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hannaramaa
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posted January 28, 2012 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 28, 2012 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see Pluto also in the 1st house in Scorpio, so my inclination would be to say yes but I didn't know if there were other aspects that would balance that out.

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posted January 28, 2012 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminisquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon is pisces can be emotionally manipulative. Playing innocent to get things they want, acting with their emotions in order to induce certain responses (sometimes sympathy, but not always), playing 'dumb' so that more is not asked of them, etc. Plus they have moon trine pluto. Also with some libra thrown in that chart. I bet this person is very persuasive and in fact can control who ever they wish.

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posted January 28, 2012 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Geminisquared:
Moon is pisces can be emotionally manipulative. Playing innocent to get things they want, acting with their emotions in order to induce certain responses (sometimes sympathy, but not always), playing 'dumb' so that more is not asked of them, etc. Plus they have moon trine pluto. Also with some libra thrown in that chart. I bet this person is very persuasive and in fact can control who ever they wish.

How do you guard against such behavior without pushing the person away?

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posted January 28, 2012 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I see Pluto also in the 1st house in Scorpio, so my inclination would be to say yes but I didn't know if there were other aspects that would balance that out.

Exactly, scorpio and pluto plus anything in Leo, house of leo 5th, and 8th house of scorpio are THE most controlling, demaning, manipulative signs/water..

mars quincunx Neptune
This suggests to me you are drawn to 'questionable relationships' with a tendency to dismiss or overlook pertinent factors as insignificant until you realise it's too late and perhaps you should have paid more attention.

"Your idealism and inflated expectations of others and life can lead you into very frustrating circumstances where you feel emotionally and physically drained. Your energy and emotions strengthen as you learn how and where to be involved in other people's projects. You have difficulty learning realistic boundaries with others and realistic limits as to what you can expect from yourself. Artistic expression can help give form to your humanitarian temperament." http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

Jupiter Quincunx (Inconjunct) Uranus
“Overly ambitious, you have an intuitive grasp of the big picture, which stems from optimum flexibility of your values. You are easily led by your impulses to quickly adjust to deep changes in your values. Without discipline you will be in trouble because your enthusiasm will carry you into uncharted waters. Expression of your energy can get you into trouble. Slowly, you learn to harness this expression into something truly creative.” http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

my version of this aspect is uranus gives you flashes of intuition, orginal inventive methodds but have problems in finding application and outlets. Can be fear of being tied down (uranus) and inclined to reject opportunities that come your way. You may create a very different impression from the one you intended and seldom end up doing what was planned.....

Sun quincunx neptune
“shows that you consider your responsibilities the most pressing in the world. There is an element of self sacrifice. You really believe people who suggest that only you can solve their problems. Because of this martyr quality, you seek the most demanding jobs or human situations in order to test your commitment to service. Unsure of yourself you continually try to find ways to prove your competence, but deplete your own energies.
Professional success will be difficult to achieve because of your preoccupation with endless trivia. Exaggerating the importance of superficial matters, you tend to get bogged down by them.”

From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

Sometimes these quincunxs (aka Inconjuncts 150’) are obvious and recognised in personality, other times it can take a lot of self examination to identify with the planets energies and of course they (like all aspects) don't operate 100% of the time, they are simply a facet of your personality. Some say they cause health issues that are unresolved, underlying, dormant waiting to be triggered.... some say you stay at one end, to the detriment of the other, OR end up see-sawing between the two until you learn balance, integration of two unlikely pairings.

Next look at the signs, then houses and then aspects. Now the *others aspects* from these quincunxs/Yods as they can act like escape routes, that can help or hinder the expressions. A chart with lots of Yods (Finger of God) will always be *searching* for the divine answers to the meaning of life, to find synthesis
What tends to happen with quincunxs is that with progessions and transits will create temporary Yods aka 'Finger of god' configurations. Like with common TSquares, they create a temp Grand Square...

Jupiter in Leo in 9th (domicile Equal house) wants to be centre of attention. I don't see pisces moon as controlling at all, it's very sacrifical, bends over backwards. It may add some emotional restlessness, indecisiveness and procrastinations...

