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sand
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posted January 27, 2012 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
can it border on the ridiculous sometimes? (ima thinking itsha yesh!)

i have it rising. pluto on the ascendant. mars and saturn in h1.

i'm not even hiding anything lol! still i don't like people knowing too much about me IRL.

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posted January 27, 2012 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I don't know if I would brand this as 'paranoia' but I agree on the "symptoms"...
It seems every Scorpio placement that gives intensity also gives a degree of secrecy/mystery.
To me, a Scorpio Venus with Pluto in the 8th, it's a matter of gradual development of trust and openness. I don't care for appearances. Once I figure the relationship/friendship has a certain depth, I'm diving in (=completely open). But not before that point.
You wouldn't drive your Cadillac to just go pick up milk from your neighborhood supermarket, right?

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posted January 27, 2012 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm definitely open in relationships BUT i also like to keep it hidden as much as i can. sneaking around in dark rooms (literally the photography kind) or some little restaurant iv discovered.
and i'm very quiet about the whole thing too even with people iv known for decades. i just shut down in that topic of converstaion lol disaster!

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posted January 27, 2012 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forget what is going on in your 12th house but yeah that does sound familiar (and pretty healthy for a "Plutonian").

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posted January 27, 2012 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
libra. ruler venus is in h7.

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posted January 27, 2012 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where's Neptune? Any aspects between Nept and Venus? Also any planets in the 12th?

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posted January 27, 2012 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
neptune is in h3. the neighborhood hehe! everyone knows everyone in my old house even if i don't really know anyone. naturally nosy peeps perhaps but they are very nice.

neptune trines venus.

maybe pluto is in h12.

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posted January 27, 2012 05:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, there you go!
Pluto in the 12th conj ASC and natural ruler of the 12th in trine with your 12th house ruler confirm your Plutonian+Neptunian tendencies (secretive and in a fog lol).
That's alright. Unless it is an obstacle in being seen by a potential partner.

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posted January 27, 2012 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh is that why I'm paranoid? Scorpio?

Scorpio is my north node and Uranus sign, trine my 8th house Pisces moon.

Every day I spend a good amount of time thinking about what it would be like to lose absolutely everything...my family, my comfort, my life. Maybe this is it!

Hmm...thanks for bringing this up, I'm still pretty new to astrology so I can't add much to the conversation here except "cheers" to my fellow paranoid people.

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Well, there you go!
Pluto in the 12th conj ASC and natural ruler of the 12th in trine with your 12th house ruler confirm your Plutonian+Neptunian tendencies (secretive and in a fog lol).
That's alright. Unless it is an obstacle in being seen by a potential partner.

really, ruler of 12th is libra/venus and they are in opposition

Ruler of the Twelfth House in the Seventh House
"You could have a past life connection to your spouse, best friends, or close partners in general. You can feel a certain predestined obligation towards these relationships. You may experience confusion and doubt about a spouse or a very close partner. If this is the case, you may have to forgive this person in order to elevate yourself. Giving too much of your power away to other people can eventually work against you. Be your own best friend first." http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr12

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Originally posted by sand:
can it border on the ridiculous sometimes? (ima thinking itsha yesh!)

i have it rising. pluto on the ascendant. mars and saturn in h1.

i'm not even hiding anything lol! still i don't like people knowing too much about me IRL.


Scorpio Asc is THE most private sign and really doesn't want people knowing its business at ALL.... and pluto conj Asc shows you hold yourself aloof, so people don't get close. Saturn in first shows a lack of confidence to...

Do you hold grudges?? are you very controlling?

Scorpio is 'extremely' analytical, make great detectives and can't stand having anything kept hidden from them
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I love the parable, “If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, BUT if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for life.”

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Originally posted by Faith:
Oh is that why I'm paranoid? Scorpio?

Scorpio is my north node and Uranus sign, trine my 8th house Pisces moon.

Every day I spend a good amount of time thinking about what it would be like to lose absolutely everything...my family, my comfort, my life. Maybe this is it!

Hmm...thanks for bringing this up, I'm still pretty new to astrology so I can't add much to the conversation here except "cheers" to my fellow paranoid people.


I don't agree at all with this. I have scorpio North Node Angular/10th house and am not paranoid

North node http://www.cafeastrology.com/northnodesouthnode.html http://www.astrologycom.com/nodes.html http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/north-node-karma.php http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/moon_nodes.htm http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/North%20Node%20and%20the%20Quest%20for%20the%20Authentic%20Self http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/nodes http://astrologyforthesoul.com/astrologyproblems.html http://astrologyforthesoul.com/monnodzpolari.html

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I love the parable, “If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, BUT if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for life.”

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posted January 27, 2012 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Scorpio Asc is THE most private sign and really doesn't want people knowing its business at ALL.... and pluto conj Asc shows you hold yourself aloof, so people don't get close. Saturn in first shows a lack of confidence to...

