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Libreo
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posted February 27, 2012 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a very enthusiastic teenage student here and she is starting to become really good with guessing peoples signs accurately. There's one thing I'm not sure how to explain to her though. She knows your Mercury influences how you communicate, and your Venus influences your 'love style', but what is the best way to differentiate between your Sun, Moon and Mars? I have told her the Sun is like your 'ego' and the moon is like your 'ID', Mars is your energy, but even I don't know if I'm explaining it correctly. And then you bring the ascendant into it! I'm telling her this is your 'mask'. She's very confused. A little help?

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posted February 27, 2012 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, how lovely!
I think it's a great analogy, I'd say that Asc is super ego (there are some sources that explain that asc is how we learned to adapt to our environnement/survive in childhood which is quite similar to the programming the super ego or parent has). The ascendant is in some ways a mask, but really, it's much more than that. It colors our perceptions and it is a filter.
Think of it as putting some colored glasses - a Neptune asc would put on pink ones while a Plutonian would have very dark shades.

Mars is how we go get things that we want (Sun), need (Moon) or like (Venus). I'll write some more when I have the time.

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posted February 27, 2012 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please do, especially re Mars, Sun and Moon.

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posted February 27, 2012 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think as far as mars goes, saying it's your energy is accurate, but there is more to it then that. Mars is about how you use your energy. It's the planet of action, motion, plans, the present moment, the physical. All of those require energy to do. The way you put energy into them is how it ends up manifesting. A good way to think about it would be how you put your energy to use. How you outlet it. Mars is a bit harder to read with just its sign though. I find it's house placement is just as important. Reason being is the house to me seems to explain the "ideal" way in which the energy is put to use.

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posted February 27, 2012 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say:

Sun- who you feel you truly are inside; what truly motivates you and drives you as a person

Moon- how you express yourself emotionally; how you react and act when you are feeling a very strong emotion (whether happy, sad, angry, etc)

Mars- What Tautomer said; how you act out your passions for life; how you express yourself creatively

Asc- First impressions other people might have of you; how you portray yourself to others; could be your 'image' so to speak

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posted February 27, 2012 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by enchantress299:
I would say:

Sun- who you feel you truly are inside; what truly motivates you and drives you as a person

Moon- how you express yourself emotionally; how you react and act when you are feeling a very strong emotion (whether happy, sad, angry, etc)

Mars- What Tautomer said; how you act out your passions for life; how you express yourself creatively

Asc- First impressions other people might have of you; how you portray yourself to others; could be your 'image' so to speak


Yup this is the best way you could possibly put it. Yay conciseness! (Something I epically fail at ).

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posted February 27, 2012 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yup this is the best way you could possibly put it. Yay conciseness! (Something I epically fail at ).

It's my Virgo.

Actually, it's funny, I was just having this conversation with one of my friends the other day... I have a really good knack for breaking things down to their smallest components in order to explain something. It actually helps me win debates with people who are wordsmiths because it is very hard for them to work around it or out-logic it (so to speak).

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posted February 28, 2012 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wouldn't saying the Moon influences how we react & express, and Mercury influences our communication be a bit confusing?

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posted February 28, 2012 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the responses have been great so far. I figured I would add mine in too.

ASC - The ASC should really be explained in terms of the other angles. I have always liked the house analogy. IC is like your basement, it is the place we keep all our old photos, wedding dress, our rusty bike we used to ride until we crashed it in a ditch. It is a space we often turn into a chilling spot for working on personal projects alone or getting drunk and hashing up old memories with childhood friends. This is the place we retreat when the weather gets dangerous. The DSC is like the back yard, it is the place in which we hold neighborhood BBQ's and exercise our social graces. It is a public space, but considered one's personal property. It is a space for recreational fun, a place to sip refreshment, and enjoy the sunset/afternoon/stars in the arms of the people we cherish. The MC is the attic, it is a place you have to climb to reach. It acts to regulate the climate of all other areas of your house and maintains a roof over the heads of anyone you invite in. The space within the attic is potential, akwardly shaped, exposed to the rough elements, and requires renovation/hard work before it can become a livable space. The ASC is our front of the house, It is the part of our house which passers by readily judge without having to go in. It is where we greet friends and hold conversations with strangers. It is also an area your close friends pass through without much notice, because their business is typically indoors. It is the area we decorate in order to display our messages to others (I like holidays, I fly a flag because I am patriotic, I welcome strangers, I own an evil dog who eats strangers, don't try to sell me stuff, etc..). This area is a presonal space, but considered public property and is exposed to everyone.

Additionally I would describe the ASC as the way a person imagines their self, and the image we attempt to project.

