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SparklingSag
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posted February 13, 2012 02:59 PM
  
Hey allThere is someone I am aware of who is a leo sun but was adopted so unfortuantely cannot know his full astro data). He is displaying lots of warning signs to me of an abusive man. He is on the one hand VERY charming, knows how to make someone feel good, his last relationship ended badly, he does not speak well of women but has a leo attractiveness and charm. He has also slapped his ex gf (but so hard she fell down so more like hit). Everything is someone else's fault and not his, takes no responsibility. I think he is capable of darkness... Are these signs of someone who is abusive? I am not personally involved with him, but had met him through friends over the summer and partied with him. He has gone back to his country so he is not around, but have heard he wants to come back. I just wondered if anyone else has dealt with this type of person? This doesn't have anything to do with astrology really...but he is definite leo sun. Sparkling IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted February 13, 2012 03:04 PM
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Are these signs of someone who is abusive?
YES.
Best to stay away from people who are quick to be violent with those who are smaller/weaker than them, who badmouth ex's, and who are quick to blame others for everything under the sun never assuming any responsibility ever. Leo's -like any other sign- has a shadow side. What you describe is really part of it. It may be much worse in closer association. Best to stay away.
Above all, trust your instincts. They are right. IP: Logged |
SparklingSag
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posted February 13, 2012 03:07 PM
I agree Anon, he had contacted lots of people to say he was coming back....it kinda sent a shiver down me. I had known him a bit over the summer, but he had a gf so it was innocent partying. Shadow sides, yes we all have them, but not all manifest so strongly as an angry leo male who feels embarrassed and scorned by his ex). I am quite intune lately and feel kind of scared when he comes...have a bad feeling.
So will stay away. Sparkling IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted February 13, 2012 04:38 PM
Hitting the ex-girlfriend should have landed him in a jail. That is beyond just abusive. That is violent. It has no place in relationships.Leo's have dominant personalities. My wife is a Leo. However, abusive control is a separate matter. IP: Logged |
FireWire
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posted February 13, 2012 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by SparklingSag:
I agree Anon, he had contacted lots of people to say he was coming back....it kinda sent a shiver down me. I had known him a bit over the summer, but he had a gf so it was innocent partying. Shadow sides, yes we all have them, but not all manifest so strongly as an angry leo male who feels embarrassed and scorned by his ex). I am quite intune lately and feel kind of scared when he comes...have a bad feeling.
So will stay away. Sparkling
Trust your gut Sag! Lol! I read this article once talking about how Psychic/Intuitive Sags are but we try to rationalize our intuition. The words you use are...very telling. Bad feeling. Intune...etc, not so much fear/suspicious, afraid...etc. Your intuition is talking to you, not fear. Pay attention, my friend!  quote:
Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Leo's have dominant personalities. My wife is a Leo. However, abusive control is a separate matter.
Agreed!
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RegardesPlatero
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posted February 13, 2012 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by SparklingSag:
Hey allThere is someone I am aware of who is a leo sun but was adopted so unfortuantely cannot know his full astro data). He is displaying lots of warning signs to me of an abusive man. He is on the one hand VERY charming, knows how to make someone feel good, his last relationship ended badly, he does not speak well of women but has a leo attractiveness and charm. He has also slapped his ex gf (but so hard she fell down so more like hit). Everything is someone else's fault and not his, takes no responsibility. I think he is capable of darkness... Are these signs of someone who is abusive? I am not personally involved with him, but had met him through friends over the summer and partied with him. He has gone back to his country so he is not around, but have heard he wants to come back. I just wondered if anyone else has dealt with this type of person? This doesn't have anything to do with astrology really...but he is definite leo sun. Sparkling
I knew a Leo like that. Monster. I don't have his birth time, or year, but I would say that this is an unhealthy Leo. RUN. IP: Logged |
FireWire
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posted February 13, 2012 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I knew a Leo like that. Monster. I don't have his birth time, or year, but I would say that this is an unhealthy Leo. RUN.
LOL...I wonder if I know the Leo monster you are talking about...  Hope you've been doing well RegardesPlatero! And to reemphasize--this is an unhealthy Leo yes. But moreso, an unhealthy person, who is a Leo.
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alaz7200
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posted February 13, 2012 06:39 PM
He probably has Pluto in Scorpio aspecting his Sun in Leo. Is he part of the Pluto in Scorpio generation? (1984-1995)IP: Logged |
FireWire
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posted February 13, 2012 06:44 PM
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He probably has Pluto in Scorpio aspecting his Sun in Leo. Is he part of the Pluto in Scorpio generation? (1984-1995)
Is this more about his being controlling or his being abusive?
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alaz7200
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posted February 13, 2012 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by FireWire:
Is this more about his being controlling or his being abusive?
Both. Pluto destroys what it touches with hopes of the native overcoming and rebirthing himself. I would suspect Mars would play a part in the configuration, too. Perhaps a T-Square?
