posted January 17, 2012 07:12 AM            

So I'd like to know how the Vertex works in your chart, or if you can offer possible interpretations that you have found accurate based on your experience.

I know someone whose NN is in tight conjunct to my Vertex, which is why I've been looking into my Vertex more closely. Any ideas, I'm all ears. Thanks.

posted January 17, 2012 08:24 AM            

mine is somewhere in 20+ degrees aqua.

u can do sabians on it.

posted January 17, 2012 09:56 AM            

KEYNOTE: The capacity to develop the rational and fully conscious aspect of the mind ahead of normal evolution.

What seems implied is a kind of mutation, and more specifically the special development of whatever is symbolized by the "right side" of the organism. Here, however, the spiritual body (the butterfly) is what the Image represents. A strong process of conscious individualization is suggested, perhaps at the expense of the instinctual-emotional aspect of the personality (its "left side").

posted January 17, 2012 10:05 AM            

VERTEX IN THE SIXTH HOUSE
You have an attitude of duty, obligation and sacrifice when it comes to heartfelt interactions. Here we often find associations unconsciously based on a medical or religious model of service and sometimes even sainthood. The negative side is the tendency to become hypochondriacal or martyristic to get the love so desperately wanted. There is a need for others to appreciate the sincerity of your intentions, to the daily tasks you execute in a conscientious and caring way and for others to know that your actions, no matter how routine they may seem, are based on devoted love.

VERTEX IN VIRGO:
The purity of intention in Virgo as far as intimacy goes is unrivalled. The sub-conscious conjures images of the high priest or priestess, a union which will take one to ultimate salvation or spiritual initiation, based on a shared ideal of dedication and service. There is a fantasy of joining with someone who has unique psychic and/or healing powers and the focus is on the practical work which will make everything all right. If your love has the vertex in Virgo you must be sure of your innate talents and have a good plan as to how you can make good use of them to serve your mate and mankind at the same time.

posted January 17, 2012 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:

u can do sabians on it.

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posted January 17, 2012 01:11 PM            

Vertex 5° Taurus conjunct NN 8° Taurus

Sabian -

http://mindfire.ca/The%20Sabian%20Symbols/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20Tauru s%201-15.htm

Cantilever Bridge Across A Deep Gorge

KEYNOTE: The conquest of separativeness through group-cooperation.

The person who has suffered deprivation and loneliness can give new substance to his or her emotional life by participating in a collective project. All great evolutionary challenges imply the overcoming of basic difficulties. A step ahead must be taken, yet an abyss confronts evolving man. It is no longer a personal Void - an "open grave" - but a chasm that is an integral part of the "land" upon which man's evolution must proceed. A link must be built through the power of the collective mind of the group or of the community at large, on the basis of the legacy of the past, to make a bridge over the canyon.

This is the first stage of the eighth five-fold process of "Substantiation." The man-made bridge built with collective skill gives substance to and demonstrates man's capacity to CONQUER OBSTACLES and to achieve evolutionary continuity as well as expansion in space.

A Fully Decorated Christmas Tree

KEYNOTE: The ability to create inner happiness in dark hours.

In northern or mountainous countries where the Christmas tree symbol took form, we find a contrast between the tree outside - bare and normally covered with snow - and the tree inside the home - loaded with decorations and gifts for the family. If we follow up the meaning of the preceding symbol, we see that snow has come outside; but the prepared and closely united group has created abundance, beauty and happiness within, overcoming the cold barrenness of the outside world — just as man had overcome, in a previous symbol (Phase 35), the natural obstacle to his progress. The Christ symbol is also included in the background — that is, the vivid faith in a transformed future.

This fourth stage symbol suggests the ever-present possibility open to man to transfigure the darkness and deprivation of the low point of a life cycle by incarnating in it an antiphonic response celebrating the ever remembered and always expected high moments of life. It evokes man's undying FAITH IN CYCLIC RENEWAL.

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"The better you feel about yourself, the less you feel the need to show off." — Robert Hand

posted January 17, 2012 01:21 PM            

A Majestic Rock Formation Resembling A Face Is Idealized By A Boy Who Takes It As His Ideal Of Greatness, And As He Grows Up, Begins To Look Like It.

KEYNOTE: The power of clearly visualized ideals to mold the life of the visualizer.

Nathaniel Hawthorne's story "The Great Stone Face" is used here in an allegorical sense to show the capacity for self-transformation latent in man. This power can be developed through visualization, when the emotions and the will are poured into the visualized mental image. At the highest spiritual-cosmic level this is the power used by the God-like Beings at the close of a cosmic cycle in projecting the basic Formula (the Word) which will start a new universe. In a biological sense, it is the power latent in all seeds — the power to produce and guide the growth of the future plant. A most fitting symbol for the last phase of the cyclic process. Within the end of the cycle the seed of a new beginning exists in potency — unless the entire cycle has proven to be a failure.

