL.. I don't understand it though, since those people have NN at 0 Aries. But then again associating 0 Aries with the Draconic chart probably isn't a good idea; maybe there is something much deeper going on.

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posted January 13, 2012 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mermaid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have NN conjunct NN (0 Degs)in synastry and so our draconic synastry aspects remain the same.I wonder if that means we are continuing the same way as we did in our past lives

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posted January 19, 2012 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just realized the Draconic chart is actually soul contracts. So conjunctions to the Natal from the Draco in synastry show ongoing soul karma destined to be worked out in this lifetime.

My boyfriends Draco Destinn is at 21 Cancer
My Draco Sun is at 21 Cancer.

The Sabian for which:

'A woman awaiting a sail boat'.

This brings so much energy into my consciousness when I meditate on this. It's so powerful. I have been waiting for him for many lifetimes.

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posted January 19, 2012 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your planets stay the same relative to each other, but your NN is moved to 0 degrees Aries.

That's a draconic chart - like my draconic Sun is 0 degrees since it's exact conjunct my NN.

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posted January 19, 2012 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 19, 2012 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm aware of that, but what of the underlying spiritual significance of moving your NN to Aries 0?

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posted January 19, 2012 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forgive me for bringing in some Saturn, but this is a topic with which I've become rather focussed the past few weeks, and thus, have done a lot of looking into it.

Your Draconic synastry isn't -that- astonishing to me. I'd be -much- more inclined to see your tropical-geo synastry, as well as the composite, 7H, potentially 8H, and also 9H. Those can be hugely revealing.

I've also noticed you'll see a BUNCH of karmic connections, and not far from the luminaries, especially in the composite - Karma and Destinn, for example; the nodes will obviously be involved, with the outers making a few crucial aspects.

The picture REALLY starts coming together then.

I'm NOT doubting your soul connection, and I, too have heard the Draconic to be indicative of soul contracts. However, I wouldn't go dashing off to it until you thoroughly investigate your tropical synastry, and the composite.

Just my $0.03.

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posted January 19, 2012 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I'm going to guess you're also born really close to each other? If you have every planet 'conjunct or in opposition' - which means Pluto as well; and having your Nodes conjunct, you'd have to be born no more than 1-1.5 years apart.

Is that why you're looking for synastry techniques outside of tropical-geo?

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posted January 19, 2012 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And what makes you think I haven't thoroughly researched our tropical synastry and composite/davison? Yes all show rather significant aspects.

Anyway, he is my twin flame. It's not about how great the synastry is, although ours is that too. It's about completing each other and our planets reflect that. Every one is conjunct or in opposition. That is extremely rare. If you don't think so, maybe you should second guess your astro knowledge....

It goes deeper than just looking at one house and what not. I'm talking extremely rare synastry and mine is that.

I was born in 88 and he was born in 87.


And his Draconic chart is the same as his Tropical chart which I put great emphasis on and was one of my points of both our evolution and why we chose to meet now.

his Draco ASC 13 Capricorn
my Natal IC 13 Capricorn
my helio Mars 13 Capricorn
Davison Vertex 13 Cancer

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posted January 19, 2012 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, the Draconic is cast from the natal node position. You basically take the vernal position for the NN. Ever notice how the Nodal axis in Draconics are always 00 Aries / 00 Libra?

It's also why ALL of the aspects are going to remain the same; it just exchanges signs, and degrees to some extent, but everything remains in -exactly- the same spot.

It can be very revealing. For example, a 19' Libra Sun (like yours truly) can become a 01' Gemini Sun. Same position, though.

I DO feel they have merit. In fact, I studied them heavily years ago. I just also feel they're hit and miss. Personally, if you're REALLY looking at twin-flames here, I'd expect, again, lots of conjunctions, and strong ties to the natal nodes - or even the composite nodes; let's be wild women!

Given you're saying your tropical -synastry- is -already- full of conjunctions - THAT's what I'd like to see FIRST. Because, and I mean this as respectfully as I can - the Draconic's not doing it for me here.

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posted January 19, 2012 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hun.. I have researched very in depth.. thanks. and yes I know about 0 Aries.

