posted January 28, 2012 02:49 PM            

Looking for commiseration and advice here.

Do you have this problem? You are talking to your friend who thinks astrology is nonsense. They are describing their problem and you are thinking, "Well what do you expect, you're a (fill in the blank with sun sign or info from their chart that you already looked up)?" but you can't say that.

They tell you all about their problems with their mother or boyfriend or friend who is a (fill in the blank with astrology info.) And you want to say, "LOOK, it's no WONDER this isn't working because (fill in the blank with astrology lesson.)"

Instead you have to endure them wondering why life has to be this way.

Do you ever just take the plunge and start talking astrology, and do you ever regret it because they think you are a nut?

posted January 28, 2012 03:14 PM            

like, i'd be like "well i can tell you why i'm so stubborn but you'd say its nonsense or "dont blame it on that"" to my mom

or i'd be like "well i can tell you why i think so differently than you" or "i can tell you this or that" but i'm gonna get an "i dont wanna hear the excuses"

and at work i wanna say "i could tell you the reason for this or that but your not gonna believe me"

and then i wanna be like "but that IS the reason why this or that isnt working, why cant the world just understand? astrology is truth!!" lol but that makes me feel like a preacher trying to shove things down peoples throats, and we all know how that feels

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted January 28, 2012 03:21 PM            

For my part, I don't get to solve anyone's problems by talking astrology. I usually am simply curious to know more about the person, that's all. And yeah it's not fun to be met with this attitude that astrology is crap and you are nuts for "believing" it.

In the end, I resolved to categorize friends who have this attitude to a lesser class of friends that I approach for other reasons and with whom perhaps I share other things. Not all friends have to be made of the same bond, u know.

Btw, if you know they have no interest to learn more about astrology, giving them an unsolicited astro lesson won't help. The only time I offered my astro knowledge without being asked was when I was given their birth data and was in front of my computer. I let some kind of spontaneous remark "oh you have this or that in your natal" and they got interested in hearing more. Among the listeners were naysayers who asked me "and how do you know all this?" to which I responded "you learn astrology by reading about it just like you would learn about computers for instance". Blank stares. No more q's.

posted January 28, 2012 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hi everyone,

Looking for commiseration and advice here.

Do you have this problem? You are talking to your friend who thinks astrology is nonsense. They are describing their problem and you are thinking, "Well what do you expect, you're a (fill in the blank with sun sign or info from their chart that you already looked up)?" but you can't say that.

They tell you all about their problems with their mother or boyfriend or friend who is a (fill in the blank with astrology info.) And you want to say, "LOOK, it's no WONDER this isn't working because (fill in the blank with astrology lesson.)"

Instead you have to endure them wondering why life has to be this way.

Do you ever just take the plunge and start talking astrology, and do you ever regret it because they think you are a nut?

I do.

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I don't but I have, and I know a good way to initiate someone. First consider the possibility that they are in a logical frame of mind, and that they assume science is logical based on their education.

posted January 28, 2012 03:54 PM            

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and then i wanna be like "but that IS the reason why this or that isnt working, why cant the world just understand? astrology is truth!!" lol but that makes me feel like a preacher trying to shove things down peoples throats, and we all know how that feels

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EXACTLY! That's my exact problem, I don't want to "preach" but come ON people, it's TRUE.

Anongrl:

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I posted a rant-ish variant of your msg on the LLC2 a few days ago.

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Would you consider linking it? I'd love to read it.

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Among the listeners were naysayers who asked me "and how do you know all this?" to which I responded "you learn astrology by reading about it just like you would learn about computers for instance". Blank stares. No more q's.

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Sounds familiar. I once told a co-worker that I knew astrology is true because I can usually tell when someone is born. He said, "How about me?" And I correctly guessed mid-May. "HOW DID YOU KNOW?" I explained that it's like calculus, you can't just explain it, too many things have to be learned first. But he probably still thinks I spied on his records or something. LOL

ChironRising:

I'm not that smart! 'Don't know string theory or anything. Do you have a "dumbed down" answer?

posted January 28, 2012 03:59 PM            

I feel the same way about most people's religious beliefs that they feel about my belief in astrology. When people start blabbing about god , jesus, the devil, angels, blah blah blah all I want to say is "Shut up and lay off the crack pipe" but i realize we all believe differently and even if what you believe is real to you, you gotta accept it's not real to others. Deal with THAT.

posted January 28, 2012 04:04 PM            

This is how I look at it, if someone has interest and is open, I will introduce them to astrology. If they are totally against it, then that is their perogative. I am not going to waste my breath on someone who will not use it or understand it.

What good does it do to convince someone how to use a system to which they have already written off in their own mind? None. If someone says they don't put stock into it, I'll quickly explain how what they know is simply sun signs, and what more there is to it. If they laugh or respond strongly before or after that, then I drop it.

I don't feel it's a limitation to not be able to use astrology or any of the personality theories to explain something to someone. I am able to word things in such a way that others will understand the message they need to get. I can use the systems in my mind then "translate it". It's works wonderfully for me and is a pretty good exersize for my brain.

