posted February 25, 2012 09:32 AM            

This seems to be an omnipresent question. It may be said or left, unsaid. The song by Maria Mena, “Just Hold Me”, seems to haunt all of us, but the 12th House Planet natives know it, deeply. Others may feel raw and amorphous, but the 12th House person swims in it, struggling not to go under into the depths, to the bottom of the sea, as did Sedna. The 12th House experience is very different than any other. They are the demi aliens living among us. They are the poets and the artists. If they do not write and sing from their pain, they have special gifts with which to use their sensitivity. They can go into a hospice and hold the hand of a dying patient. They know the next dimension.If Mother Teresa was not a 12th House person, her work was.

To define the problem is fine, but that slithers around the answer. What is one to do? The first step seems to truly acknowledge your 12th House Planets:to study them in depth. Know who you are, as you cannot run. They are part of you. Only a Higher Authority knows why some charts are harder than others. That answer is unknowable.However, God has given us our personal maps:the astrological charts. Hence, for the 12th House person, he must understand who he is. He must try not to be ashamed of how he is different. He cannot bear an itchy sweater, while another sign could wear it all day. Hence, the first step is to stop trying to be like others: non 12th House people.
Then, one must find someone to whom one can tell the pain, as there will be valleys of sorrow. I don’t know how the sorrow came. It came differently for different people, but the 12th House person carries it. He may seem as if he does not. He may smile or swagger, but it is there. A sensitive person can pick it up. The 12th House person is holding a wound, just as real as a solider holding a war wound, trying to constrict it so as to stop the bleeding.The 12th House person feels set apart from others, by the pain. The hardest part of all this is finding a person who can bear the pain with you, and not try to fix. You know all the fix’s. You have tried them all, to no avail. That is part of the omnipresent hopelessness which is part of the existence for a 12th House person.

The 12th House person tends to depression. Much of this is the internal isolation. Finding a person who will help you bear your sorrow will help. The hardest part for the other person is to resist the urge to fix, mitigate or make better in any way.It cannot be made better.It can only be released. That is the best way another person can help. They need to shut their mouths and let you cry. It sounds so easy, but few people can do it. You may be surprised, but it is true. Alice Miller brought the concept of the Enlightened Witness to the fore. Actually, if society was not so isolated, the EW may have been an aunt or a grandparent, in days past, when the family was closer. Now, intimacy is rare. Intimacy is one of the cures for 12th House planets. However, intimacy is a problem on it’s own, as the native has to be vulnerable. How can one be vulnerable when there is so much pain that the touch of another may be like fire? This is the conundrum.

God takes relationships very seriously, as He made Adam so He, Himself, would have a friend. As complete as God was, He wanted someone with whom to share. That is an amazing concept, but highlights the importance of relationships. As flawed as we are, there is nothing as special as someone seeing you. Intimacy is “In-To-Me-See”. How hard it is for us to, even, see ourselves, let alone show oneself to another. The 12th House person has more miles to go in the process of seeing himself, as it is harder for him. He wants to run away. He may get into addictions, as addictions are pain killers. The addictions may take him down. They may take him to the bottom of himself, or the bottom of life, itself, into death. The 12th House person cannot escape himself. Others have tried. I have more to say on this subject, but will take a break, as the last thing I want to do is give platitudes on a subject which has had platitudes thrown at it until it wants to vomit.

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posted February 25, 2012 10:03 AM              

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The 12th House person tends to depression

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why would depression be signified by 12th house planets?

Saturn conj Neptune http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_CONJUNCTION_OR_PARALLEL_TO_SATURN

Saturn conj/square/opposite neptune can show a fear of the unknown..although these are generational planets, posited in bottom left quadrant makes them felt internally...It can also be linked to depression when triggered and/or having your childhood dreams crushed by father, males and/or authority figures.

depression can be 'set off' by transit of saturn to natal neptune and vice versa. But also there can be a natal leaning towards, but I must admit I've never heard that 12th house might be responsible....

on my short time here on LL I have seen numurous threads on this type of topic from yourself, almost as if 'obsessed' so maybe you do have something in 12th to account for this, which would negate the new/recent chart

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posted February 25, 2012 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Tofu addict:
A good piece of insight of the 12th house AmiAnn, i am a 12th house person. a 4 planet stellium and i relate to what you are writing, about the touch that can feel like fire. The sensitivity of the skin...

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Thanks Tofu

Which House Rulers are in the 12th House?

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posted February 25, 2012 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
...I must admit I've never heard that 12th house might be responsible....

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I've heard that!

posted February 25, 2012 12:04 PM            

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posted February 25, 2012 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Saggi MC
You and I see things very differently. I don't want to feel as if I have to explain things to you. Take what I say, as you care to, but I don't want to feel as if I have to explain all the reasons behind what I say.

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posted February 25, 2012 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
...i can feel totally alone in a room full of people sometimes

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posted February 25, 2012 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
yes there is definitely a sorrow about twelfth house placements,i have sun,saturn,and the north node conjunct in my twelfth,more of a loneliness than anything, i can feel totally alone in a room full of people sometimes

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SEE which houses GIVE their Ruling Planets to the 12th. Do you know what I mean?

THAT House will have sorrow, it seems.

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posted February 25, 2012 12:37 PM            

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posted February 25, 2012 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

SEE which houses GIVE their Ruling Planets to the 12th. Do you know what I mean?

THAT House will have sorrow, it seems.

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posted February 25, 2012 12:59 PM            

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posted February 25, 2012 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YEP have you had sorrow to the 5th?

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posted February 25, 2012 01:24 PM            

It is easy to buy a book, to google, etc. but experience is the best teacher..

I learned this 20 years ago, when I began to study astrology, a book will tell you one thing, but experience of the individuals is priceless~

posted February 25, 2012 01:27 PM            

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posted February 25, 2012 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thanks Tofu

Which House Rulers are in the 12th House?

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posted February 25, 2012 06:19 PM            

God is good all the time; all the time, God is good.

I can do all things through God.

posted February 25, 2012 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I'm going to start a riot but I don't care.

God is good all the time; all the time, God is good.

I can do all things through God.

No aspect and no 12th House can face up to God.

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Totally Ian---- Here is what I just wrote. It is my beliefs. I will put it on with that caveat!

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posted February 25, 2012 06:33 PM            

If you have the above mentioned chart, you have come to the right place. No chart is too bad for God . It is true that the chart is the map we bring in to the world. It shows our appearance, our parents, our talents, our dark side, our level of passion, our secrets. What do you do if you have the chart of a serial murderer? You surrender to God and ask him to exchange His Spirit with yours. That is the Divine Exchange. That is what is called the New Birth or being Born Again. One’s spirit becomes the same as God’s. One’s Born Again Spirit is then completely changed, for all time. One still has one’s body, soul and mind, which will not be changed until one dies. One can renew one’s mind through studying the Bible. One’s mind and body will never get perfect, as long as one lives on the earth.However, one’s spirit is totally changed. One can listen to one’s New Spirit and one can know what is going to happen. The Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit will tell us things to come. That is how I have my psychic gift. It is one of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. There are Gifts for everyone. Each person will have different Gifts, but they are usually things you, always, wanted. Your chart is of the earth. No matter how bad it is, it will die when you do. Then, you will enter the Next Dimension. All things of the earth fade away. All your angst will be gone. If you had the worst life on this earth, one second in Heaven will make up for it. Even if you lived through the Holocaust, one minute in Heaven will make all your sorrows fade. There is joy beyond your wildest dreams. That is a Promise from God. God’s Promises never change.

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posted February 25, 2012 06:33 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
can definititely relate to that painting XD

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I love that artist!

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