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posted January 19, 2012 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Yeah, but -which- planets? Are we talking Sun-Moon conjunction? Moon-Moon conjunction? Sun-Venus, Sun-Mars, Moon-Venus, Moon-Mars, Venus-Mars -- ?

What's really going on there?

And ... why does it seem to me you're getting defensive? If you've studied it in depth - and I never said you haven't - then, why aren't you sharing it?

I have one of the most rare composites anybody's ever -seen- -- they didn't even think it was -possible-. And given the synastry being mostly quintiles, septiles, quindeciles with some major aspects in particular places - it was a huge surprise to me. Not incredible, but unexpected.

I would -suspect-, with -that- many conjunctions between your synastry, that your composite would also have a lot of conjunctions among the personal planets?

I ask this, because research has dictated that's going to be a huge indicator, and I'm coming to discover that's true.

As for my 'astro-knowledge'? I've been studying it since you were born. Just sayin'.

Not trying to make enemies here; I'm just after good research, sharing the results, and comparing and contrasting notes so that we can all continue to learn.

Is that so bad? To ask for specifics so that I can review it myself? Is 'peer review' out of the question here?

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posted January 19, 2012 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just because I'm only sharing our draconic synastry doesn't mean I haven't researched anything else. I'm not getting defensive, just letting you know I'm not an amateur when it comes to astrology.

Didn't think it was possible? There are endless possibilities in astrology I don't know what you mean by that...

Conjunctions are where we come together, the oppositions are where we complete each other and every single planet we have is either conjunct or in opposition. Not to mention what's going on between our angles.

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posted January 19, 2012 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mermaid,

My mom's chart is a lot like that, since she has her nodes in 04 Aries / 04 Libra. It's quite cool. Makes her just-within-bounds-of conjunction (00 Virgo, 01 Virgo, 21 Leo) chart go 29-29-29 Leo; she's always behaved like a 3XLeo anyway.

We joke and say she's from Camelot, because King Arthur supposedly was a Triple Leo with Regulus (29 Leo) prominent.

THAT was a freaky Draconic. Her chart changed just enough to bring a bunch of out-of-sign conjunctions into conjunction, and make stronger links with the natal.

Is that what happens with yours? Does anything change at all? -laugh-

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posted January 19, 2012 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
athene,

(Love the name, BTW. I had an aunt Athene.)

I DO think you're onto something with the 13 Capricorn being prominent. It may not even reveal itself until later. I'd say check out the sign itself - Elias Lonsdale's 'Inside Degrees', for example. Cities which may involve the degree. The degree itself IS important.

Construct some harmonics, and, since you like Astrodienst, Persona charts, and see if you get 13 Can / Cap to show up again.

Oh! And Antiscia / Contrascia.

Anything there? They can be quite revealing, too, given they represent what's -almost- a decile energy.

In regard to 'possibilities', a lot of astrologers were sceptical about it being a practical thing, that all or nearly all personal planets would be conjunct along with the outers.

Ours don't -all- conjoin, but they remain bunched together in a kind of Bucket formation with three 'handles' - Chiron, Amor, and Psyche. Otherwise, e-e-e-everything's Scorpio, with Juno, Saturn, and Pluto in Libra with Uranus, Neptune, and Eros in Sagittarius.

Psyche opposes the Saturn/Pluto, and the Sun is pretty much directly opposite Chiron. I know exactly why, though. Amor just makes trines from Pisces, with one quindecile to Juno. That makes sense to me, too.

Anyhow. There had been something of a 'debate' going regarding how likely it would be for a composite to have nearly everything conjunct. Sure, it's possible, but apparently very rare.

I suspected, given the synastry you're telling me, that I'd see a lot of similar conjunctions in your composite, which, as I'm learning, would be another indicator of the twin-flame theory.

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posted January 19, 2012 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Consolidated. Please delete.

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posted January 19, 2012 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OH!

I think I get it now. Since you're both Piscean NNodes (out-of-orb), it's true your Draconics won't change that much from your natal. Some, yes, but not drastically. Depends on how close you get to that vernal point, as you know.

My question is - why wouldn't you expect to see the same theme in your Draconics as you see in your tropical synastry? The themes can change according to sign changes, but the aspects are hard-wired, so to speak.

