posted February 01, 2012 10:30 PM            

I'm like, "sh!t, why do I hang out around you..."

So I asked for their birth specifics and stuff, and wow, their chart is kinda...rare, maybe! So I wanna know a few things...

What makes them so overall sad and unhappy?

What is the significance of every personal planet being in fall/detriment?

How about the grand water trine?

posted February 01, 2012 10:35 PM            

Sun square pluto makes you seee the negative in things and focus on the negative and dark side of things.

posted February 01, 2012 10:38 PM            

One of the most prominent characteristics of these aspects is the tendency to be intensely dissatisfied with their personal accomplishments and expressions of self. These people put a lot of pressure on themselves regarding their own endeavors. A child, for example, with a challenging Sun-Pluto aspect may work hard at a piece of artwork, decide it's not right, destroy it, and start all over again. This same child will be especially disturbed if they feel people are watching as they create their artwork. This is a simple example, but it's quite descriptive of the tendency for these people to be dissatisfied with their creative self-expressions, and to want to hide their expressions from others until they feel the output is "right". This is largely due to a perceived inability to express or reveal their true personalities to others. They experience a simultaneous urge to express themselves and to hide themselves. They struggle with a deep need to control themselves and life itself. Rarely are Sun-Pluto people completely satisfied with themselves. They are especially sensitive to criticism, and feel the need to "redo" themselves often. There is a marked fear of losing control, and this might stem from some traumatic event in childhood, or the childhood might have been crisis-ridden or emotionally-charged in general. As such, these people are often intensely fearful of, or threatened by, change. This can express itself through attempts to control their lives such that they can manage their fears of being taken off guard. Of course, this generally backfires!

Another characteristic of these aspects is an intense need for privacy. They fear being exposed or invaded. Again, this is an expression of their dissatisfaction with the self they are projecting, and they are generally uncomfortable with their evolving ego. They seem to undergo many identity crises, and they feel the need to control what others know about them and think about them. Their fear of exposing themselves might cause them problems with others, who may begin to mistrust them, presuming that if they are so protective of their privacy, they must have something sinister to hide. The truth is, they struggle with a dissatisfaction with themselves and their fear of being exposed is really about a fear of being vulnerable, as well as a manifestation of their own identity crisis.

These people are quick to read between the lines. They need to be careful, however, to avoid reading negative or dark things into situations or people. They need to know that if their tendency is to hunt for dark "truths" rather than unbiased truths, this is a self-destructive behavior that stems from fear. Many people with these aspects are overly attached to things, habits, people, and their past. At the root of this is an intense fear of change that would threaten to make them vulnerable. Still, Pluto's goal is to transform through change. Inevitably, Sun-Pluto people will have to face their fear of change and accept that they need change in order to grow.

We all have a dark, irrational side, but people with Sun-Pluto in hard aspect are forced to confront it and integrate it into their personalities. It can be a challenging process, especially because the Sun rules all that is "light" - the rational, conscious mind. The Sun is noble and righteous by nature. Aligned with Pluto, it can have a hard time accepting the darker, intense, and often irrational Pluto energies into one cohesive whole. This is the challenge that Sun-Pluto face. If these people find themselves using manipulative tactics to get their way, or attempting to control others through subversive tactics, it is a clear cue that they are mishandling Pluto energies. It is a powerful indication that their self-image is low. There is little satisfaction derived from getting our way through manipulation. It only serves to make us feel less effective in the long run and on a personal level. If I were to win a favor by using subversive tactics, what will it prove to me? It will reinforce my feeling that I am not effective just by being myself. And, effectiveness is something Sun-Pluto craves.

Especially with the opposition, these people might attract manipulative, possessive, or jealous people into their lives. With the square, there is more of a tendency to attract dangerous or upsetting situations in the life. Either way, these people need to get in touch with the reason why they are attracting these people and situations. In all likelihood, they are not handling their own fears effectively, and they feel they are not in control of their lives, and a looping pattern is thereby created. They eventually come to realize that they are very strong people with enormous resilience. They need to identify with, face, and accept their "dark" side. Self-acceptance is the key to handling this aspect. Channeling Pluto energy into constructive channels is also important.
-cafeastrology

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“Perfect love casts out fear. Where there is love there are no demands, no expectations, no dependency. I do not demand that you make me happy; my happiness does not lie in you. If you were to leave me, I will not feel sorry for myself; I enjoy your company immensely, but I do not cling.” -Anthony de Mello

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

posted February 01, 2012 10:39 PM            

Or maybe your Saturn aspects their Moon so that they get depressed/depressing when interacting with you.

