posted January 21, 2012 10:30 PM            

It depends on what you consider to be "powerful".

The Sun could be considered powerful, lighting up a chart, bestowing talents and abilities, making one "shine" or Saturn could be considered powerful, grounding one, giving the ability to be resilient, to undergo much toil and hard work without slipping and make one reach the pinnacle of success. Even Neptune could be powerful, giving one imagination beyond the realm of this world, allowing one to bring words and colours and melodies to life.

Or you could define power in its destruction like Mars becomes when its drive is thwarted and it turns inwards, roiling in frustration and undermining everyone within its reach or like Pluto is when obsessed, forgetting all wills but its own, destroying to the last atom all that stands between him and his object.

So, sand, how do you define power?

posted January 21, 2012 11:39 PM            

sun does give planets it touches power.

how would you determine whose saturn for example is strongest in relation to the environment?

maybe power could also mean ease/ability to do what one is supposed to do in this life. that sounds abit related to the nodes.

posted January 22, 2012 03:25 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Hard aspects propensity. Chart is charged = powerful,regardless of potential. Of course,when there is no time for to do anything about that potential,it becomes rather pale,shameful...

I always feel bad when I see a strong chart and then I found out that native had done nothing in the life. No desire to do something with themselves. As one of my favourite writers say,'we come and go,not knowing what we could have been or done '...

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posted January 22, 2012 04:07 AM            

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I also
tend to think that Unaspected planets are more powerful
than heavily aspected ones...so if any of these 3 planets
make no aspects to any other planets in the chart, I'd say it
would be very telling of a strong personality indeed. Think
about it, when one planet aspects another, it can't operate
in its purest form. It must compromise its nature to blend
with or create friction with another planet. When
unaspected, the planet can operate in its purest form and is
very potent. It's always raw, real, and ready.

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posted January 22, 2012 04:16 AM            

also in the idea that a strong chart would be able to do easily what it is destined to do i'm thinking ruthlessness might be abit counterintuitive in that you might incur karma (if you believe in that concept). also maybe having the nodes direct? what do you guys think?

in bazi there is such a thing as too strong a chart and the element must be weakened to balance it. mine is a neutral in that system as a member here explained and it makes sense to me. i'm not highly affected by good or bad transits in western save for the major ones like saturn return, uranus square/oppositions..

here's my western chart.

posted January 22, 2012 04:25 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Hard aspects propensity. Chart is charged = powerful,regardless of potential. Of course,when there is no time for to do anything about that potential,it becomes rather pale,shameful...

I always feel bad when I see a strong chart and then I found out that native had done nothing in the life. No desire to do something with themselves. As one of my favourite writers say,'we come and go,not knowing what we could have been or done '...

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posted January 22, 2012 05:01 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Not a bit,but a lot There is always energy with hard aspects. You are on your own,but not in hopeless situation; you are given everything you need.

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great lol!

posted January 22, 2012 05:35 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
also something that has confused me for a long time is that the more aspects a planet has the more powerful, but what if those aspects are say all negative? shouldn't that be deducted if you are assigning values to aspects like in skyviewzone?[/B]

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angular planets are important and function rather strongly...
do you strongly identify with Scorpio rising? did you relocate age 2? Solar arc MC onto moon...
Age 11 did anyone disappear, die or father/authority figure become strict. Did you take a bit confidence hit changing schools perhaps??
As MC is sooooo close to changing signs to, I have to ask which do you identify with? Cancer or Leo?

moon conj MC can give lots of changes in career, work due to emotional restless, pride and perhaps needing to be centre of attention..

planets conj MC http://rugdeeaustralia.tripod.com/id18.html http://www.skyviewzone.com/articles/asrticle3sc.htm

You mentioned Uranus in 2nd

Basic astrology forum discussing Uranus in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000662.html

posted January 22, 2012 05:41 AM            

mars retro only has one aspect
Retrograde planets http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22923 http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-retrograde.htm http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5796&postcount=8 http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5861&postcount=10
Pluto retrograde in scorpio above http://karma.astrology.com/pastlife.html

Mars Retrograde
* reconsiders before expressing anger
* finds competitive situations hard to handle
* tends to repress and so ....
* can become depressed http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm#neprx

moon square mercury can sometimes be linked to sleep disorders?

Pluto square MC
Pluto in Square, Quincunx, Opposition to Midheaven
“Don't be surprised if you have your share of power struggles with authority figures. This aspect suggests domination and control. You can rise to a position of important influence over the lives of others. All efforts to climb to the top should be kept completely honest and aboveboard.
Consider some of the following career potentials: archaeology, espionage, psychiatry, mortuary science, the secret service, banking, or the medical profession--especially surgery.” http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectspluto.htm

Pluto square MC for a long time I was not even 'aware' how this functioned or played out, until I was out with a friend, who ended up defending me from a verbal attack from a woman. It seems with pluto we/you give out scorpio/pluto vibes of authority, power and control and possibly on a subconscious level, *others* especially women pick up on this and feel it's 'fair game' to challenge and attack. It doesn't happen all the time, just occasionally. Plus mine is in 7th Angular/most visible and house of open enemies, which I really don't mind coming up in my face either...

posted January 22, 2012 06:01 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:

All depends on what you mean by *powerful*?

angular planets are important and function rather strongly...
do you strongly identify with Scorpio rising? did you relocate age 2? Solar arc MC onto moon...
Age 11 did anyone disappear, die or father/authority figure become strict. Did you take a bit confidence hit changing schools perhaps??
As MC is sooooo close to changing signs to, I have to ask which do you identify with? Cancer or Leo?

moon conj MC can give lots of changes in career, work due to emotional restless, pride and perhaps needing to be centre of attention..

planets conj MC http://rugdeeaustralia.tripod.com/id18.html http://www.skyviewzone.com/articles/asrticle3sc.htm

You mentioned Uranus in 2nd

Basic astrology forum discussing Uranus in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000662.html

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i am for sure a scorpio rising. age 2, i think so on the relocation (or age 1) but i'm a no on age 11..

how do you know if you're a cancer or a leo mc? it's confusing coz my moon is there. can you even do that with angles? like bump it to the next sign?

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moon square venus can suggest that (if you are a man of course) that the women you are attracted to don't fulfill you emotionally and vice versa....

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probably..

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mars retro only has one aspect

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oh i remember having 2 before i lowered the orbs to 85%. so saturn conj mars isn't that significant?

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moon square mercury can sometimes be linked to sleep disorders?

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i am allergic to mornings and i have odd sleeping patterns plus i hate sleeping in general such a waste of time. so yeah!

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It seems with pluto we/you give out scorpio/pluto vibes of authority, power and control and possibly on a subconscious level, *others* especially women pick up on this and feel it's 'fair game' to challenge and attack.

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posted January 22, 2012 06:50 AM            

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Of course,when there is no time for to do anything about that potential,it becomes rather pale,shameful...

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interesting you mention time.. i've always been amazed at how much people can build in one generation just because life is soo short..

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
They had such a strong preference to one profession/talent that it did scream to me 'destiny' = it was either bad times ( when time wasn't favouring an individual,like post WW2) or lack of opportunity to get educated. (with this charts I was only looking at transits,sometimes progressions)

In rest of the charts,they where just lazy,or all ideas no work.

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