I've also, in my own experience, discovered the Draconic to be a kind of repository of the most important karmic relationships of my life. My ex-fiance was a Gemini Ascendant, a man who changed the way I relate to others, a Gemini Moon, and my husband is a Gemini Sun. I've had many lunar Cancerians teach me important things, as well as solar Cancerians - who I continue to bring into my life. The Venus in 20' Aries remains a puzzle, but every time I see it, I'm somehow reminded of the first character of the first novel I wrote, who seemed an embodiment of one of my more prominent previous incarnated selves.

Heck, my new TV series is all -about- soulmates, and soul-contracts, and difficult destinies, using astrology as the background framework for it all.

The twin-flame concept has always been one about which I've been sceptical, until recent years. These days, like anyone, I'm just trying to find the proper Rosetta stone to unlock the mystery - and I suspect there are many (of both).

That being said, I would expect that the same 'conjunction / opposition' theme would play out between you, given the proximity of your Nodes to 0 Aries.

I would like to bring to your attention, if it hasn't factored yet, how close you are to to relating on both a quincunx and quindecile level, given your Draconics. That's why, given the karmic nature of the chart method, I wanted to see the tropical synastry, to better understand where you're coming from, and, therefore, going.

I'd REALLY play close attention to the (at least from these numbers) exact Moon-Neptune in yours. He's close to being a Sun-Neptune, but that only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades; not karmic astrology - and especially not Draconic, where the orbs get ridiculously small (0-2, most of the time; sometimes 1.5 max, which is why degrees become SO important.)

So, his Moon trining your Chiron (14'), Venus square your Ascendant, (could be exact, if that 26' is more of a '25, or vice versa), and the Saturn/Uranus conj. his ASC - again, that '13' Cap' thing. How close is your 12' Cap conjunction from being 13' ?

Believe it or not, Draconic aspects between the charts aren't as important as they are from the traditional synastry. Not saying the Destinn-Sun isn't important; again, I'd first look at what's going on with his Destinn and your Sun -outside- of Draco. If there's little, then it'd be an indication of why you're meeting now, savvy?

And 'roids are funky. You'd think that -he- would be the one feeling the sense of destiny, given Destinn. Rather, it seems where you were (and where you're going) is triggered by him. Weird, I know. You'd think, being the Sun, that it'd be the other way around. Natch. (Not entirely sure why, though, I apologise.)

Draco's are still a hotly-debated thing. In part, yes, it seems to be an indication of what went down in our MOST recent incarnation. (Some people have had success tracking down their Pluto placements, for example. For folks like you, however, I've had to devise a theory which kinda ties into the work I did regarding the nature of reality and parallel timelines, and all that rot -- which I won't get into here.) It also tells us a LOT about the state of where we're going.

People whose natal planets aspect our Draconic personal planets (and karmic points) in a big way are tied to where we're going. They're here to teach us stuff, simply said.

For example, the OMFG-composite I share with my cowriter having his Draco-ASC exactly conjunct my Moon. Not shocking. His Dr-Pluto on my Venus? Expected it. Dr-Moon on my Juno? That, too. Dr-Mercury-Uranus on my Sun? Considering how we met, that's actually pretty perfect. My Draco-Chiron's exactly on his Sun. Dr-Sun's exactly quincunx his Moon, too. Dr-Pluto's opposite his Moon. Perhaps, the biggest being my Dr-ASC exactly square his ASC, which also puts my Dr-IC conjunct his DSC.

To me, you'd expect to see exact patterns like that, from the Draco to the Natal, and vice versa.

I'm not saying you can't have some amazing Draco-to-Draco synastry. 'Course you can. That just seems only part of the story to me, which, granted, I've learnt by studying under others who've taught me the Draco-to-tropical synastry is the way to go.

But there's SO much theory surrounding everything anyway, I also like to experiment and try out all kinds of stuff. Blame my being rather Uranian.


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posted January 19, 2012 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just checked a few sources, and, again, it's verified to check the Antiscia / Contrascia charts, too. For those, however, it's good to look from anti-to-anti / contra-to-contra.

I'd check contra-to-anti and vice versa, too, but that's just me.

Also, I've had TREMENDOUS luck with this method. Found all kinds of wonderfully bizarre connections. Tight, too.

Sorry to be so scattered today, but I'm checking a bunch of different places regarding various things and responding when I can.

-AMP

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