posted January 27, 2012 11:13 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
But can you explain/connect what my 12th house business means? I'm sorry; I know what they mean separately but it's hard for me to put the meanings together into something that makes sense.

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Isn't the 5th house what you do when you're attracted? Why 2nd? That's really random.

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posted January 27, 2012 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
Ascendant sign has to play a part for attraction to get anything off the ground. so the outer mode of expression Asc is the lust the chemistry that initially attracts, but as you get to know someone, you get to see the 'real person' underneath ie: sun..

Basic astrology forum, How to approach Synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000667.html

So in a mans chart you look at moon and venus, then planets in 7th house, then ruler of 7th may give an indication where you might meet a partner..

As taurus rules 7th and is in 7th with sun, I would imagine one to one relationships would be very important to you, to make you 'feel complete'

Ruler of 5th pisces/neptune and neptune placed in 3rd house of communications and your neighbourhood as well as siblings. http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm#house3

Now venus and moon are in square aspect and this suggests that women you are attracted to (venus) may not always fulfil you AND those women that fulfil you emotionally, you may not be attracted to unfortunately...

Moon is square to pluto which shows problems relating to mother and expressing emotions..

Moon square Pluto
"The square formed between the Moon and Pluto shows you have an intense emotional nature. There are some difficulties in relationships because of it. Emotional responsibility is a burden for you. You may forget the past, and break any ties that confine. You are a loner at heart, but an ardent nature can prompt relationships that don't impose to many limits. This aspect shows a lack of interest in material matters. You're likely to be put off by trivialities and petty details of any sort. You're concerned only with issues that you consider important or unique in some way." http://www.skyscript.co.uk/moonaspects.html#mospl
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/moonplutoaspects.html

Lastly, let's not forget moon in Leo, really wants a 'trophy bride' someone who looks good in public and someone who people may envy thereby feeding your emotions...

EDIT: this respond was for *sand* as he is male the OP is female... apologies..

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why thanks saggi mc!

moon square venus plays out for me in the way that i like partners that like me but i dunno if i really like them hehe i know kinda sucks lol! the cafe astro reading is what i connect with among most generic interps of that aspect.

i don't have mommy issues but i for sure have a fear of intimacy and too much closeness. the t-square adds to it i guess as iv discussed before with others..

i like that moon pluto reading. i do break ties but that is with family. true about pettiness as well.

LMAO on the trophy bride! ugh..

the rest are spot on..

i think the trines make things a lot easier for me tho.. or at least less fickle coz i barely feel the negative effects of moon square venus.

posted July 11, 2015 01:31 AM            

So, my second is empty with Scorpio on the cusp. Pluto is off I'm my 11th house, apparently busying itself with being my chart ruler, seeing government conspiracy everywhere, and fighting (square) with my Mercury in Gemini finding ways to creatively destroy parts of my life so he can rebuild them better. But wait! The second's natural ruler is Venus! Let's see where that goes...

Taurus is on the cusp of the 7th, with Jupiter and Mars in that house. Venus gets a two-fer here ruling both by sign and by house. And while Jupiter is tied up in a T with Neptune Rx and Moon (Leo 10th), Mars is in solitary confinement in Venus's dungeon, unaspected, and 1 or 2 degrees past Algor (didn't he invent the Internet?)...

The 8th is also Taurus. Gemini is intercepted in this Venusian house, with the Sun and Mercury as her guests.

The 12th? Another empty house except for the astroid Valentine, a guest of... Venus... Under the sign of Libra.

So where is this Mistress of many mansions? Just past and conjunct with the cusp of the 9th in Cancer. Already doing her crablike sideways walk, moving Retrograde, conjunct exact (well under half a degree) with the North Node. Trine the Asc. Trine Saturn in Pisces (who is also stationed Rx). Conjunct Cupid, opposite Ceres, sextile Uranus. She's not the final Depositor, Mercury holds that honor. Yet, Mercury is still in her house... Errrr?

So, the answer to all of it... ALL of it is Venus in the ninth, with the candlestick... umm... with the Cancer.

Venus, Venus, Venus. It's always about Venus! Why can't it ever be about Jan? (Cookie if you can name the reference)...

posted July 11, 2015 10:36 AM            

Scorpio is on your 2nd house stuff. So, in relation to this article - you show your interest / flirt like a Scorpio.

Taurus is in your 7th - so you WANT someone who is stable, calm, Venusian, etc.

posted July 11, 2015 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Whoa. Waaaay overcomplicating it.

