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Chironrising
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posted February 20, 2012 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chironrising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is Pluto the planet responsible that makes two people just want to merge into each other and lay on each other all day and vanish into oblivion?

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posted February 20, 2012 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It could be, but I don't think it's the only thing that could drive such a feeling and desire between two individuals.

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posted February 20, 2012 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chironrising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe it's pluto in an indirect way, like when we overcome our generational influences we are freed to merge?

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posted February 20, 2012 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chironrising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
It could be, but I don't think it's the only thing that could drive such a feeling and desire between two individuals.


I demand to know why you're up so late?

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posted February 20, 2012 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chironrising:
I demand to know why you're up so late?

It's only 10:30 where I live. I still have another 90 minutes or so before I need to go to sleep.

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posted February 20, 2012 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes....pluto gives everything depth and meaning and is often the cause behind love at first sight. Most of the time with pluto, people feel strong intimacy right from the beginning, and this intimacy is a mixture of extreme chemistry and ability to make each other laugh and feel more profoundly/be inspired by each other, a general physical chemistry and shared sense of rhythm, amazing eye contact, and uncontrollable sexual attraction because of the soul union you feel that you share. Search on this forum for how many people have gushed about pluto. I think the only way you could feel like you cant live without someone is if you have some pluto going on with them.

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posted February 20, 2012 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is all I wanna do all day everyday. Pluto is on my asc exact..

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posted February 20, 2012 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for curiouswoman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have sun square pluto with a man i adore he is pluto. i can't even put words on how i feel about him i know the sucker loves me the same but likes to play with my head.

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posted February 20, 2012 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chironrising:
Is Pluto the planet responsible that makes two people just want to merge into each other and lay on each other all day and vanish into oblivion?

What you are describing sounds a lot like Neptune to me. Neptune dissolves boundaries and unifies objects. Pluto feels more poignant in my experience. Where Neptune just wants to "stop the world and melt with you" (or more realistically, dissolve all the perceptions which make us believe we are separate), Pluto want's to find the good remaining bits, once all the LAWS are dissolved into flimsy illusions, and refine the Neptunian byproduct into fossil fuel to Maek Moar Powar! Fossil fuel is a really great metaphor for Neptune/Pluto, because it is the Neptunian stage which digests all those organisms into black ooze. But the Plutonian finished product is a concentrated liquid result of consumed sunlight. Photosynthesis by plants, then animals who ate those plants, and animals who ate those animals.... millions of years of consumption by countless organisms, living out the gripping and important dramas in their lives, and what it amounts to is liquid sunlight. When that liquid sunlight is refined and burned, it powers our lives in a hidden way (we don't see gas burning inside our car, or even feel its heat. We just know that it is essential for animating the car).

Pluto does have an element which seeks closeness, but I tend to identify that element as more constructive, realistic, and investigatory (perhaps interrogatory depending on the placement) rather than romantic. The magnetism that draws People's Plutos into the driver's seat seems to be more based on discovering what makes things tick and applying that discovery toward butterfly-style; dynamic; whole-life transformation (for both relationships and personal transfiguration).

Jeffery Wolf Green wrote some pretty great books about Pluto a while back, "Pluto (The Evolutionary Journey of The Soul)" and "Pluto 2 (The Soul's Evolution Through Relationships)". The latter is about how Pluto uses Venus and Mars as facilitators for its metamorphosis process. Essentially if by "merge into each other and lay on each other all day and vanish into oblivion" you are describing a romantic or unconditional love energy, I would say Pluto would be more inclined to send an asteroid hurling at your house, that way you could melt into oblivion with lots of people =D

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posted February 20, 2012 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow well said Xiiro! I did read Neptune also..

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posted February 20, 2012 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've experienced both the double whammy Sun-neptune aspects in synastry and the double whammy sun-pluto aspects. Actually, with the sun-neptune guy, I just felt very sympathetic about him and I felt he was beautiful and ideal and totally innocent---like an angel. Lol. I was willing to make many sacrifices just to see him smile. But it was also pretty nonsexual. I didnt want to "taint" the relationship by making it sexual or even by touching him! That is a common theme with neptune, that feeling that you are going to taint things by making it sexual which is why all these websites say it's better for a platonic relationship, and the sacrificial martyr savior theme is in all these websites too. I felt connected to his spirit but i didnt want to involve the body and taint the innocence and purity of the connection. I also didnt particularly want to "melt into" him...I just felt very sweetly and mushily romantic about him and very sympathetic. Now it was powerful...and very very beautiful. I felt very loved....but what i'm saying is i didnt feel that urge to merge with him like i do with the pluto peeps. It's not the same.

Now, the sun-pluto guy was a different story. So was the double whammy venus-pluto guy. I wanted to merge with them definitely in more ways than one and to just be as "one" with them as possible. I didnt care what i did or didnt taint, all i was concerned with is that i had to have them and that just touching them would feel like heaven. I wanted to hug them for at least an hour and "merge" Haha. I've experienced that feeling chironrising is talking about tons of times too with composite sun square pluto and venus trine or square pluto. So, I disagree with xiiro.