This is the last stage of the last scene of the great ritual play of cyclic transformations. It brings to us a realization of the power of archetypes as factors conditioning life processes. Thus we could use as a final Keyword: ARCHETYPALIZATION.

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"The better you feel about yourself, the less you feel the need to show off." — Robert Hand

posted January 17, 2012 03:15 PM            

Aries 14° A SERPENT ENCIRCLES A MAN AND WOMAN IN CLOSE EMBRACE.

Power of higher wisdom manifest in the bi-polar nature. Protec tion by the higher genius of Self. Fulfillment in truth.

posted January 17, 2012 04:02 PM            

And good Key Word for the Vertex is: SYNCORNISTY

The Vertex is also known as DESTINY’S GATE, because of how the Vertex ties in with life-changing events and people in our lives….

The Vertex is the intersection that brings just the right people, at just the right time, at just the right place, with just the right information…. Together all at once in just the right way, to influence the important decisions you make... or even to force you through a chain of events to alter your path in life... change your perspective on a particular issue, or open yourself to a new way of being….

The Vertex is different from the Nodes. The Nodes are about where we are coming from, our habitual mode of being, and comfort zone (the South Node)…. Vs where we should be headed in life, trying something new, and being out of our comfort zone. We naturally tend to function too much in line with our South Node placement… and we can achieve balance by embracing the qualities of our North Node….the North Node is the path we need to take in order to counter-balance our natural tendency to overemphasize our South Node placement…. The Nodes are about our personal imbalance, and what we need to do to get out of a rut and move forward in life… the Nodes show our path in life over a long period of time, as we gradually learn to be more like the North Node…

The Vertex is more about specific little incidents that occur through out life to change our direction…. Mentally or physically…. And that have a significant impact on our decisions, mentality, values, personal philosophy, and where and how we choose to be…

The Vertex is also about how we attain, come into contact with, and discover... something that we’ve always longed for or wanted. The Vertex often ties into scenarios (through either synastry or transit) where by we finally get what we wished for, or craved in some way…. That’s why the Vertex feels like ‘fate’….when you happen upon a situation, or a person, that feels like they just stepped out of your fantasies…. It tends to feel like something meaningful is going on here…. Even if to an outsider it all looks like random events…. To the Vertex person they may feel like their fondest dream is emerging before their eyes… As if it was meant to be….

Not that the Vertex guarantees a happy ending. It just shows when and with whom significant turning points in our lives occur that stick in our memories. Vertex people and events feel powerfully relevant, as if they are leading us toward some desired result. But whether or not we are happy what we get out of the Vertex (events by transit, or people by synastry) in the long run depends on other factors….

Also, Vertex events can sometimes start out as something that seems very negative…. but then overall that event leads us to some destination, or result that we’ve always wanted. Like you get into a car wreck and wind up in hospital…. Only to meet the man of your dreams who is a doctor at that hospital…or you get fired, but then get the job you wanted most at a different company… or your teacher tells you you’re an idiot, so then you work your butt off and become an expert in your field…or a distant relative dies, and you inherit enough money to build you’re dream house… or you get evicted, and then wind up with an opportunity to move to a place that you’ve always dreamed about going to….

This is the stuff of the Vertex people!

Vertex people and events tend to stand out in our minds, echo through our psyche. There is definitely something very compelling about the Vertex that makes us stand up and pay attention…. Vertex people and events make an IMPRINT on us…. And often it feels as if Vertex people and events come into our lives to deliver a very personal message that was made especially for us…. Whether this is true or not, the point is that it FEELS that way for the person who has their Vertex aspected…

For the past few years the Vertex has been one of my favorite astrological points. For a long time I ignored it but once I ‘discovered’ it almost by accident one time it has totally changed my perspective…. I never cease to be surprised at how powerful this little point really is. I know traditional astrology only uses conjunctions and oppositions to the Vertex, and perhaps these are the most powerful and influential aspects to have….

However, from my personal observations any aspect to the Vertex seems to have an effect. For example, a very important conversation, in which I made the life-changing decision to move to another country, occurred while the transiting Capricorn Moon was tightly trine my Taurus Vertex….the Vertex ties in with important turning points in life, as well synchronicity of events…. Like finding just the right person, or information, at just the right time to help you along on your path…. Often this feels like the hand of fate to the Vertex person….

I’ve even seen aspects like semi-squares, and sesquiquadrates work….. Like one time I was wondering around a book store while transiting Moon was semi-square my Vertex and happened to find exactly the book that I needed, and hadn’t been able to find earlier….. Semi-squares and sesquiquadrates have to do with small details but small details can sometimes make a big difference….

