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Synchronicity2717
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posted February 18, 2012 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Synchronicity2717     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'll add more details about her if necessary because I am new here and don't know the rules.

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posted February 18, 2012 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hm, looks like it could be from her Sun square Neptune. Ya know, being off in your own little world, living in fantasy land almost 24/7, and drugs.

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posted February 18, 2012 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
heeey im a libra asc with scorp moon conj plut with sag mars.... lol except im a capricorn sun and the other planets are different. I pretty much was obsessed with some guy once and was delusional thinking he'd like me and someday we'd be together, this went on for like 6 years... i just noticed those weird similarities. o_o
If yu wanna help her then she should perhaps go see a psychiatrist. Sounds like borderline personality disorder. Not that im a doctor! I just watched girl interrupted and the girl had sex with people she didnt care about and was suicidal.
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posted February 18, 2012 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mermaid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think her behaviour could be due to Mars conjunct Neptune.

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posted February 18, 2012 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She's born around my DOB and Lady Gaga's! I have the Mars/Neptune conjunction much closer (both in Capricorn).
Hers is kind of wide and out of sign so I'm not sure... But her Sun/Neptune square is *very* close. Maybe she does not have a very realistic perspective on men in general.

She also has Scorpio Moon conjunct her SN.. This is a karmic thing for her. Scorpio signifies intense love and upheaval. I've also had a really intense relationship when I was young (my first love) that was completely insane.
But I'm so beyond this I couldn't catch a bus back.

When you have these Nodes (Scorpio-Taurus) - mainly if they are conjunct personal planets... there has to be a progression from that kind of Scorpionic intensity to a much calmer Taurean lifestyle and version of *love*.
She has to learn to be more practical/earthy - rather than emotional. Having a Scorpio SN - when you lose yourself in an emotional world - it attracts karmic 'slaps'. Committing suicide in the name of love is the worst thing she could do, because this kind of behaviour represents *Scorpio*... She will simply reincarnate and be back again and again with the same Nodes - until she is able to practice that unbreakable Taurean calm & inner balance.
You should explain this to her - from an astrological perspective. Having Pisces Merc (like myself) I think she'll understand this and you will be able to reason with her.

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Synchronicity2717
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posted February 18, 2012 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Synchronicity2717     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her mars is in Sagittarius but in 29 degrees.

I will explain this about the nodes thank you and everyone who has answered so far.

Does her pluto also conjunct her south node in 1st house? does this mean she could get her death wish or would this bring hopes of transformation.

Sorry if I sound dumb in my questions but I am a total novice in astrology.

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posted February 19, 2012 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by L0veLess:
heeey im a libra asc with scorp moon conj plut with sag mars.... lol except im a capricorn sun and the other planets are different. I pretty much was obsessed with some guy once and was delusional thinking he'd like me and someday we'd be together, this went on for like 6 years... i just noticed those weird similarities. o_o
If yu wanna help her then she should perhaps go see a psychiatrist. Sounds like borderline personality disorder. Not that im a doctor! I just watched girl interrupted and the girl had sex with people she didnt care about and was suicidal.

Her Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio was the first thing that I noticed. When she likes someone her emotions are strong and hard to separate them; infatuation crosses the line of obsession. Venus in Aries, she comes on strong. Maybe the guy she liked was tired of being chased. I thought that with Venus trine Uranus she would be more free when it comes to matters of the heart, but maybe with Moon-Pluto in Scorpio there's too much intensity for Venus-Uranus to let go and quickly move on. Add the fact that they're in her first house, when she meets someone being able to merge is very important. It's not dangerous for the object of her affection because she doesn't have the fatal attraction aspect of Venus-Pluto. So, she can be her own victim rather than taking her pain out on someone else. Her Sun squares Neptune, so it's easy to see something different from reality and live in a world of her own creation.

I agree with Loveless. She should see a psychiatrist because if she doesn't learn how to channel her emotions things can only become worse.

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Synchronicity2717
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posted February 19, 2012 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Synchronicity2717     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Do you think they could have some strange karma could explain the attachment to the image him?

