posted February 13, 2012 10:24 AM            

My inner planets make sense to me. I identify with being a Capricorn who feels like Pisces (moon), thinks like an Aquarius (Mercury), loves like a Sagittarius (Venus), and expresses myself like a Gemini (Mars.)

But the fact that my Jupiter sign is Aries means nothing to me. Pluto in Libra...who cares?

If I think of how the outer planets aspect the personal planets, they seem relevant, but only because they affect the inner planets.

Can you feel your outer planets directly? How do you think about them?

posted February 13, 2012 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Can you feel your outer planets directly?

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posted February 14, 2012 02:42 AM            

One of the easiest ways I have heard for pinpointing Jupiter is "the part of you that feels it has a purpose".

Saturn feels like "the big hand that comes down when you have done something you consider wrong, and punishes you for messing up" it also is noticeable in "the rules you believe the world does or should abide by".

Uranus feels like "what you would do if your situation were ideal" it can also be felt in "the way you end commitments when they have forced you to make too many concessions".

Neptune feels like "when you space out or go into la la land" or "when you see someone or something being hurt and you are moved by the idea that you would hate to experience that same thing". If your Neptune is in Sag, it is also "the first month of a relationship when you feel like that person is the most amazing person ever!" LOL

posted February 14, 2012 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hello people,

My inner planets make sense to me. I identify with being a Capricorn who feels like Pisces (moon), thinks like an Aquarius (Mercury), loves like a Sagittarius (Venus), and expresses myself like a Gemini (Mars.)

But the fact that my Jupiter sign is Aries means nothing to me. Pluto in Libra...who cares?

If I think of how the outer planets aspect the personal planets, they seem relevant, but only because they affect the inner planets.

Can you feel your outer planets directly? How do you think about them?

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If outers are not in the first quadrant or not angular you probably won't feel their influences unless the make an aspect to a personal planet ie: sun, moon, mercury, venus and mars.

Well I strongly disagree, the outer planets are extremely relevant like I said earlier and make a huge influence in interpreting the natal chart aspects. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=303073

are outer planets generational or personal http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39021

Tim’s comment on Trad V modern thread http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252997&postcount=22

Hemispheres and quadrants
Just remember the compass points are ‘reversed’ http://wilsontc.stormloader.com/Step_2_Self_and_other_focus.htm#continue
The Western Hemisphere
It is the world of other people and of relationships. The native needs fellow creatures in order to reach harmony. He pays much attention, sometimes too much, to other people's views. A prominent Western hemisphere inclines towards extraversion and sociability. http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/hemispheres_quadrants1.shtml http://www.astrotheme.com/planets-distribution.php http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/hemisphereemphasis.html http://lucenaturale.com/HowAstrologyMapsToTheHemishperes.htm http://advancedmagic.myfastforum.org/archive/tropical-astrology-for-both-hemispheres__o_t__t_94.html http://www.angelfire.com/music2/alchemy/astrology/bipolarzodiac.html http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/hemispheres_quadrants1.shtml

“The Eastern Hemisphere is comprised of the first 3 and the last 3 houses�in other words, Houses 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, and 12. It is the half of the chart that is on the left. When the majority of planets are found in the Eastern hemisphere, the native is generally self-motivated, initiating, action-oriented, and self-assertive. He or she tends to believe strongly in free will.
The Western Hemisphere is comprised of Houses 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9�the right half of the chart. People with the majority of planets in the Western hemisphere tend to be other-oriented and receptive rather than self-motivated. The needs of others are considered before taking action. It is in this sense that the lives of people born with this emphasis are thought to be more in the hands of fate. However, this is not actually the case, as people with either Eastern or Western hemispheric emphasis (and those with balanced charts in this sense) essentially have the same free will potential.” http://cafeastrology.com/articles/hemisphereemphasis.html
I have found with heavy western hemi that no matter how much I push and instigate matters, I have to ‘wait for others’ to come back to me, or offer something….

Basic astrology forum discussing Saturn in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000660.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Neptune in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000661.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Uranus in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000662.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Pluto in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000663.html

posted February 14, 2012 07:42 AM            

Xiiro, I'm going to memorize your helpful comments about how the planets feel. Thank you, I really appreciate it.

I just looked up Jupiter in Aries again, trying to get a better handle on this, and one site says:

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Jupiter in Aries symbolizes high self-esteem, confidence, and leadership qualities. You're enterprising, direct, have lots of energy, enjoy philosophy or religion, and value freedom and independence. You will benefit through your travels, and use them as a means to learn and to grow.

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Definitely, to all of that! For someone who grew up shy, I am surprisingly confident about talking to anyone now. I think I could speak in front of a stadium of people without too much trouble. I'll call that feeling "Jupiter Aries."

