posted January 23, 2012 05:24 PM            

I've come to the conclusion that one's natal chart speaks of *circumstances* not of the actual relationship *between* you and your parents.

So for instance having a Capricorn Moon could speak of the circumstance that your mother was particularly busy and focused on her career while you were growing up.... or that your mother had some kind of problem, an illness or a negative situation happening so she was going *through* something.. (I'm sure there are other options!)
In any case - while the natal can speak of *circumstances* in your childhood - and the circumstances your parents found themselves in - it cannot and does not (imo)... tell you how you GET ALONG with your parents and how healthy or 'messed up' your relationship is.

Ever since the time you take your first breath... you have a natal chart. Ever since you are a 1 day or 1 week or 1 month old infant... YOU interact with others around you - based on your synastry/composite and so on...
SO - if you have serious problems in your relationship with your parents, it would probably be better to check your synastry!

I disagree that people grow into their charts. It is a fact that people mature and develop a complex neurological system - and in virtue of maturing physically/mentally/emotionally - their chart plays out differently at the age of say 2... in comparison to the way it plays out at the age of 10 - or at the age of 20...
BUT that does not mean that the person does NOT always have that chart. The chart of a 1 year old plays out in the only way that it can - in a person who is unable to speak and think the way an adult human can... but it does *still* play out.

For example - when I was young (under 4 yrs old) - I had three male relatives of a particular sign (which I won't mention).. Now - usually I was a very friendly child, but my mum told me that whenever one of these guys tried to play with me or hold me (even though they were being very nice) - I would immediately start screaming and crying and I literally couldn't stand them. I don't think this is a coincidence - since it is clear in our synastry that their Sun-placement is in a particular sign and on a degree - that is causing a lot of friction in my chart. And I really think that even as a baby - I felt *that*.

Also - I think my synastry with both parents is much more descriptive of my relationship with them.
For example - I know a Gemini girl who has a Taurus Moon. This is traditionally considered a "happy" Moon, so if you read the classic Taurus Moon interp they will say something positive about the mother figure and your relationship with her.
It is true that Gemini girl's mother was always there and she was a very stable parent.. so again - I can see how the Moon sign describes the 'circumstances' of her childhood.
But when it comes to their relationship WITH each other... They actually can't stand each other. Her mother is a Virgo with Merc in Virgo and there are so many squares happening in their synastry. I mean I am not surprised they have all these issues...
My story is the opposite. I have good synastry with my mum and we've always had a close relationships. She's my best friend. But when I read Cap Moon interpretations - the amount of BS they say is not even funny.

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OK - End of spiel!!

posted January 23, 2012 05:45 PM            

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YOU interact with others around you - based on your synastry/composite and so on...
SO - if you have serious problems in your relationship with your parents, it would probably be better to check your synastry!

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I'll have to disagree. It all starts in the birth chart. From there we attract into our lives (parents included) people to play out the varying aspects and placements in the natal.

posted January 23, 2012 06:04 PM            

I do happen to disagree with you when you say it's not about the parent-child relationship but about circumstances. I think it could be both. With me, a Scorpio Moon, I was born into an emotionally difficult situation, particularly for my mom. Her marriage to my Dad was crumbling and her grandfather died about four months after I was born (creepy evidence of the Scorpio myth of the native being born and a relative dying).

Our relationship has always been Scorpionic as well: intensely close in my childhood and teenage years, to a somewhat symbiotic and addictive degree. I really did "merge" with her in a way that wasn't healthy. Then there's the subtle control games with her and the emotional repression I endured because of her dominance. I now know that there's always been something very "dark" lurking beneath the surface of her personality. I actually know in my gut that she is a narcissist (of the malignant variety). Our relationship has gone from one extreme to the next (Scorpio theme): super close to very distant and estranged. Through that, I've taken back my personal power (another Scorpio theme) back from her.

But our synastry also offered explanations to our once tight bond. My Moon conjuncts her Neptune in Scorpio almost exactly. We both have a Leo Sun conjunction (only a few degrees apart). Her Venus in Virgo is also conjunct my Virgo Mars.

posted January 23, 2012 06:23 PM            

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eg: If you're born with Sun opp Moon / Full Moon, you will incarnate/born into a family or gravitate to one side of your family where they try to mold you into something you're not. This way, you create an experience where you get to fight to be yourself. [/B]

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posted January 23, 2012 07:49 PM            

My mom was my father, she was both..

She had me young, and was still in parting phases when I was growing up.. She wanted to go out and do her thing.. She did..
She got heavily into drugs in my early adult years, (18) I have been on my own since I was 19

I also have Moon conjunct Mercury but not sure how that fits into "mom"

My mom struggled to raise me alone... She barely made a living..
BUT I do have to admit, I always had a roof over my head and food in my stomach.. She did what she had to do..
She would even hustle pool for some extra money... hehehehe.. My mom was a major pool shark,and wanted to go pro.

posted January 23, 2012 08:58 PM            

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creepy evidence of the Scorpio myth of the native being born and a relative dying

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I'm one of those "Scorpio babies" myself. My grandfather's mother lived with him and his family. Couple months after I was born into the household she died. I'm Gemini, she was Scorpio.

posted January 24, 2012 09:47 AM            

My father-in-law and mother-in-law died after my first son was born. Then I had my *Scorpio* daughter.

When my father was dying, I miscarried in the sign of *Scorpio.* Hmm!

After my father died, I had my third son, born with a Scorpio moon. Wow, I think there IS a pattern!

Anyway...

My first two sons have Capricorn moons and I am a Capricorn...I can't tell if this is "good" or "bad." But we get along really well, and I would be surprised if they told someone they had major issues with me.

I am philosophically dedicated to the idea of letting people just BE THEMSELVES. My belief in astrology ties in with that...everyone is different and it's unhealthy to mold yourself according to someone else's wishes. My Pisces moon makes me very accepting, too.

Yet I know I am molding them...some molding is inevitable when they are my children. I just try my best.

Thanks for reading,
Faith