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posted February 19, 2012 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mermaid:
I think her behaviour could be due to Mars conjunct Neptune.

well done, I agree

mars conj Neptune
“This conjunction can pose several difficulties: in choice of actions, where you may struggle to establish what your real aims are; in making that final decision to attempt to achieve them, and in ensuring that sufficient and persistent effort is then made to guarantee success. An unintegrated Neptune can dissolve that focused will, making decisive clarity difficult to maintain. Additionally, you tend to avoid accepting the consequences of your choices, and there can be a refusal to acknowledge responsibility when such actions lead to failure or negative results.” http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_PARALLEL% 2C_CONJUNCTION%2C_SQUARE_OR_OPPOSITION_TO_MARS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11521

Synchronicity2717
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also moon opp venus albeit wide orb, can present problems insomuch as whoever fulfills them emotionally, the don't see to be attracted to and vice versa.

Houses: angular houses 1/7 4/10 the energies of planets placed here are obvious cos it's your 'shop window' visible for everyone to see. Next the succeedent houses 2/8 & 5/11 the energies in these houses are not in shop window the are in the shop, but stood behind the counter, ready to come out when needed. Lastly, cadent houses 6/12 & 3/9 these houses/planets are not in shop window or stood behind the counter, they are in the back storeroom and only come out when 'triggered' or an emergency and much harder to recognise and access...

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....So remember you may find it harder to identify with planets and Saturn in this case in Cadent houses….

Next, her Neptune is a singleton and saturn in the house of self esteem and values.

Saturn in the 2nd house
There can be gain through inheritance. This person does not gain inward peace unless he has learned to share what he has with others. Real estate or anything to do with land is a good investment. There is a need to re-evaluate personal beliefs, values and attitudes and find a more stable basis from which to operate.Too much materialism and possessiveness can be present. There may be a fear of poverty, as a result these people are careful with money. But excessive caution or meanness can lead to lost financial opportunities. Any purchase must be of practical use and value for money.

As my Neptune singleton to ,will comment as follows---
now my neptune (0' critical degree) is 9th conj 10th cusp (not MC) in Equal house system. I feel (singletons) suggests this planet has 'more importance' and acts bit like the handle on a bucket chart or funnel for other energies. I have Neptune in Scorpio conj 10th house cusp opp sun/moon and as we know scorpio always wants deep and meaningful and is great for research, digging and delving into 'spiritual matters' (in my case) and working with spirit but always wanting more, or wanting things quicker(communications,symbols,messages), but never getting it, which has been a major frustration disillusionment -- typical Neptune rose tinted glasses.

We all think we can do better and push for better, but when the control (scorpio) is not in our hands ie: others then my theory/idea is 'serve or suffer' give in without reservation and accept you cannot limit, change or expect how others (spirit) want to or will work with me. Hope this makes sense

So think of the sign Scorpio - how this modifies Neptune, where is house (mine was 9th house of religion higher learning) and aspects is how neptune functions as in my case opposition to sun and moon, trine mars and generational square to Uranus. My Neptune opp sun/moon are also parts of *cradle* configuration

"When Neptune is a singleton (or angular, highly aspected, or at a critical degree, 29 or 0), there is a likelihood that the person will have an extraordinary degree of sensitivity. They may be so highly intuitive that they believe they have “psychic powers.” The sensitivity operates on all levels. In the physical, it can correlate with such maladies as “environmental sensitivity,” allergies of all kinds as well as a variety of autoimmune diseases. Narcolepsy (a sleep disorder), and vision problems are Neptunian afflictions. On the mental/emotional level, a person may be sensitive to “higher realms,” and experience mystical inspiration or insane delusions." http://www.astrologyclub.org/

I would add this neptune singleton has/is a major background but nonetheless important matter for ME. It's not a driving force per se like my chart ruler uranus. As uranus 7th Angular is conj Sun/moon midpoint(therefore square both luminaries) but also pof 1st and chiron both Aquarius first house..... now this I strongly identify with....