I would never dismiss a trine to the Vertex as being insignificant. They are more subtle then the hard aspects, which hit you like POW!! But there is this feeling of gentle persuasion there influencing your life/mind-set with the soft aspects…

People who aspect our Vertex through synastry tend to be very influential in our lives. And they are often part of fateful scenarios that change our path…

In synastry the Vertex has to do with a feeling of connection, or resonation, with another person that has great personal meaning and significance… A person influencing your Vertex can feel as if they are tuned into just the right frequency to reach you on a profoundly intimate level….There is just something about the things they do and say that sticks in your mind, and influences your perspective…. These are the people you look back and remember for life…. Often the connection with a person influencing your Vertex feels as if it transcends the physical… like there is a flow of psychic/emotional/mental energy involved in the connection… People who influence your Vertex are your personal game-changers in life…

In romantic connections people who influence the Vertex can blow you away with how much they resonate with your romantic fantasies or ideals. This is because the Vertex has to do with the synchronicity of how we get what we longed for…. And in some way these people are able to deliver this to us. Romantic connections involving the Vertex are extremely compelling and fascinating…. These people intrigue you like no others, and often we just want to drink in the way that they are…. These people can also become like a ‘frame of reference’ for us… in terms of what we want or don’t want in a future love life, or even just our lives in general…

Here’s a short excerpt from an essay on Personal Sensitive Points (including the Vertex) by astrologer Michael Munkasey (found it on the internet).

In this article Munkasey discusses how the Vertex is actually the part of our minds that represents our ‘dreams coming true’ so to speak. Like Vertex people and transits in our lives are able to bring some of our fantasy inner ideals to life…. As if they lead us in the right direction to fulfill some type of idealization, or cherished desire… however the way we arrive at this destination may not always be the stuff of fairytales…. Sometimes the Vertex can rock your world in a way that is jarring, and unpleasant to start with….

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The Personal Sensitive Points (PSPs) of Astrology
Michael Munkasey, (C) 1995

The Vertex represents pathways and opportunities, but then so does the
Moon's Node, so it is important to recognize their differences. The
Vertex is a part of the human mind, whereas the Moon's Node represents
events, people, or opportunities in the physical world. Did you ever
"wish" that life's circumstances could be different? Did you ever "wish"
that you could be taller or shorter, brighter or prettier, richer or live
in a larger house, drive a better car? We all have this mental "wish
mechanism" which is represented by the VTX. When we wish for these
changes the VTX part of our mind goes out and tries to set up
"opportunities" for these wishes to come true for us. The VTX part of our
mind connects to the minds of others and then tries to set up "encounters"
whereby others can enter our lives to effect changes. Wishing for a new
car? You are out driving, and someone runs a stop sign and totals your
car! You get your wish! You now have to get a new car! Be careful of
what you wish for because you may get it. You didn't specify HOW you
wanted the new car, just that you wanted one. This is a typical VTX
interaction. The VTX is very necessary because often people will not or
can not affect change by themselves in their life. Thus the VTX sets up
an "interference" mechanism that allows others to come in and use our
resources or time to effect our wish fulfillment.

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Another way to look at it…. The Vertex shows the interface where people are able to bring you what you wanted/needed/wished for through some method or another…. (Even if it is just the ideals they represent for you). People who aspect your Vertex are able to accomplish this as they directly connect to your “mental wish mechanism”, and provide the necessary “interference” to bring you what you’ve wished for…. Some way or another…

posted January 17, 2012 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
How to do that?

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get the degree of your vertex the add 1 to it. then look for it in the link below my vertex reading. yours would be 30 degrees pisces i think.

posted January 17, 2012 04:41 PM            

I have a couple of additional questions, one being the same as anongrl10 "What would you say about someone's NN which is in tight conjunction to my Vertex? Will he feel the pull too or just me (as the "vertex person"?)"

Also, what would be the effect of his Pluto in Leo semisquaring my Vertex in Libra (orb of 2)... how would this affect me and how would it affect him?
EDIT: The semisquare is exact after rechecking.

Thank you, and, as an aside, if astrology was ever offered as a subject in colleges, I'd vote for you to be teacher. You seem to have the patience, thoughtful consideration, and a wealth of information which you're ready to share, all marks of an excellent teacher, in my humble opinion
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EDIT: Lotis White, when you have time would you please look at the other aspects to his and mine Vertex below? These are all that I could find. Do the minor aspects not have much of an effect? Thank you so very much. EDIT: How do these aspects affect him and how do they affect me?