And let's see, my Uranus sign is Scorpio...come to think of it, yes, if I could live any way I wanted, I would be more Scorpio-ish, and delve a lot deeper into occultic stuff. I'd move to Sedona and hang out with people who talk to crystals or something. And Uranus is conjunct my north node so I really should go eventually.

Pluto in Libra...does this mean that deep inside I yearn for a Libran society and Libran house?

Will think it over

posted February 14, 2012 07:53 AM            

Well now I finally know the difference between traditional and modern astrology.

I am still confused about how the planet sign and house sign and house ruler and planet ruler all fit together.

Pluto 3rd house makes sense to me, I feel that. But it's in Libra. Does that mean, when I communicate, it's like a Libra?

Thanks for the hemisphere information. I have a splash chart with equal hemispheres so I can't see anything very significant for my own readings there.

Except that I am "all over the place"

posted February 14, 2012 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Pluto in Libra...does this mean that deep inside I yearn for a Libran society and Libran house?

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Pluto often times feels like our "common sense" or the "things we feel are the essential principals to a functional life". Pluto in Libra was raised by a Pluto in Leo generation. Our parents felt it was most important to teach us independence, but faced a struggle of also wanting us around to rely on for friendship or as a psychological punching bag. Many of us were raised to be our parent's best friend or dumping ground because their deep psychological issues needed to take center stage (Pluto in Leo). As Pluto in Libra we either learned or were forced into a relationship of equality with adults, so grew up expecting equal rights among our peers as well as our mentors. Our generation was the first to finally say, "I refuse to follow social conventions if they discriminate against my individuality; you would never accept it if I were to expect that from you". We are the generation that shouted back, "That's not fair" because we were raised with equal responsibility to dealing with our parent's dramatic life experiences, treated like capable adults, and then pulled rank on when it served our parent's generation.

The rave scene sprang out of Pluto in Libra and became a place where anyone could arrive and be as creative or unique as possible without judgment. PLUR (Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect) was a common word tossed around that scene and it did well to describe the essential principals behind rave society.

Over all, Pluto in Libra instills in us an ability to see beauty and value in almost anything. We are distressed by disrespect and inequality and are rarely people who can stomach superficial interaction. We like our interactions to carry with them a value, point, or purpose and use our relationships as mirrors for identifying our negative attitudes and learning more pleasing ones. There may also be a theme of neglecting one's self vs attention to one's self. A Pluto in Libra person may demand fairness, justice, and respect for all, but can forget to nourish their own needs. In this way, this generation can bump into crisis based on ignoring the things that help them appreciate their self (example: a person may love to create art, but fill their time with more responsible tasks. The more they avoid their love of creating, the more depressed and ruined they may feel. This can even lead to getting so caught up in the ruin, they forget how replenish their self. In some people's case, following the path which makes them feel replenished leads to great success).

With you Pluto in the 3rd, I would assume you have a slight obsession with speaking beautifully or communicating in a way that is can not be misunderstood. You may attempt to use words as ways to make people feel included, supported, and validated (even if you don't personally identify with their message). I would assume civil communication would be paramount in a relationship. The person can tell you anything, as long as the do it in a civil tongue and respect the possibility that you may not agree.

posted February 14, 2012 04:21 PM            

Thank you again!

posted February 14, 2012 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
That was so good I almost cried. Like finding myself or something. Do you write an astrology blog? Because this is better than anything else I saw when I looked it up before.

Thank you again!

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posted February 15, 2012 07:11 AM            

Have you posted about your personal system of astrology here? I'm very curious, if you don't mind linking or explaining more...but if it's a secret for now, I understand.

posted February 15, 2012 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks, Saggi MC,

Well now I finally know the difference between traditional and modern astrology.

I am still confused about how the planet sign and house sign and house ruler and planet ruler all fit together.

Pluto 3rd house makes sense to me, I feel that. But it's in Libra. Does that mean, when I communicate, it's like a Libra?

Thanks for the hemisphere information. I have a splash chart with equal hemispheres so I can't see anything very significant for my own readings there.