I have mine in 9th the house of in-laws. I always wanted a close loving family (as mine was quite dysfunctional really) and loved that both my husbands seemed to have this, BUT after we married they both pulled away from family to focus on me/or the relationship. Also the house of 'higher education' I regret I never got the same opportunites my two brothers were given, as it was considered (in those days) more important to educate males than females, as they would be 'breadwinners' whereas girls/females would marry and simply have children....

I also have been (past tense) confused around religion, I attended strict methodish church as a child, married in Anglican church, my sons were brought up 'junior soldiers' in salvation army, I'm a member of a Christian Spiritualist church a, psychic, medium and lots others..... but won't go on and on, but you get the gist....

also for a further link, look which house pisces is ruling and use this site to make the links http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...rulerships.htm


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SaggiMC
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posted February 19, 2012 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tend to reduce the orbs down on astro to 85% to bring in line with mainstream views...

So mercury conj jupiter at 10' I would discount, same with mercury square saturn at 9' approaching

She also has sun quincunx pluto
sun quincunx pluto
“can suffer from constant unrest and tension without knowing why. Often gives enormous ambition and a desire to remain viable at all costs. Driven by uncertainty, you may seem incapable of sparing yourself. Because of the insecurity you could be fiercely defensive of others but with typical plutonian lust for power, can (on occasion) enjoy manipulating them to. You will have a desire to grow through confrontations....”
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

Sun Quincunx Pluto
You are forced to focus, time and again, on details that you would prefer to ignore. When life slows down or becomes uncomfortable, simplify and be patient. You are changing and growing in ways that you can scarcely perceive. Stay involved in your everyday routines and only force a change on yourself when you feel stuck in some repetitive pattern. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

Sometimes these quincunxs (aka Inconjuncts 150’) are obvious and recognised in personality, other times it can take a lot of self examination to identify with the planets energies and of course they (like all aspects) don't operate 100% of the time, they are simply a facet of your personality. Some say they cause health issues that are unresolved, underlying, dormant waiting to be triggered.... some say you stay at one end, to the detriment of the other, OR end up see-sawing between the two until you learn balance, integration of two unlikely pairings.

Next look at the signs, then houses and then aspects. Now the *others aspects* from these quincunxs/Yods as they can act like escape routes, that can help or hinder the expressions. A chart with lots of Yods (Finger of God) will always be *searching* for the divine answers to the meaning of life, to find synthesis
What tends to happen with quincunxs is that with progessions and transits will create temporary Yods aka 'Finger of god' configurations. Like with common TSquares, they create a temp Grand Square...

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I love the parable, “If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, BUT if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for life.”

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posted February 19, 2012 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just a little tip for photobucket, if you select the image and look underneath click on IMG and then paste into your thread, that way the image will show rather than the link

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Synchronicity2717
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posted February 19, 2012 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Synchronicity2717     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much saggimc for answering. That's alot of info some I don't understand that well but interesting nonetheless.
I will have to re-read it a few times lol.

Thanks everyone.

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posted February 20, 2012 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DayandNight21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the time of birth is correct then she can be easily affected by the actions of those around her as most planets are below the horizon.

Planets below the horizon are supposed to be more focused on inner or private matters whilst those above the horizon are supposed to be more focused on worldly matters this is what I have read somewhere about hemisphere emphasis. Subjective below and objective above, don't know if it is true in reality though.

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posted February 20, 2012 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DayandNight21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the time of birth is correct then she can be easily affected by the actions of those around her as most planets are below the horizon.

Planets below the horizon are supposed to be more focused on inner or private matters whilst those above the horizon are supposed to be more focused on worldly matters this is what I have read somewhere about hemisphere emphasis. Subjective below and objective above, don't know if it is true in reality though.

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posted February 21, 2012 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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She also has Scorpio Moon conjunct her SN.. This is a karmic thing for her. Scorpio signifies intense love and upheaval. I've also had a really intense relationship when I was young (my first love) that was completely insane.

Right! And the guy's Venus and Pluto are right near her south node.

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posted February 21, 2012 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DayandNight21:
If the time of birth is correct then she can be easily affected by the actions of those around her as most planets are below the horizon.