Scorpio is on your 2nd house stuff. So, in relation to this article - you show your interest / flirt like a Scorpio.

Taurus is in your 7th - so you WANT someone who is stable, calm, Venusian, etc.

Your 8th is who is attracted to you, is that Gemini or Aries? It's interesting because I see either sign as way more open than a pseudo-Scorpio. And they are probably drawn to you because they pick up your 2nd house vibes in some way.

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My 8th house is Taurus on the cusp, but Gemini intercepted with my Sun and Mercury in Gemini.

I'm an 8th house Sun. Everything is complicated lol!

posted July 11, 2015 04:50 PM            

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It isn't about the literal sign but more of what they embody. Think about your interpretation of Venus, and the women you've dated. How were they venusian? Pretty? Lazy? Boring because they were so glib or quirky? Loving? Loyal or wishy-washy? Manipulative or balanced? Both?

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Feminine. Sensual in an earthy way. Compassionate. Sharp. Not necessarily the sharpest tool in the shed, but certainly can hold their own in a conversation or mental challenge. Cheerful usually, not negative. Competent. Sometimes manipulative, but seldom bossy. Bossy goes over like a lead baloon with me.

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posted July 12, 2015 03:24 AM            

Asc in Pluto ruled Scorpio- hardly ever "satisfied" with 'what is', looking for constant "awareness", constantly changing/evolving etc.

Dsc in Taurus- your partner is very much satisfied with "what is" - especially if "what is" is materialistically sound.

So much so, that they will not move, budge or change.

There is also a likelihood that they are impassive,don't try too hard, don't bother with much so long as their security base is intact. Very "unhurried" people generally. Naturally very attractive or attracting to others.

Your Asc is ruled by Pluto and Venus rules the 7th:Pluto and Venus are not friends. Venus accommodate suspicious Pluto. And Pluto tends to patronize simplistic Venus.

Essentially both of you are grappling with 'security/trust' issues, but expressing them in differing ways: You focus mostly on trust, your partner is on security.

The ruler of your 2nd house(Jupiter)-you put a lot of value in being open-minded, well-versed and well-traveled. To you, this is the "fruit" of life: to learn and savor every experience you have.

The ruler of the 2nd in the 7th. You would like your partner to reflect what you value;be very well-versed, well traveled, wise and educated/experienced(Jupiter)

Often times Jupiter in 7th is also indicative of an older/wiser/experienced partner. Or one with a strong academic background.

The not so-great expression of the 2nd house ruler in 7th, is that you tend to think of your relationships as an extension of your self-esteem.

This leads you to act very possessive of your partners or to insist that they share the same values that you do- maybe even forcing the principles you have on them. .

This is a defense against the loss of security(2nd house ruler is Jupiter). And may re-emphasize what I said earlier about Asc in Scorpio and "trust" issues.

6th house cusp is Aries- you prefer to work alone/lead. Some sense of autonomy is needed by you as you may grate people up the wrong way(at worst) on an every day basis.

Perhaps there is something abrasive about your approach to them? Colleagues may fight with you, your co-workers may find you touchy and argumentative or the nature of the work environment may require a great deal of manual labour/force or energy etc.

The ruler of the 6th in the 7th- you bring a lot of that "gung-ho" attitude of your work to the relationship i.e you tend to act as a single person in a relationship: insisting that your will be done but not willing to tow the line when it comes to the other.

People with Mars in 7th/Aries on the 7th house cusp, need to learn more about the "we" word. Otherwise they will suffer much separation in relationships with friends,lovers and even family.

There is a tendency for them to think in terms of "i"-which is really not a bad thing in and of itself.

But it does mean that one doesn't tend to afford others the equal privilege of being as abrasive, self-centered as they are etc. Infact, they will clash with these types of personalities.

The interesting thing is that with Venus ruling the 7th and Mars interacting here, there could be sexual sparks that fly too.

Your partner is not the type to walk off in a huff. They are likely to let things slide/build up(negative expression of Taurus 7th house cusp).

But you must be careful in sparking unnecessary arguments or squabbles as Taurus is all about peace of mind.

posted July 12, 2015 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Aries23 you really should start a blog or write a book. I follow your posts and learn so much from them!

*asks shyly* do you feel like doing mine later? I can do a horary for you or Tarot reading in return.

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Sure Sounds like fun.

posted July 12, 2015 12:34 PM            

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Asc in Scorpio- ruled by Pluto, 7th house Taurus.