HIS PLANETS/ANGLES TO MY VERTEX AT 13 Libra (6th house):

MAJOR ASPECTS rbs in ()
His Chiron trine my Vertex (orb of 2)
His Mars sextile my Vertex (2.0)
His Venus sextile my Vertex (4.0)
His Saturn sextile my Vertex (5.0--too wide?)
His Eros sextile my Vertex (1.0)

MINOR ASPECTS:
His Asc.quincunx my Vertex (2.0)
His moon quincunx my Vertex (4.0)
His Pluto semisquare my Vertex (EXACT)
His Desc. semisextile my Vertex (2.0)
His NN decile my Vertex (2.0)
His IC tridecile my Vertex (3.0)
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MY PLANETS/ANGLES TO HIS VERTEX AT 23 Virgo (7th house):

MAJOR ASPECTS rbs in ()
My Venus trine his Vertex (1.0)
My IC sextile his Vertex (1.0)
My MC trine his Vertex (1.0)
My NN conjunct his Vertex (1.0)
My Saturn trine his Vertex (6.0--too wide?)
My Mars parallel his Vertex (EXACT)
My NN parallel his Vertex (42 mins. apart)

MINOR ASPECTS:
My Asc. biquintile his Vertex (3.0)
My Desc. decile his Vertex (3.0)
My Mars sesiquiqadrate his Vertex (1.0)
My Uranus decile his Vertex (EXACT)
My Neptune semisquare his Vertex (1.0)
My Pluto vigintile his Vertex (2.0)

posted January 17, 2012 04:54 PM            

tho i honestly hate mine, i am earth water in the reading below. i am an island, i am ibiza lol!

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Aquarius: First, you must learn tolerance for the differences in others. This would be particularly true if Saturn and Earth-Water signs are strong in the chart. If Uranus and Fire-Air signs are strong, the individual must learn how to coordinate one’s efforts with other independent, task oriented types. Regulating Uranian people is a hard-learned lesson! Since the anti-Vertex is in Leo, the individual must guard against allowing one’s strong subjective and “MY WAY” opinions to interfere with cooperation. The lesson is to be detached and impersonal.

Any prejudices will come back to haunt you in this lifetime. Learn to be a good friend, to be a part of group effort rather than trying to shine on one’s own. When tolerance is not an issue for the individual, I find that there is some difficulty working with group energy. One client felt that she needed to learn to function and protect herself while working within groups.

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also is it crazy too try and look for people that conjunct it?

posted January 17, 2012 05:00 PM            

vertex square mars.

VERTEX TO MARS
NATAL: Often found in those who join the armed forced. Desire to carry fire arms or act in an aggressive manner.

vertex trine merc.

VERTEX TO MERCURY
NATAL: Skills in communication as well as intellectual ability indicate a mentally active person. Scholastic achievements depending on aspects.

vertex quintile venus

VERTEX TO VENUS
NATAL: Happy love relationships are necessary for physical well being. Marriage for money or status can be a goal.

vertex quintile uranus

VERTEX TO URANUS
NATAL: Many environmental changes, sometimes seen when people change from their birthplace to reside in another country. Frequently in charts of airline pilots and people whose employment is connected with travel.

posted January 17, 2012 05:36 PM            

The theme for the sabian symbol alone seems to be for transformation out of crisis. Completely let go, let things just be and they will become powerfully transforming. JOY! Yet more of this theme in my chart. With it being in the 8th house (which is already full) that's going to add to that stuff a lot. Bah.

posted January 17, 2012 05:43 PM            

VERTEX IN THE SIXTH HOUSE
You have an attitude of duty, obligation and sacrifice when it comes to heartfelt interactions. Here we often find associations unconsciously based on a medical or religious model of service and sometimes even sainthood. The negative side is the tendency to become hypochondriacal or martyristic to get the love so desperately wanted. There is a need for others to appreciate the sincerity of your intentions, to the daily tasks you execute in a conscientious and caring way and for others to know that your actions, no matter how routine they may seem, are based on devoted love.

VERTEX IN THE SEVENTH: The Vertex in the seventh house is the classic position for those who are always in a partnership of one kind or another (if only in our heads), desperately seeking one, or have decided that it isn't worth the risk since our expectations will never be met. This position indicates a sense that we are not really complete unless we are intimately involved with someone. On some levels there is an irrational fear of ending up alone. The dark side is that you can get highly self-righteous about acceptable modes of behaviour in interacting with others and thereby alienate the very people you long for. Your parental role model was less than secure in your subconscious perceptions, though it may seem fine on an external level.

<b>1° PIERCED BY A DART OF LIGHT A BUTTERFLY IS "MADE PERFECT"</b>

The symbolical death that is initiation into spiritual reality and wisdom. Sudden awakening. Coming for inner light.

This fits alot of my 'first meeting' encounters with people who sit on my vertex and also what occurs in the relationship.

Funny my nickname is Butterfly. I don't always tell people this but my friends/acquaintences usually end up calling me 'Butterfly' in their language for some reason. It fits me I guess