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SparklingSag
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posted February 14, 2012 04:24 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by FireWire:
[B] Trust your gut Sag! Lol! I read this article once talking about how Psychic/Intuitive Sags are but we try to rationalize our intuition. The words you use are...very telling. Bad feeling. Intune...etc, not so much fear/suspicious, afraid...etc. Your intuition is talking to you, not fear. Pay attention, my friend! QUOTE] Hi Firewire I really agree with you, I can be at times super sensitive to others and their emotions and seem to soak it up, I looked at my chart and I have neptune in the 12th in saggie so that would make sense? I think he was born 1985/6 so would have pluto in scorpio, I felt lots of scorp energy in him. And this is not only astrology because there are wonderful leo men and women and I adore my leo moon. This is more about sensing abuse which was masked for a long while over the summer as there were lots of parties and social events. Anyway, it felt good to express what my gut was telling me There is no need for me to be involved or around this person but where I work is small so will bump into him for sure when he comes back but I am prepared so its ok. Sparkling IP: Logged |
Astra
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posted February 14, 2012 04:29 AM
SparklingSag (love your screen name btw),This Leo is definitely abusive. Anytime you feel something is not quite right about a person or situation, you need to immediately trust your gut. This guy needs jail time and professional help. Stay far away from this guy. Things will only end badly for you if you hang out with him again. quote:
There is no need for me to be involved or around this person but where I work is small so will bump into him for sure when he comes back but I am
I'm glad to hear that! You can certainly be cordial towards him, but keep the interaction brief so he doesn't think you want to be friends or date.
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SparklingSag
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posted February 14, 2012 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by Astra:
I'm glad to hear that! You can certainly be cordial towards him, but keep the interaction brief so he doesn't think you want to be friends or date. [/B]
Thanks Astra! yeah, I am defo a "sparkling" type of person.  I was a bit concerned that he would want to date or be good friends, so this is why I wanted to get clear on him. I can certainly be polite but that doesn't mean someone has to be in your life. I think what is scary about abusive people is that of course they are charming...how else can they get people to involve themselves? But its when the flip is switched, that it turns bad. Sparkling IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted February 14, 2012 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by FireWire:
LOL...I wonder if I know the Leo monster you are talking about... Hope you've been doing well RegardesPlatero! And to reemphasize--this is an unhealthy Leo yes. But moreso, an unhealthy person, who is a Leo.
I really hope that you don't know him...(a) that would be awkward and (b) not the nicest person in the world. As for me, yesterday was super-emotional, but, last night, after a glass or two of wine and then tea, I started to feel better about stuff that's been upsetting me. I've come to the realization that it really does work out well for things to be as they are and I feel like God is looking after me/like things are going to be OK. They might not work out like I thought that I had wanted them to, but, as I think more about it, I honestly feel that how they did work out is better for myself, my well-being, and my life. So, I'm feeling much better than yesterday. Plus, I vented a bit about things, and let myself cry/be upset/let that out, and that honestly made me feel better. So, thanks :-). IP: Logged |
SaggiMC
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posted February 14, 2012 08:19 AM
Leo's make very good leaders, actors and *drama queens* enjoy been centre of attention and can be arrogant. Very sociable extrovert signs, good at organising people...Discussing traits of a generic leo sign, is pointless, if you have his DOB you can post a chart using 12noon and mentioning you don't have a correct time. You may only have half the story but some story is better than none. Just remember planets are modified by signs, where they express are houses and how they expres are *aspects* now, as for bad temper, look at mars in hard aspect to uranus or pluto. Basic astrology
Now basically your sun sign is your 'core beliefs, values, ego' and Asc is your physical body, mode of expression and mask and persona that we all wear and hide behind, but definitely not what's going on underneath. What's going on underneath is your Sun sign. Moon sign, house placements and aspects describe your emotional and intuitive responses, also describes your view of your mother, as saturn describes your father by sign and house position.