Asc in Pluto ruled Scorpio- hardly ever "satisfied" with 'what is', looking for constant "awareness", constantly changing/evolving etc.

Dsc in Taurus- your partner is very much satisfied with "what is" - especially if "what is" is materialistically sound.

So much so, that they will not move, budge or change.

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I can "make do" with an awful lot for the right mate. I tend to frustrate them by refusing to change. "He seemed like such a nice, mutable Gemini... why does he have to be so maddeningly stubborn? Why can't I just change any little old part of him I wish?"... Lol!

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

There is also a likelihood that they are impassive,don't try too hard, don't bother with much so long as their security base is intact. Very "unhurried" people generally. Naturally very attractive or attracting to others.

Your Asc is ruled by Pluto and Venus rules the 7th:Pluto and Venus are not friends. Venus accommodate suspicious Pluto. And Pluto tends to patronize simplistic Venus.

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In the first post I made on this thread, I literally did just that.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Essentially both of you are grappling with 'security/trust' issues, but expressing them in differing ways: You focus mostly on trust, your partner is on security.

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Yes

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

The ruler of your 2nd house(Jupiter)-you put a lot of value in being open-minded, well-versed and well-traveled. To you, this is the "fruit" of life: to learn and savor every experience you have.

The ruler of the 2nd in the 7th. You would like your partner to reflect what you value;be very well-versed, well traveled, wise and educated/experienced(Jupiter)

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While at least this part resonates with me, Scorpio is on the cusp of the second. Wouldn't Pluto still be the ruler?

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Often times Jupiter in 7th is also indicative of an older/wiser/experienced partner. Or one with a strong academic background.

The not so-great expression of the 2nd house ruler in 7th, is that you tend to think of your relationships as an extension of your self-esteem.

This leads you to act very possessive of your partners or to insist that they share the same values that you do- maybe even forcing the principles you have on them. .

This is a defense against the loss of security(2nd house ruler is Jupiter). And may re-emphasize what I said earlier about Asc in Scorpio and "trust" issues.

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I'm not saying I don't/haven't done some if this, but I'm having trouble seeing it.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

6th house cusp is Aries- you prefer to work alone/lead. Some sense of autonomy is needed by you as you may grate people up the wrong way(at worst) on an every day basis.

Perhaps there is something abrasive about your approach to them? Colleagues may fight with you, your co-workers may find you touchy and argumentative or the nature of the work environment may require a great deal of manual labour/force or energy etc.

The ruler of the 6th in the 7th- you bring a lot of that "gung-ho" attitude of your work to the relationship i.e you tend to act as a single person in a relationship: insisting that your will be done but not willing to tow the line when it comes to the other.

People with Mars in 7th/Aries on the 7th house cusp, need to learn more about the "we" word. Otherwise they will suffer much separation in relationships with friends,lovers and even family.

There is a tendency for them to think in terms of "i"-which is really not a bad thing in and of itself.

But it does mean that one doesn't tend to afford others the equal privilege of being as abrasive, self-centered as they are etc. Infact, they will clash with these types of personalities.

The interesting thing is that with Venus ruling the 7th and Mars interacting here, there could be sexual sparks that fly too.

Your partner is not the type to walk off in a huff. They are likely to let things slide/build up(negative expression of Taurus 7th house cusp).

But you must be careful in sparking unnecessary arguments or squabbles as Taurus is all about peace of mind.

So when they feel like you are too much of a lose cannon and acting inconsistent to the peace of mind they are aiming for,Taurus can simply walk away. Never to be heard or seen from again.

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Lots of great stuff there. Never thought much about Aries and the sixth before. I've been in the position where co-workers referred to me as " Mr.(company name) and tried to back stab me to powers that be. And yes, I really do better independently. Don't play well with bosses who micromanage me.

Virgo Uranus in 10, Leo Moon in 10th, Leo MC... Yeah, I want a lot of freedom and recognition for my work. I'm now self employed doing consulting and what on earth took me so long to start doing it? I pray I never go back to a time clock and employee handbook!

But, as it pertains to this...

Abrasive? Moi? *blink blink*? Heavens (and my 10th house Leo Moon) forbid! Self centered? I am the bright shiny center of my universe! *swoosh* (I have to remind myself of that from time to time lest I get caught up living as if I'm someone else's extra...)

Anyway, my values and will are so reasonable why wouldn't you see it my way? Here, let me explain why I'm right! Lol! Ok, not to that extent, but a little bit on the mark...