Planets below the horizon are supposed to be more focused on inner or private matters whilst those above the horizon are supposed to be more focused on worldly matters this is what I have read somewhere about hemisphere emphasis. Subjective below and objective above, don't know if it is true in reality though.


yes, you are correct, well done..

Hemispheres and quadrants
Just remember the compass points are ‘reversed’ http://wilsontc.stormloader.com/Step_2_Self_and_other_focus.htm#continue

The Western Hemisphere
It is the world of other people and of relationships. The native needs fellow creatures in order to reach harmony. He pays much attention, sometimes too much, to other people's views. A prominent Western hemisphere inclines towards extraversion and sociability. http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/hemispheres_quadrants1.shtml http://www.astrotheme.com/planets-distribution.php http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/hemisphereemphasis.html http://lucenaturale.com/HowAstrologyMapsToTheHemishperes.htm http://advancedmagic.myfastforum.org/archive/tropical-astrology-for-both-h emispheres__o_t__t_94.html http://www.angelfire.com/music2/alchemy/astrology/bipolarzodiac.html http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/hemispheres_quadrants1.shtml

“The Eastern Hemisphere is comprised of the first 3 and the last 3 houses�in other words, Houses 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, and 12. It is the half of the chart that is on the left. When the majority of planets are found in the Eastern hemisphere, the native is generally self-motivated, initiating, action-oriented, and self-assertive. He or she tends to believe strongly in free will.

The Western Hemisphere is comprised of Houses 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9�the right half of the chart. People with the majority of planets in the Western hemisphere tend to be other-oriented and receptive rather than self-motivated. The needs of others are considered before taking action. It is in this sense that the lives of people born with this emphasis are thought to be more in the hands of fate. However, this is not actually the case, as people with either Eastern or Western hemispheric emphasis (and those with balanced charts in this sense) essentially have the same free will potential.” http://cafeastrology.com/articles/hemisphereemphasis.html

I have found with heavy western hemi that no matter how much I push and instigate matters, I have to ‘wait for others’ to come back to me, or offer something….

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posted February 21, 2012 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Synchronicity2717:
Thank you so much saggimc for answering. That's alot of info some I don't understand that well but interesting nonetheless.
I will have to re-read it a few times lol.

Thanks everyone.


this may well be moved to PR forum, so don't worry... Can I suggest you post a syn bi wheel pls?

Basic astrology forum, How to approach Synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000667.html
To enter this forum you need an extra password – (astrology)

Please remember to reduce the orb ratio down to 40% (ONLY for synastry bi wheel) as the max orb between planets is 3'. Composite should be 85% orbs

when you get this SYNASTRY chart, please also post the *pdf file*, above left of chart look for *view additional tables (PDF)* This will bring up 2pages. Scroll down to last page for the *aspect grid* THIS is very important as it seems to show more aspects than is visible on the bi wheel…

problem is uploading to photobucket (or imageshack) you have to change this from Aabode format into a picture/jpeg format. This is done by getting the relevant page/grid in front of you on screen then, the press ‘prtsc sysrq’ - top row inbetween pause break and F12. This has been copied to clipboard.

Paste into Paint or some other photo software. Crop the picture and save to hard drive, then upload to photobucket, select chart, press IMG and past link into thread.... all done

Lastly, by making the effort to post the correct charts AND aspect grid will ensure that you are serious in your enquiry and will guarantee (from me at least) a serious response……if you are simply here to get a freebie or are just curious but can’t be bothered to make the effort to post the correct charts then I won’t bother making an effort to delineate them. In this case I will simply refer to a website that offers Free interactive models (like astro.com, astrology3d.com and grupovenus.com) for your amusement…

This forum (as all forums) are unpaid, free help and advice from lots of professionals (like myself) and enthusiastic amateurs, who do this for the ‘love of astrology’ and genuinely want members to learn about themselves and partners through this ‘science and art’ we call astrology……

OR try this convert image from Abode format to Jpeg to upload to photobucket, using this free software conversion site..
http://www.pdf-to-jpg.org/


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If there is something you really don't understand, please feel free to ask. that's what I'm here for

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