Do you hold grudges?? are you very controlling?


LOL...SaggiMc do you really expect her to answer that? She doesn't want you to know her business, you just said so!

Okay, so you are not paranoid with Scorpio north node. Maybe I'm paranoid because I have Saturn in the 12th house. Or because world affairs warrant "preparation." Maybe it's not paranoia, just reasonable concern.

Scorpios love "survival" scenarios, I'm told.

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posted January 27, 2012 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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can it border on the ridiculous sometimes? (ima thinking itsha yesh!)

HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHA HA HA... *wipes the tears from her eyes*

The answer is: Yes, it does border on ridiculous (sometimes).

My intense Scorpio Sun/Pluto Saturn/Mercury friend is insanely paranoid! More so than anyone else I've ever met (and I've known LOTS of Scorpios). What's even more funny about him though is the fact that he will think that he's being secretive and clever by hiding something from you (usually verbally), but he's TOTALLY GIVING IT AWAY through his actions/demeanor/facial expressions/etc. EVERYONE AROUND HIM knows almost all of his secrets but everyone pretends like they don't know because it's such a battle with him when he finds out you have 'betrayed' him. He's so transparent it's kind of scary actually. And honestly, it seems really sad to me, because he stirs up so much drama with it all, that he is like a bull in a china shop. Plus, he'll be deceptive about dumb stuff along with the important stuff... It doesn't even make sense.

Now, I'm a Scorpio Asc, and I'm not paranoid about people finding out my secrets (probably because I don't HAVE many secrets, and the ones I do, I'm not too ashamed of). It's probably because I have 3 Sagittarius planets also in my first house. However, I do give off the IMPRESSION of being secretive because I don't always tell my life story to people right off the bat. I'm not super chatty. I tend to hang back and listen to people more than talk when I first meet them because I want to find out what the best way to approach them is. So yeah, Scorpio Asc- not so much on the paranoia. If anything, I'm probably too trusting of people.

EDIT: I would also say that most of the Scorpios I've known aren't hugely paranoid people... Just the one.

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posted January 27, 2012 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
really, ruler of 12th is libra/venus and they are in opposition

Really! You ought to be reading other people's posts more carefully since you like to butt in to correct them.

I said this to sand and he got it; here's another chance for you: the 12th house is naturally the house of Pisces, hence naturally ruled by Neptune. Now, sand's own natal 12th house cusp is in Libra hence ruled by Venus. The natural ruler of the 12th house (Nept) is in trine to the natal ruler of his 12th (Venus). Now take your cookbooks out and see what that means. You hardly understood what sand was asking about.


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posted January 27, 2012 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by enchantress299:
HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHA HA HA... *wipes the tears from her eyes*

The answer is: Yes, it does border on ridiculous (sometimes).

My intense Scorpio Sun/Pluto Saturn/Mercury friend is insanely paranoid! More so than anyone else I've ever met (and I've known LOTS of Scorpios). What's even more funny about him though is the fact that he will think that he's being secretive and clever by hiding something from you (usually verbally), but he's TOTALLY GIVING IT AWAY through his actions/demeanor/facial expressions/etc. EVERYONE AROUND HIM knows almost all of his secrets but everyone pretends like they don't know because it's such a battle with him when he finds out you have 'betrayed' him. He's so transparent it's kind of scary actually. And honestly, it seems really sad to me, because he stirs up so much drama with it all, that he is like a bull in a china shop. Plus, he'll be deceptive about dumb stuff along with the important stuff... It doesn't even make sense.

Now, I'm a Scorpio Asc, and I'm not paranoid about people finding out my secrets (probably because I don't HAVE many secrets, and the ones I do, I'm not too ashamed of). It's probably because I have 3 Sagittarius planets also in my first house. However, I do give off the IMPRESSION of being secretive because I don't always tell my life story to people right off the bat. I'm not super chatty. I tend to hang back and listen to people more than talk when I first meet them because I want to find out what the best way to approach them is. So yeah, Scorpio Asc- not so much on the paranoia. If anything, I'm probably too trusting of people.

EDIT: I would also say that most of the Scorpios I've known aren't hugely paranoid people... Just the one.


i don't have any secrets too but i look hella suspicious going out of my house/ getting into my car LOLOL! scorpio ascendants cannot be hitmen. we'd be so easy to make out in a room. or they'd be like even if that wasn't him that fellow over der sure has to have done something HAHA!

and yesh that life story of the bat! people are so open lol! i'm like da hell u telling that guy ur life story for u just met him. da **** does he even care (to my pisces friend). we should do that tho hehehe!

stuff i lump into ridiculousness- thinking the person that cuts your hair knows too much about you

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posted January 27, 2012 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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can it border on the ridiculous sometimes?