I and my partners both can fall into the trap of conflict avoidance and let things build up. Got to remember, and remind the partner, to talk things out.

We... Yeah. I understand synastry charts but not so much composites charts.

posted July 14, 2015 01:08 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Bump fot Aries23

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Hi there I haven't forgotten. Just been a little hectic lately.

posted July 18, 2015 03:11 AM            

These people tend to be the most adaptable, versatile and ever-changing of all zodiac signs(tied with Pisces).

Your Asc ruler (Mercury) is in the 11th house.

The 11 house cusp is in Aries;

Aries is the warrior sign-independent, feisty and self-governing.

In the 11th house of friendships, camaraderie and sharing one ideal, there is a likelihood for the individual to feel very much ‘out of place’ – when it comes to making friends or socializing with a large group.

As such, most 11th house cusp Aries people tend to not have that many friends.

Or the friendships/associations are likely to be quite volatile and prone to combativeness.

But nevertheless,the ruler of the 1st house(Mercury) is in this house,so is the ruler of the 2nd(Moon),ruler of the 3rd(Sun)and ruler of the 5th(Venus) .

Mercury in this house suggests that you bring a lot of sharing, communication, needing to relate and learning into this house (Gemini).

Moon in this house tends to bring emotional needs (2nd); Often one feels that the friends are part of their family (Cancer) and one becomes very much emotionally involved in them.

These friendships enrich/ anchor their life and make them feel like they “belong” etc.

Venus in this house tends to bring a need for collaborative effort, participation and creating beauty and harmony (Libra).

This is particularly so when it comes to how the individual expresses themselves (5th).

You are very much aware how you convey a message and often go all out to be amiable,charming,agreeable to your friends and very careful not to offend them.

Now the Sun in the 11th as well as it being on the Aries house cusp, brings a sort of “shadow” nature to your 11th house interactions.

On the one hand, much of what is said above makes you very much a team player.

But with Sun (3rd house ruler in 11th) and 11th house cusp in Aries, there is on the other hand times when your more aggressive nature takes the forefront. Or is just bubbling under….

Aries 11th house cusp and Sun there, often feel like they should answer to no-one but themselves.

Both can be quick to tell others what to do .But are very much averse to others doing the same with them.

Also Mars ruling the 11th falling in the 12th, suggests to me that this aggressive stance conveyed by Aries on the 11th house cusp, is very much suppressed.

So it may come out in more passive-aggressive ways and through covert means i.e; sulking when not getting your way, silent “retreats” or treatment of your friends or just plain “sudden” mood swings.

Sun in 3rd interferes with diplomatic Venus at times; making you more domineering in your friendships than you would like.

Moon interacts with Mars ruled 11th house cusp Aries- making you very sensitive and prone to emotional outburst that others believe “came out of nowhere”(Mars in 12th)

Often the Moon interacting with an Aries house cusp (or Mars interacting with a Cancer house cusp), can indicate extreme sensitivity and defensiveness with regards to issues of that house/life area.

In this case, the interaction in 11th house cusp suggests that one is very protective/defensive of their ideals/
friendships or suffers much hurt here.

posted July 20, 2015 10:37 PM            

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Asc in Gemini is an interesting Asc generally.

These people tend to be the most adaptable, versatile and ever-changing of all zodiac signs(tied with Pisces).

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Yes!!! I completely agree, I am never the same for very long. Always evolving, always different. This is part of what frustrates me when people try to pin me down because they have no clue all the different routes I'm planning in my mind.

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In the 11th house of friendships, camaraderie and sharing one ideal, there is a likelihood for the individual to feel very much ‘out of place’ – when it comes to making friends or socializing with a large group.

As such, most 11th house cusp Aries people tend to not have that many friends.

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*Jaw drop.* So true. SO SO true. Why, if the 11th house is about friendship, does that Aries placement not have many friends?! Is it because Aries is a 'me' sign so they are kind of their own best friend in this placement?

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Mercury in this house suggests that you bring a lot of sharing, communication, needing to relate and learning into this house (Gemini).

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I get told often the way I think is weird and I have yet to understand why. I personally think I have a lot of common sense... *shuffles ground*

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Moon in this house tends to bring emotional needs (2nd); Often one feels that the friends are part of their family (Cancer) and one becomes very much emotionally involved in them.
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You are very much aware how you convey a message and often go all out to be amiable, charming, agreeable to your friends and very careful not to offend them.