Do they get adequate exercise? Endorphins would lift their mood.

posted February 01, 2012 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:

Or maybe your Saturn aspects their Moon so that they get depressed/depressing when interacting with you.

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posted February 01, 2012 10:44 PM            

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And no, he just lays around his house all day, then goes to work at night, then goes back to his house to lay around some more.

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posted February 01, 2012 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
I suppose I should also mentions he's extremely popular despite being so negative.

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It sucks to suffer from depression and I hope you are a good friend to him....my friend has manic depression since he was born it seems and he has sun square pluto, sun trine chiron, venus conjunct saturn, jupiter square saturn and jupiter square uranus.

Your friend has sun opposite Chiron, Sun square Pluto, venus semisquare saturn, and jupiter square uranus.

posted February 01, 2012 11:36 PM            

1) His Saturn conj. Sun, both oppose Pluto-major source of troubles and difficulties.

2) The whole could be exacerbated by transiting Saturn aspects.

3) I don't mean to make light of the situation at all as it is serious--but recent research has shown that eating mushrooms regularly can ease depression. You could probably look this up--as to which types and how much.

posted February 02, 2012 12:37 AM            

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Originally posted by L0veLess:
wait how is this a rare chart? i don't understand and im interested in knowing why.

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I thought maybe it would be rare because...

Sun in Aquarius
Moon in Scorpio
Mercury in Pisces
Venus in Aries
Mars in Cancer

posted February 02, 2012 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
I thought maybe it would be rare because...

Sun in Aquarius
Moon in Scorpio
Mercury in Pisces
Venus in Aries
Mars in Cancer

All his personal planets are either in fall or in detriment. I dunno, is that rare? Should I not call it a rare chart? D: I'M UNSURE OF MYSELF NOW.

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posted February 02, 2012 01:15 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
It sucks to suffer from depression and I hope you are a good friend to him....my friend has manic depression since he was born it seems and he has sun square pluto, sun trine chiron, venus conjunct saturn, jupiter square saturn and jupiter square uranus.

Your friend has sun opposite Chiron, Sun square Pluto, venus semisquare saturn, and jupiter square uranus.

I feel bad for your friend. My friend goes to the gym and that is not enough to fix it. A lot of people have a lot of ideas to fix depression but suggest them to someone who actually suffers from manic depression and in actuality and practicality getting rid of depression is not that simple if is something you have struggled with most of your life.

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Depression = Anger (Mars) - Energy (also under the domain of Mars)

Astrologically, he has an afflicted Mars (in Detriment squaring Venus in an uncomfortable sign) forming a trine (which is the steadiest flow of energy) to his Moon in Scorpio (feels deeply).

posted February 02, 2012 10:46 AM            

Thanks for posting all that, I have sun square Pluto. Describes me perfectly....especially since I have always liked drawing and would throw out pictures for the slightest imperfection and feel shame that I ever goofed up.

*rolling my eyes*

Well, everyone's got something to deal with.

posted February 02, 2012 02:26 PM            

You're like a sparkling gem. But your brisk no-nonsense attitude is probably what this depressed young man needs.

The chart's gone but from what I remember, Saturn oppose Pluto (resistant to change) may make his figuring out the source of his anger difficult-he may continue to stand in his own way.

But clinical depression--hmm, if it's not due to a chemical imbalance, he needs somebody to push him to get moving. I think the whole chart shows a major tendency toward immobility-so focus should be the opposite--starting w/ physical motion and staying moving. I know several people who keep depression at bay simply because they stay physically active (some of overactive) pretty much constantly. These are people who otherwise would have enormous reason to be depressed (from their charts as well as their personal lives).

posted February 03, 2012 05:05 AM            

Here's an article attesting to the necessity of physical exercise, particularly in combating depression.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201201/the-importance-self-relian ce
(self-reliance kinda relates to Mars, don't it?!)

posted February 03, 2012 12:08 PM            

I checked out the article and it's good. I'm into anything that is related to mental/emotional/psyc. health.

Hope RedScorp can find it useful for his friend.