Everyones brains are wired differently. Some peoples brains are simply not wired to understand astrology, and that fine. All you need to do is translate things to speak their "language" and there's nothing wrong with that.

posted January 28, 2012 05:35 PM            

I don't discuss astrology or share my interest with other people,anymore.(non-astro people) The non-believers I met usually put free choice as an argument against astrology. And when I mention the same,they reply astrology is inconsistent and contradictive... I just let them be,I feel they get intellectual kicks out of bashing astrology,and it is important for them to have 5 minutes in smart spot-light

posted January 28, 2012 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I test the waters usually by keeping it light and working in "OH, well when's your birthday?" into the conversation. Most of the people I talk to are vaguely interested in astrology but like Aquaguy pointed out - don't investigate it further on their own. It's annoying because I wish I had friends here who understood and could elaborate on what it is I'm telling them. My best friend likes to hear me talk about it and finds it interesting but doesn't do any research on her own.

I also live in the Bible belt and get a lot of the "Oh, I don't read too much into THAT kind of thing." Well, really? But you don't mind being told you're going to hell every Sunday...interesting. And no, they don't know a lot about it but it's hilarious to hear them rant. Sometimes it makes me wonder why I invest so much energy into researching and learning this stuff.

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posted January 28, 2012 05:46 PM            

Oh well.
With friends I mention it sometimes, not much in detail, most people don't really understand lol and they just don't care too much about it (or believe in it) but then again, I was like that in the past too. I did however talk about it heaps with three people and they were all kinda confused lol. I think it's pretty overwhelming at the start when you start learning about different houses and aspects.

I just don't understand why some people are so closeminded and afraid.
I mean I once dismissed it too, but I have the ability to take in things and change my perspective. Some people are just so stuck on their beliefs that nothing else ever passes their periphery view. Kinda sad actually.

posted January 28, 2012 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I also live in the Bible belt and get a lot of the "Oh, I don't read too much into THAT kind of thing." Well, really? But you don't mind being told you're going to hell every Sunday...interesting. And no, they don't know a lot about it but it's hilarious to hear them rant. Sometimes it makes me wonder why I invest so much energy into researching and learning this stuff.

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One of my old coworkers was super religious and like this. She would say that astrology was the devil and I was like "well how do you know that God is not speaking to me through the charts" (a hypothetical because I am an atheist) and she said that God doesn't speak through astrology charts and ended the conversation lol. She also said things like "women can't be presidents because they're too emotional" and when I argued about it she was like "see, you're getting emotional" :|

posted January 28, 2012 08:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Chironrising:
talk about astrology at work? Yes or no?

ready set...go!

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If it comes up in conversation, and others are receptive, I will talk about it. Otherwise, I am not going to go out of my way. If there is dissent to it, then I will keep my mouth shut. I stay away from controversial topics in work settings unless I am certain everyone is of a similar mind with the topic.

posted January 28, 2012 08:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hi everyone,

Looking for commiseration and advice here.

Do you have this problem? You are talking to your friend who thinks astrology is nonsense. They are describing their problem and you are thinking, "Well what do you expect, you're a (fill in the blank with sun sign or info from their chart that you already looked up)?" but you can't say that.

They tell you all about their problems with their mother or boyfriend or friend who is a (fill in the blank with astrology info.) And you want to say, "LOOK, it's no WONDER this isn't working because (fill in the blank with astrology lesson.)"

Instead you have to endure them wondering why life has to be this way.

Do you ever just take the plunge and start talking astrology, and do you ever regret it because they think you are a nut?

I do.

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posted January 28, 2012 08:57 PM            

In the work field, it's best not to say anything that can be held against you. And you'd be surprised what stupid things people will try to hold against you. I had that happen to me. At my old job. Not with astrology, but I was like are you kidding me!? The person who eavesdropped on my convo about my ex boyfriend being bipolar should be TALKED TO, not me. (I got my revenge on them but that's another story)

posted January 28, 2012 09:53 PM            

But I do open up a little bit about it with certain people. And pretty much tell them that it's my spiritual outlet.
Or I know a lot about astrology, more than most people.

And the rare times people seem to REALLY know what I'm talking about. I revel to them my rising sign and that other stuff. And I will tell you that has only happened twice in my life! One guy was a psychic and one is my guy friend use to work some place where a lot of people where in to astrology and new age stuff. Since that convo we like to go stone shopping together.

I did have my friend look at her chart though. And my mom too.

posted January 28, 2012 11:16 PM            

i prefer to keep my astro interest to myself so i have no problem with this.

it's also kinda hard to find a real solution to problems in a chart.

posted January 29, 2012 12:29 AM            

Occasionally I'll ask a person for their birth information and permission to look at their chart. People sometimes chuckle or profess their disbelief in astrology, but I just tell them it is for my personal interest and leave it at that. When I feel the urge to convey an astrological idea to someone, I find it helpful to talk about the attributes and put aside the terminology. Comments like the following are useful for getting your point across without the other person getting tangled up in the whole astrology debate -

"I notice you have a strong desire for complex connections with individuals. Perhaps the two of you aren't hitting it off, because she feels at home with less dedicated connections and groups of people. Have you considered accepting that she may just be wired that way and learning to accept her at whatever level you are capable? With that kind of perspective you can learn to appreciate her for who she is, without wondering why she doesn't see the world with similar eyes".