Except that I am "all over the place"

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Pluto In Libra

"This generation is here to learn, and then teach us about a new way or form of relating in partnership. Wherever Pluto resides is the territory where we must face the problems and abuses of previous generations and then from that knowledge, create an entirely new paradigm ‘out of whole cloth.’" http://www.sherastrology.com/tag/pluto-in-libra/
to read the full article,just click on link

"The Pluto in Libra generation was between 1972 and and 1984 which is covered by the Generation X period. Pluto in Libra generation intersects the Gen X and Gen Y generations somewhat.
Libra represents the scales of justice, relationships and socially driven pursuits such as fashion. In a general sense Pluto through Libra represents the transformations in the justice system, the way traditional ideas on marriage have changed and a kind of renaissance period including the rock and roll Gothics or Punk Rock" http://astrologybykingsley.com/2008/06/01/pluto-transgenerational/

"It is considered a transpersonal planet and as such the interpretation of its movement through the signs applies to a whole generation of people and not specifically an individual. Looking at the house position that your Pluto is in will give you more detailed information on how it applies to you. The sign of Libra deals with relationships both on a personal and a global scale and whether justice is being done in these relationships. Pluto in the sign of Libra suggests that you belong to a generation concerned with global justice and transforming human relations. During the transit of Pluto through Libra this generation will have to seek justice and fairness in these areas or have it forced upon them through violence and struggle. These years saw the ending of the Vietnam war and the rise of protest movements against America getting involved in foreign conflicts. The end of this transit saw a popular worldwide movement in support of alleviating famine in Africa, possibly a first of it’s kind." http://www.myastrologycharts.com/plutoinlibra.php

Pluto in 3rd House - cadent
The need to communicate and the tendency to be secretive and silent (Pluto), is a contradiction in terms, yet the two qualities are combined in this placing. Can be dynamic communicators. Strong bond with siblings or no bond at all. Feel responsible for siblings.
Get to bottom of anything. With Pluto everything is black or white (not grey). Deep thinkers any kind of research. Fight own legal battles.Penetrating mind. Strong opinions.Original ideas, friends and partners, will help you realise them. You can keep information secret
Could have scientific ability.

cos it's your 'shop window' visible for everyone to see. Next the succeedent houses 2/8 & 5/11 the energies in these houses are not in shop window the are in the shop, but stood behind the counter, ready to come out when needed. Lastly, cadent houses 6/12 & 3/9 these houses/planets are not in shop window or stood behind the counter, they are in the back storeroom and only come out when 'triggered' or an emergency and much harder to recognise and access...

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....

“The angles of the chart are the strongest, most potent sectors. In most house systems these mark the beginnings of the first, tenth, seventh and fourth houses, in order of potency. Any planet in conjunction with an angle will have a marked influence that resonates throughout the chart and greatly colours its overall meaning. Planets located in the angles of the chart are the strongest and most significant. Because of their primary importance, the angles are often referred to as the cardinal points and they relate directly to the cardinal directions east, south, west and north.” http://www.astrologycom.com/houses.html

posted February 15, 2012 03:05 PM            

Here's saturn
http://youtu.be/q6W5n9vd_ys

Here's Neptune
http://youtu.be/8UVNT4wvIGY

Here's Uranus http://youtu.be/ImbW-p4c4gQ

posted February 15, 2012 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I have Neptune exactly conjunct my Moon and it makes me a very deep thinker (it's in the 3rd house) but conjunct my IC.

I can see past facades.

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posted February 15, 2012 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I hope I live long enough to read your book!

Have you posted about your personal system of astrology here? I'm very curious, if you don't mind linking or explaining more...but if it's a secret for now, I understand.

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posted February 15, 2012 03:32 PM            

I feel neptune to a decent degree. I am drawn to neptunian energy in others very strongly. Partly because I was raised by a very neptunian mother. I wish I were more like it, so I feel it's influence by having me drawn to those sorts of things. In a way neptunian energy is sort of "Taboo" in that I don't merge with it well, but still am fascinated by it. Drugs are the biggest example, but it's a huge no no since I have mars opposing neptune exact (doesn't stop me from experimenting from time to time though).

Uranus I feel somwhat as well. It has an exact biquintile to my sun so it shows itself mostly in my thinking style and external persona. It's very nonlinear and it stands out.

Saturn I feel less then I used to. Obviously with saturn being a resistance, I have worked through much of it's energy. The biggest influence I feel is when I get lazy and depressed, saturn will attempt to stifle my energy and drive (opposing mars). When I am doing well I can feel it's influence by telling me to keep going and not stop.

posted February 15, 2012 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Chironrising:
xiiro why don't we team up and write a book together? I have neptune conjunct sun in the eighth too we can call it mystic astrology for the practical animal.

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posted February 16, 2012 11:26 AM            

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There isn't too much deviation from the astrology systems we use today, but the dignity system is modified to include 12 planets, there is a 4 dimensional based duad system which not only considers the duad of an object, but projects the psychological direction in which it is headed. I think the biggest difference may be that I use 12 ruling planets and assign two ruling planets (classical and modern) to each sign.

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I have a looooong way to go before I understand astrology. But I love Dane Rudhyar so anything like his work, I will enjoy. When you get around to it

posted February 16, 2012 11:33 AM            

Chironrising: LOL about the songs fitting the planets!