So, think of a glass milk bottle the bottle is your Asc and your sun the milk, but the milk still has to 'come out' through the glass neck of the milk bottle.... Now aspects within a natal chart represent 'facets' of our personality, because we are all multifaceted beings. What these do is 'break down and compartmentalise' these facets into smaller bite size chunks. This does take quite a lot of self analysis and objectivity to 'see yourself' and why you do certain things and behave in certain ways. Actually it can be quite good therapy... Remember back to your school days an opposition is 180', square 90', trine 120', and sextile 60' Now challenged aspects are conj (depending on the planets, cos some like each other and some really don't) squares and oppositions. Easy aspects are conj (if the planets get along) eg: Jupiter conj Moon, sextile and trine. Quincunx is inbetween (depending on the planets) causes health strains and unresolved or hard to balance planets/energies. Basic astrology forum, Learn the basics, Free courses + House systems. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000671.html
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hannaramaa
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posted February 14, 2012 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by SparklingSag:
Are these signs of someone who is abusive? I am not personally involved with him, but had met him through friends over the summer and partied with him. He has gone back to his country so he is not around, but have heard he wants to come back. I just wondered if anyone else has dealt with this type of person? This doesn't have anything to do with astrology really...but he is definite leo sun. Sparkling
"He does abusive things like this this and this, but gee... does that make him abusive?" ....forreal? IP: Logged |
the89freespirit
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posted February 14, 2012 09:18 AM
Yes, this is not so much about astrology than about someone with serious problems. I am a male with Leo Sun square Pluto and I'd never physically assault a girlfriend. It can be an intense aspect and can invoke violent behavior if not expressed. But, still, that's all a matter of personal choice. This person is an abuser, plain and simple. ------------------
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DayandNight21
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posted February 14, 2012 03:42 PM
I know quite a few Leos of different ages and generations. The 2 I know of the pluto in scorp generation give off an intense vibe (naturally) that the other generations don't give off. Although we shouldn't generalise I do tend to like Leo suns in general and work with a sun in leo pluto in libra woman who is very extrovert, warm and showy, which I like a lot as it means I get some private time. Another Leo,a woman sun in leo square pluto in scorpio I cannot stand, she has mars square pluto as well so has a very bad temper. That also could be due to the fact that her chart is nearly all water earth and mine is nearly all fire air so we really operate on different wavelengths but I find her extremely arrogant, pushy compared to the others I know her age. The male sun in leo pluto in scorp I love and he seems strained at times (probably the square) but never loses his temper verbally and as for the physical he would never lose his temper (as I have known him many years and he has never lost his self control). He is loyal, ambitious and really warm hearted. Talking about control, everybody wants to rule the world is a song that comes to mind. Show me someone who doesn't want control in some shape or form. IP: Logged |
SparklingSag
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posted February 14, 2012 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
"He does abusive things like this this and this, but gee... does that make him abusive?"....forreal?
Yes. For real. Not all people can spot abuse straight away. One my friends best friends from her country had to flee with her child from an abusive man who had similar traits to the one I have described. It is important to learn to recognise the signs of this kind of person and that's all I was doing with my original post. Sparkling IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted February 14, 2012 04:00 PM
I will discuss my Leo wife. This may not apply to all Leos.My wife has a strong, dominant personality and she is decisive, ultra forthright, in-your-face and she just tells it like it is. She is very loving but also has an explosive temper. You will know when she's angry. I think the whole world would know if she's angry. I am equally domineering and I too have a slow stewing but nevertheless hot temper. The two of us love each other to death and gladly yield to each other. Having said that, abusive control and mental manipulation are entirely different kettle of fish. Hitting anybody is totally unacceptable and inexcusable. Telling others what to think and what to believe is mental domination and goes beyond abuse. IP: Logged |
BeholdAstarte
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posted February 15, 2012 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by SparklingSag:
Hey allThere is someone I am aware of who is a leo sun but was adopted so unfortuantely cannot know his full astro data). He is displaying lots of warning signs to me of an abusive man. He is on the one hand VERY charming, knows how to make someone feel good, his last relationship ended badly, he does not speak well of women but has a leo attractiveness and charm. He has also slapped his ex gf (but so hard she fell down so more like hit). Everything is someone else's fault and not his, takes no responsibility. I think he is capable of darkness... Are these signs of someone who is abusive? I am not personally involved with him, but had met him through friends over the summer and partied with him. He has gone back to his country so he is not around, but have heard he wants to come back. I just wondered if anyone else has dealt with this type of person? This doesn't have anything to do with astrology really...but he is definite leo sun. Sparkling
i know a leo man who got very agressive with his girlfriend as well. he was drunk, which contributed to it mainly, but he choked her and slaped her so hard in the face that it busted her lip. i dont know if this contributes to anything... but ive met quit a bit of fixed sign males who were very VERY abusive in relationships. or fixed sign placements too. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted February 16, 2012 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by SparklingSag:
Yes.For real. Not all people can spot abuse straight away. One my friends best friends from her country had to flee with her child from an abusive man who had similar traits to the one I have described. It is important to learn to recognise the signs of this kind of person and that's all I was doing with my original post. Sparkling
No, not all people can spot abuse straight away but one would assume any form of violence is abusive regardless if he's charming. It's just fact. Nobody is going to say "Well, he only hit her once so I wouldn't call him abusive." Otherwise Chris Brown would still have fans. IP: Logged |
Sunia
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posted February 16, 2012 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by alaz7200:
He probably has Pluto in Scorpio aspecting his Sun in Leo. Is he part of the Pluto in Scorpio generation? (1984-1995)
I have Sun in Leo and a couple more planets in Leo (including Mars) squaring Pluto, Saturn and ASC in Scorpio and I am not abusive with my boyfriend or anyone... Actually I never got physical with anyone... But if I ever need to get physical to DEFEND myself or someone I love, I won't think twice. I am sure he has other harsh aspects than only Pluto in Scorpio.
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Betty Boop
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posted February 16, 2012 02:56 AM
Which country is he from? IP: Logged |
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posted February 16, 2012 05:23 AM
^ if it's the one I'm from, his behavior would be common. I've actually never even heard anyone in my homeland use the word "abuse." Even though it is woven into the educational system as a tool to keep students under control.Gotta love good ol' American hubris...and the American way...I mean, just look at those school shootings. IP: Logged |
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