Sun - Our identity (aka the topics, ideals, and ideas we identify with). The Sun is what animates us, our truth, and the person we are when there's no reason for pretending to be someone else. It is a somewhat difficult energy to objectify, because it is generally who we talk about when we refer to "me" (as essentially there is a difference between "me" and what "me" thinks (Mercury), feels (Moon), idealizes (uranus), etc.). It is the "I" that we are conscious of seeing from.

Moon - Is the place from which we reflect, as well as our emotional activity. The energy is so deep it holds all our memories, inherited genetic predispositions, and makes us capable of acting instinctually before our Mercury may even know what is going on. The Moon is also our "Comfort Zone", our "Personal Space", and dictates to us what conditions are required for us to feel safe. [EDIT: It is that which we feel needs protecting and how we go about protecting it, in an instinctual/primal way.].

Mars - Is our drive, passion, and endurance. It is how we go about accomplishing and accquiring. Where Venus turns our head toward something beautiful (ooOOo Pretty!), Mars is the energy that wants to find some way to interact with that object (Want it!). Mars is associated with anger, because anger arises out of dissatisfaction. Dissatisfaction is a product of not being able to accquire something we see Venus in.

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posted February 28, 2012 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Xiiro you gotta write that book!

enchantress: I'm so jealous of you, and love how your write. Virgo is my "missing function."

maira: I'd say the moon is how we feel. It's emotion. Mercury is our mental orientation.

So I am sensitive like a Pisces (moon) but reason like an Aquarius (Mercury)- my thinking is usually detached, logical, ideals-oriented.

My husband says I am "too damn logical." When hurt, I don't just dissolve into a puddle, I actually lay out my case pretty methodically.

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posted February 28, 2012 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow thankyou so much for your responses. I'm just gonna let her read for herself there's no way I can explain it as well as you have. It's funny everytime she guesses someones sign, when we look it up it's ALWAYS their moon!

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posted February 28, 2012 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay! you're giving her an excellent education in understanding human behavior.
I think all Astrologers should teach their children the basics. Good Mom.

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posted February 28, 2012 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thankyou very much

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posted February 28, 2012 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Libreo:
I have a very enthusiastic teenage student here and she is starting to become really good with guessing peoples signs accurately. There's one thing I'm not sure how to explain to her though. She knows your Mercury influences how you communicate, and your Venus influences your 'love style', but what is the best way to differentiate between your Sun, Moon and Mars? I have told her the Sun is like your 'ego' and the moon is like your 'ID', Mars is your energy, but even I don't know if I'm explaining it correctly. And then you bring the ascendant into it! I'm telling her this is your 'mask'. She's very confused. A little help?

Basic astrology
Now basically your sun sign is your 'core beliefs, values, ego' and Asc is your physical body, mode of expression and mask and persona that we all wear and hide behind, but definitely not what's going on underneath. What's going on underneath is your Sun sign. Moon sign, house placements and aspects describe your emotional and intuitive responses, also describes your view of your mother, as saturn describes your father by sign and house position.

So, think of a glass milk bottle the bottle is your Asc and your sun the milk, but the milk still has to 'come out' through the glass neck of the milk bottle....

Now aspects within a natal chart represent 'facets' of our personality, because we are all multifaceted beings. What these do is 'break down and compartmentalise' these facets into smaller bite size chunks. This does take quite a lot of self analysis and objectivity to 'see yourself' and why you do certain things and behave in certain ways. Actually it can be quite good therapy...

Remember back to your school days an opposition is 180', square 90', trine 120', and sextile 60' Now challenged aspects are conj (depending on the planets, cos some like each other and some really don't) squares and oppositions. Easy aspects are conj (if the planets get along) eg: Jupiter conj Moon, sextile and trine. Quincunx is inbetween (depending on the planets) causes health strains and unresolved or hard to balance planets/energies.

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posted February 28, 2012 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wouldn't saying the Moon influences how we react & express, and Mercury influences our communication be a bit confusing?

Hmm... I guess it made sense to me because I put a bit of a crowbar separation between emotional reactions and general communications.

Moon would still = how you feel and interpret your emotions and perhaps to some extent how you express them; whereas Mercury = how you primarily communicate thoughts, ideas, concepts, etc; whether you prefer/rely on verbal or non-verbal communication, etc.

Don't know if that helps, but hopefully it does.

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enchantress: I'm so jealous of you, and love how your write. Virgo is my "missing function."

Aww... Thanks. I appreciate it.

Virgo is nice to have when it comes to explaining things (by breaking them down of course!- gotta focus on those details). However, it's not so much fun when trying to tell stories or be whimsical in speech. I envy my Gemini and Pisces compatriots for that. My NN is in Gemini, and though I have had a rocky time with Geminis, I do envy their ability to weave a good story... And to keep it light.

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