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I'm interested in any ideas you have about Moon in the 11th. Does it make someone detached? To the second part about conveying messages - a resounding YES. It's like I have precise control over it in a way I haven't observed in my friends or associates.

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Also Mars ruling the 11th falling in the 12th, suggests to me that this aggressive stance conveyed by Aries on the 11th house cusp, is very much suppressed.

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I'm conflicted about my Mars in the 12th since it's conjunct the ASC. To me I have logical reasons why I can't go off - the threat of being fired, the tension afterwards, scaring people lol. But I suppose other people might go off anyway and get over it? Is that how regular conflict works?

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So it may come out in more passive-aggressive ways and through covert means i.e; sulking when not getting your way, silent “retreats” or treatment of your friends or just plain “sudden” mood swings.

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:thumbs up: Didn't know mood swings were apart of Mars, but that's DEFINITELY true. All that my Mars conj. ASC means is I can't hide it very well but since Mars is certainly in the 12th it represents a resistance to express such. Thanks for that brainstorm

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Sun in 3rd interferes with diplomatic Venus at times

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making you more domineering in your friendships than you would like.

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LOL yep, my boss and my friend I just got a job for at my work both told me I'm attitude-y and bossy just yesterday...

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Moon interacts with Mars ruled 11th house cusp Aries

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making you very sensitive and prone to emotional outburst that others believe “came out of nowhere”(Mars in 12th)

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Yes again. Does this tie into Moon / Pluto at all?

Let me know what you would like in exchange for this, thank you.

posted July 21, 2015 01:36 AM            

These are often the standard for doing chart readings.

But then,there are also the subtle but very important individualized placements, that make the individual unique.

One would never be able to tell that with Moon in 11th and Aries on the cusp of the 11th, there could be some back/forth with regards to friendships(11th).

Your Moon in 11th suggests that you are searching for a feeling of "family" with your associations and friendships. You want your friendships to play a sort of "nurturing" role in your life.

It is also likely that you "nurture" your friendships.

The 11th house cusp in Aries suggests that there could be some conflict here;

Yes, the Moon ruling the 2nd placed in 11th makes friendships very important for you. You value them.

But with 11th house Aries, there is also that independent streak that you have. You don't do well with following "group mentality".

Aries is a loner(mostly). This is also emphasized by the ruler(Mars) in 12th(private).

At times you may want people around you because Cancer is more communal and searches for belonging.

But at other times, you just want "time off" from people and be on your own and doing your thing -without the interference of others(12th house Mars placement)

This is the back/forth I speak of. And the interaction of Moon and Aries on the 11th house,also suggest to me some defensiveness and a tendency to be hurt or wounded by friends(11th).

And this is is not easily picked up by looking at aspects alone.

Mars in 12th suggests that ANGER/ AGGRESSION(Mars)is often disguised or hidden for various reasons;

It could be that(as you said), you fear going "overboard" and hurting people seriously.

The other thing could be that you also may fear the retaliation from others, will be swift and painful.

12th house interfering with your Asc, makes you more private and introspective than "public".

So you don't like "acting up" in public or "causing a scene"" that brings unnecessary attention to yourself etc.

The other things is with Sun ruling the third(and not Sun in 3rd as I mistakenly said).

When Leo is on the cusp of the 3rd house, we often want to be heard,want to express ourselves and "dominate" the communication channels(3rd).

But Venus rules the 5th house(also the house of expression- but in the more creative sense of the word).

With the 3rd house, we "must" express ourselves . But with 5th house, there is more of an artistic "flair" to it-especially with Venus ruling it.

Now Venus and Sun are not friends(contrary to popular belief).

Venus is "we". The Sun (much like Mars) is "I". And is very much aware of the personal ego.

Venus in 11th will bring the artistic flair of communication, balancing needs and establishing harmony(5th house cusp in Libra) in your friendships.

Sun in 11th will bring the "I need to have the last word in" energy of the 3rd house cusp Leo also into friendships.

The results can vary because; at time you can be diplomatic and wanting to hear other people's points of view(Venus).

But then at other times, it can be all too easy to "dominate" with your opinion and your own point of view etc.

This is what I meant by "interference".

As people, we are multi-layered. And as such,we must look at the natal chart in that sense and not limit ourselves to thinking-"I am this way, so I cannot be any other way but this".

Planets can fall ANYWHERE and bring the energy ANYWHERE- either by progression or transits.

Sometimes we may have a "aha" moment of realizing something other than what we thought we knew about ourselves by transits alone.