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I love the parable, “If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, BUT if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for life.”

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this jupiter it also a singleton, which is important

Basic astrology forum, retrogrades,Unaspected & Singletons http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Basic+Astrology&number=12&DaysPrune=

saturn conj neptune 'can sometimes' be depressive.

Saturn conj Neptune http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_CONJUNCTION_OR_PARALLEL_TO_SATURN

Saturn conj/square/opposite neptune can show a fear of the unknown..although these are generational planets, posited in bottom left quadrant makes them felt internally...It can also be linked to depression when triggered and/or having your childhood dreams crushed by father, males and/or authority figures.

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I love the parable, “If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, BUT if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for life.”

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posted January 28, 2012 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People born in the early degrees of Libra, past the cusp, tend to be hardcore perfectionists, and highly critical. (In Gary Goldschneider's astrology system, I am referring to Libra I.)

So if others feel "controlled" by criticism, like they would do stuff just to avoid it...then, to those people, YES this person is controlling.

However, the Pisces moon has a limiting effect on the criticism. This person can feel your pain to a certain extent, so they don't want to inflict too much, because then they partake of whatever the result is.

Moon square Mars...inner conflict about what they want in a relationship.

Since they don't know exactly WHAT they want...it might limit their "controlling" tendencies. They aren't trying to steer you in any particular direction because they don't know what that direction would even be.

Just my guess


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posted January 28, 2012 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry! Double post.


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posted January 28, 2012 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know several Scorp ASC conjunct Pluto. They don't necessarily want to control YOU, they just want to have the upper hand. That's all. They won't tell you what to wear or who to hang out with, but they'll probably do certain things that will ensure that the outcome is in their favor.

People that are controlling in authoritarian way tend to be Saturnine.

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posted January 28, 2012 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I have my chart ruler, Jupiter, in Pisces, and am a Libra sun and Mercury. Also have Venus in Scorpio, conjunct Pluto. I have a grand trine in water too, for that it's worth, so I have strong water influence: four planets in water, all water signs represented. My moon is also in a water sign--Cancer.

My point in mentioning this is that not everyone with that combination of signs in the chart will be manipulative or deceptive.

Pisces moon people can also be very sweet.

It really does depend on the individual person.

I would say that the way to guard against it would be to stand your ground and not let the person control you. Respect the person, but show that you will not be dominated, nor will you give up your very self.


Pisces people can be sweet, that's true. I also find a lot of them are highly empathic and use the term "evil" to describe someone who's wronged them. The thing is they're not dramatic in announcing this. It almost makes me believe there is such a thing as evil in people.

As far as controlling, every time I meet someone of the opposite sex with Scorpio placements it seems to unlock a battle of psychic wits. I become consumed by them even if I don't want to be. I suppose that's what I meant when I asked about "control," but I know I didn't explain it very well.

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posted January 28, 2012 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How do you guard against such behavior without pushing the person away?

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I would say that the way to guard against it would be to stand your ground and not let the person control you. Respect the person, but show that you will not be dominated, nor will you give up your very self.

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This may be perhaps the more important statement. If you FEEL like someone is manipulating and controlling you (ie they are doing subtle undermining things and are making you feel insecure), they probably are trying to do that very thing. It can be very subtle.

I would say to get away from them, if they are controlling to the point that you can't take it. However, if it's more of a subtle, manageable thing that maybe even they don't know they are doing, call them on it. Create boundaries for yourself and point it out. That's the best way to keep everything above board and honest. Know when to say no and don't let anyone make you feel bad for doing so. You don't have to attack the person. You just have to be very very firm with your boundaries. Also, if the person is trying to place blame on everyone and everything else around him for his own actions, make sure to point out the fact that everything he does is his own CHOICE. Emphasize that heavily.

Unfortunately, being this way MIGHT push the person away, but if that's the case, I would think that this person is probably a lot more manipulative and selfish a person than you want around you anyway. You see, some people just feel the need to push buttons to see where you stand and how you will react. Other people will try to see how much they can get away with and try to take from you. It all depends on your comfort level and what kind of behavior you can stand to take.