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posted February 20, 2012 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sand:
That is all I wanna do all day everyday. Pluto is on my asc exact..

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posted February 20, 2012 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is exactly the way you describe it, RAS, from my experience as well. Neptune is dissolution of boundaries which is a somewhat passive state in comparison to the active urge to merge that goes with Pluto synastry.

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posted February 20, 2012 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xiiro, your posts make such wonderful reads!!
I agree with RunAroundScreaming, this has been my experience also. Neptune love is ethereal and pure, while Pluto feels as someone trying to crawl inside your skin.

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posted February 20, 2012 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thumbs up to both maira and anongrl. Very well said !

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posted February 20, 2012 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From the beginning of the 19th century to the 2030's Neptune and Pluto have been steadily forming sextiles to each other. There is almost a guarantee that anyone posting on LL today will experience Pluto's or Neptune's energy as a tandem experience (I have Neptune sextile Pluto, by 1 degree in my own chart).

The OP does most definitely have a Plutonian/Neptunian essence (makes two people just want to merge into each other), but the way "merging" is achieved and even the resulting goal are Neptunian (lay on each other all day and vanish into oblivion). The word "Hades" translates to "the unseen" and the word "Pluto" translates to "wealth", which indicates that Pluto's energy is about discovering wealth in unseen places and events. when Neptune's energy is removed from the equation, the gentleness of romantic exploration is removed. What is left is an energy which seeks to cut your skin off in the hopes of finding out who is living inside. The Plutonian aspect of romance identifies an unseen wealth within others and seeks to share that wealth (often times through sexual exchange or the general shoving of parts inside other people's parts in the hopes of wearing them like a sleeping bag). I agree with RAS that the sexual angst is Pluto's energy, but without the Neptune the soft, romantic, appreciative, and yummyness feelings all fall away. Pluto can just as effectively locate your guts with his fist as he can with his tongue. The energy runs you through, regardless of what material the sword is made of (sorry gross). This is not to say that Pluto is inherently violent, it can be quite gentle when we make an effort to pay attention to it. Pluto simply doesn't have a pain gauge, it applies pressure until it's subject gives up. Pluto does not trifle with human concepts like pleasure, it focuses on what conditions produce the greatest exposure of the deepest wealth (sometimes that's pleasure and it results in the passing of genetic wealth, and sometimes it is pain which can result in spiritual wealth...or physical death).

Having a well aspected Neptune in my 8th house, I find the depth of others spiritually sacred. I also see sex is a perfectly decent method for dissolving barriers to get to those depths. What I find within others as a result of the Neptune, is a well cherished treasure which changes me (Pluto). Falling into a martyr or ascetic role is not characteristic of Neptune across the board, it is indicative of wonky aspects, placements, or synastry. The same goes for experiences which are loaded with delusion. Like the ocean, Neptune presents a dancing breathing image on it's surface, but the purpose of the image is to tempt you into diving in. Once you jump, the image vanishes and what remains in the water is the actual "you" (the pain in the a$$ swim back to shore is Pluto's department). Obsession with images is not the whole of Neptune's mechanism, the purpose is not only to present us with our illusions, but to make them appealing so we will not be afraid to explore and eventually discredit, defuse, and dissolve them.

The below quote comes from here: http://www.astrotheme.com/files/neptune_inspiration_and_illusion.php

"In the sexual and romantic areas, Neptune is less typified than Uranus who is completely dry and intellectual. Neptune embraces more than he provokes, and it is always through indirect means that he exerts his influence. He creates a misty atmosphere in the area where he is posited in the natal chart, for good or bad reasons. Thus, the person may be carried away by a passionate romance in which sex and feelings are tightly entangled, as well as by a love story which exists only in his imagination."

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posted February 21, 2012 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chironrising:
Is Pluto the planet responsible that makes two people just want to merge into each other and lay on each other all day and vanish into oblivion?

Not really, pluto is about control, domination, manipulation. Plus it all depends on how two peoples charts make aspects to each other. I can think of far better aspects and easy empathy links than bringing pluto into matters..

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Basic astrology forum, How to approach Synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000667.html
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posted February 22, 2012 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chironrising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for the responses...I've read them all and it's so hard to respond but they are so well written it's unbelievable. I say we turn the lead here (the idea that it's transient and unpublished) and form a writers coop where profits are split according to a method of allocation that takes into consideration services in the form of stock...would anyone be interested in exchanging services for stock in a publishing house type corp where we focus on metaphysics?

I've been thinking about this for some time, I could put this into action over the next couple years...

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posted February 22, 2012 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chironrising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When pluto transited my seventh house I ended up dating someone and losing my life's work in a legal battle...so I know about pluto ripping out your bowls and throwing it to the dogs...and the relationship was purely vain.

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posted February 22, 2012 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol i would be interested

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mir
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posted February 22, 2012 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately I miss my creative 'pen' when writing in another language than my own (always in translation-mood here) but I hope your idea gains some ground Chiron

Xiiro again GREAT!

Yea I may know it as I went through and through an EXACT Sun/Pluto square in synastry (heavily aspected natally and also both Sun-rulers which made it even more important) for years and still 'alive' ... gosh!!


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