Yes! lol
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posted January 27, 2012 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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stuff i lump into ridiculousness- thinking the person that cuts your hair knows too much about you

Well your hairdresser COULD be psychic.

Or see your aura.

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posted January 27, 2012 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an extremely logical mind, but the emotion of parinoid has gotten the better of me in the past. If my emotions lock onto some sort of parinoid delusion, even if it is completely unsound, it's near impossible for me to let go of. I spent 6 months in 2011 in constant fear over a statement a women I don't know made to me. In short, I feared my student loans wouldn't defer and then there goes grad school (to which I got a free ride for). Even after I proved to myself I was fine, I couldn't let go of the fear that something was going to go wrong. It was CRUSHING. I was only 2 steps back from being suicidal at a few points cause of it. If they didn't defer... I honestly might have taken that drastic step.

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posted January 28, 2012 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(i'm thinking bull in a china shop isn't that much of a rarity astro-wise!)

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posted January 28, 2012 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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i don't have any secrets too but i look hella suspicious going out of my house/ getting into my car LOLOL! scorpio ascendants cannot be hitmen. we'd be so easy to make out in a room. or they'd be like even if that wasn't him that fellow over der sure has to have done something HAHA!

and yesh that life story of the bat! people are so open lol! i'm like da hell u telling that guy ur life story for u just met him. da **** does he even care (to my pisces friend). we should do that tho hehehe!

stuff i lump into ridiculousness- thinking the person that cuts your hair knows too much about you


Yeah... I don't look suspicious so much as I seem 'different' because I'm not one for small talk. I actually used to be called 'goody two shoes' all the time when I was kid and teenager. Except for the fact that I used to be REALLY quiet, and people would always say about me: "You have to look out for the quiet ones." I suppose they thought they were being cute. I found it insulting. However, in more recent years, my friends have started calling me "the bad girl," which is funny because I'm actually less 'bad' than all of them. I've done less crazy embarrassing things, and when I DO do crazy embarrassing things, I'm always up front about it (I usually make jokes ).

So yeah... Scorpio Rising = Always being guilty even when you are a 'goody two shoes' or a 'bad girl.'

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I have an extremely logical mind, but the emotion of parinoid has gotten the better of me in the past. If my emotions lock onto some sort of parinoid delusion, even if it is completely unsound, it's near impossible for me to let go of. I spent 6 months in 2011 in constant fear over a statement a women I don't know made to me. In short, I feared my student loans wouldn't defer and then there goes grad school (to which I got a free ride for). Even after I proved to myself I was fine, I couldn't let go of the fear that something was going to go wrong. It was CRUSHING. I was only 2 steps back from being suicidal at a few points cause of it. If they didn't defer... I honestly might have taken that drastic step.

Tautomer- You know, that doesn't strike me as paranoia so much as extreme anxiety (I guess they are kind of similar). I would probably be very worried if I was afraid I was going to be in grave financial trouble too. It sounds like you might have just taken it to the next level and made the anxiety into something obsessive.

To me, paranoia is more like: "The world is out to get me and take away my security and safety, so as a result I feel the need to protect myself by hiding things, lying, etc." Usually this feeling isn't based on anything really tangible or real (conspiracy theorists abound). Whereas with what you are speaking about, there is a very marked fear of financial problems. That is more anxiety-like to me... Just my opinion though.

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posted January 28, 2012 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually...

You know, I kind of like the title of this thread, because I think that just the word 'Scorpio' creates paranoia in the hearts of other signs.

I'm not saying that Scorpios can't lie and manipulate, but so can every other sign, and to be truthful, I've seen it a lot more often in air signs than I ever have in Scorpios. I've been friends with LOTS of Scorpios and they are very honest people.

So yes: Scorpio influenced paranoia is right...

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posted January 28, 2012 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You know, I kind of like the title of this thread, because I think that just the word 'Scorpio' creates paranoia in the hearts of other signs.

LOL!!!

I've got Linda Goodman's Relationship signs book. Describing Scorpio rising men, she says you will be wondering if they hypnotize you in your sleep.

I went out with one. I think he did!

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posted January 28, 2012 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Actually...

You know, I kind of like the title of this thread, because I think that just the word 'Scorpio' creates paranoia in the hearts of other signs.

I'm not saying that Scorpios can't lie and manipulate, but so can every other sign, and to be truthful, I've seen it a lot more often in air signs than I ever have in Scorpios. I've been friends with LOTS of Scorpios and they are very honest people.

So yes: Scorpio influenced paranoia is right...


LMAO that's a good point so perhaps there is an air of paranoia surrounding us all the time whether it is ours or not.

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LOL!!!

I've got Linda Goodman's Relationship signs book. Describing Scorpio rising men, she says you will be wondering if they hypnotize you in your sleep.

I went out with one. I think he did!


there's a section on scorpio rising? which book was it agen?

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