If you don't like it or it really scares you, get away from that person.

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posted January 28, 2012 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I know several Scorp ASC conjunct Pluto. They don't necessarily want to control YOU, they just want to have the upper hand. That's all. They won't tell you what to wear or who to hang out with, but they'll probably do certain things that will ensure that the outcome is in their favor.

People that are controlling in authoritarian way tend to be Saturnine.


I agree with this too. I also think Scorpio ASC people tend to lie a lot. Not exaggerating, such as Leos might do, but let's say you ask them a straightforward question, I find they'll either deny it, even if you have facts, or skirt around the issue. I've never known them to be straight up.

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posted January 28, 2012 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
this jupiter it also a singleton, which is important

Basic astrology forum, retrogrades,Unaspected & Singletons http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?ac tion=topics&forum=Basic+Astrology&number=12&DaysPrune=

saturn conj neptune 'can sometimes' be depressive.

Saturn conj Neptune http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_CONJUNCTION_OR_PARALLEL_TO_SATU RN

Saturn conj/square/opposite neptune can show a fear of the unknown..although these are generational planets, posited in bottom left quadrant makes them felt internally...It can also be linked to depression when triggered and/or having your childhood dreams crushed by father, males and/or authority figures.



SaggiMC - Thank you for your effort in this! I'm sure you'll understand my delay in responding completely as it's a ton of information to take in, and I want to respond when I have enough free time to research and compare so as to ask questions.

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posted January 28, 2012 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I agree with this too. I also think Scorpio ASC people tend to lie a lot. Not exaggerating, such as Leos might do, but let's say you ask them a straightforward question, I find they'll either deny it, even if you have facts, or skirt around the issue. I've never known them to be straight up.

You need other factors. I have Scorpio Asc and I find lying reprehensible.

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posted January 28, 2012 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think they LIE, but yes they do skirt around questions. They do value privacy, moreso than any other placement. They're likely to say "that's none of your business" rather than just lie.

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posted January 28, 2012 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well what if it really is none of your business??? When I go to work, I leave my personal life at home. When I go home I leave my work life at work (for the most part). I think that yes, some privacy is necessary for us all to live. I think some people view everything as their business and it's NOT.

I don't consider that skirting anything. I consider that leaving gossip and drama where it belongs- far far away from me.

Obviously it depends on what is being asked (like if it's something that applies to YOU specifically), but I'm just saying... In general, I don't need to know everything about everyone else and vice versa.

Me personally, if you ask me a straight up question (provided I don't mind sharing and provided that it might have some relevance to YOU) I will give you a straight up answer, but I know that this is perhaps not typical of my rising sign. (To be honest, I'm not sure how many other Scorpio risers I actually know... I'll have to look).

I still think that you need more than just the rising... This person's chart does seem to have more indications of other influencing factors, so they might lie. I don't know.

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posted January 28, 2012 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well what if it really is none of your business??? When I go to work, I leave my personal life at home. When I go home I leave my work life at work (for the most part). I think that yes, some privacy is necessary for us all to live. I think some people view everything as their business and it's NOT.

I just wanted to say that your response is very Scorp Rising lol.

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posted January 28, 2012 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To both Amowls and Enchantress, I'm only speaking of Scorpio risings (and Scorpio moons while we're on the subject) that I know personally, and know well. They prefer for the truth to be understood intuitively vs. confirming it verbally I think.

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posted January 28, 2012 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 29, 2012 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
My brother is a Scorpio ASC and he hates to lie--it literally disgusts him.


I've never met your brother so I can't speak for him but kudos that he doesn't do it. For the Scorpio ASC who don't lie I wonder if they find themselves more empathic and thus the strong aversion to it. The gentleman's chart whom I've posted (here's my disclaimer: Yes I have permission to post it. So annoying I have to say that so I don't get hassled...) is very empathic and has always been straight up with people. Point in mentioning that is I wonder if the inability to lie is an empathic trait or part of Scorpio's duality. Probably both but I'd like to discuss it.

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