posted March 02, 2012 02:17 PM            

i know minors 'count' but i'm assuming their influence is minor and that for a chart ruled by JUPITER this is less than fantastic.

could this explain why i am very optimistic but it rarely amounts to much in reality?? (jupiter is in my 7th.)

or are the minors sufficient and should i be focusing on them, jupiter style?

moon quintile jupiter is nice.. but is it really THAT active/effective? jupiter needs real expansiveness and purpose! jupiter sesquiquadrate neptune also seems true enough but feels weak and conflicted and jupiter semisquare north node doesn't even get a google result. if i look at the square (as one site suggested) i discover more conflict. my jupiter is not excited by this, either.

so yeah, should i focus on the quintile? seems true enough for me (like for instance this morning i decided to just get really excited and run through the room with fists pumping to the ethers just to raise the energy around here).

posted March 02, 2012 02:43 PM            

My chart ruler is my singleton, Capricorn sun. I can't grasp the meaning of it...am I MORE Capricorn than your "average" Cap, or LESS, because I'm not getting any earth reinforcement?

Well I hope you get answers on this thread, it might help me interpret my own weird chart ruler.

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posted March 02, 2012 04:01 PM            

This question has been in the back of mind. When I talk to people about Unaspected planets, some will say that the Unaspected Planet is not a good thing. Some will laugh at the idea of Unaspected planets being buried treasure as if the idea is akin to comparing garbage to diamonds. I think I found the bridge. It makes sense. Astrology always will when one finds the key. Astrology is as logical as any classical science, in my experience. Back to Unaspected Planets. The Unaspected will be a sore thumb until the person takes it above ground and makes it find it’s destiny.It’s destiny is to be a genius. However,it can stay a baby having tantrums when it does not get his rattle. That is the reason people see Unaspected Planets so differently. One person sees the coal and says it could not possibly be a diamond. The other sees the diamond and doubts it was ever coal. That is the reason the Unaspected Planets have such different reputations with different people. The reputation is based on the person’s lens. I do not think you can really understand the workings of an Unaspected Planet if you do not have one.I have an unaspected Venus by all Astrology standards as nothing is closer than 10 degrees except the quincunx which does not count with 99% of Astrologers. Most of what I understand is from inside. There is precious little out there to help you get behind the eyes of an Unaspected Planet so I try to do so. I offer my information with that caveat.

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If you are fortunate to have an Unaspected Planet, you have buried treasure. It may be shipwrecked, as in days of old. It may be capsized.It may be on the bottom of the ocean, but you have it. Astrology never lies. Astrology is never wrong. The Astrologer may be, due to human error or inexperience. However, if your chart is accurate, that chart is a picture of you. As such, if you are fortunate enough to have an Unaspected Planet, you are fortunate, indeed. It is a responsibility.Personally, I don’t think one can unearth one’s Unaspected Planet without maturity. I think God set it up that way because the power in an Unaspected Planet is too strong for the immature soul. By the process of unearthing it, you learn it’s lessons. Then, you will have unique opportunities to use them, as that is the nature of God’s Gifts. They are for yourself, but, also, to be used for others. God wants to get TO you, so He can get THROUGH you. I am going to talk about each Unaspected Planet.

Sun—The Unaspected Sun can shine as no other, if the person can bring it up from it’s buried state and allow it expression. There are more famous people with Unaspected Suns than any Unaspected Planet. I can see this, as one would have a very unique way about himself, if he had to earn it and learn it, without help from “others”. Others are aspects, as they link planets. An Unaspected Planet is a feral child. He can, truly, go either way, as can an orphan. The Sun is our ego, our identity. If the Unaspected Sun has a buried identity and manages to bring it to the fore, he will, by the nature of the process, have a strong identity, which can burn like a pure flame, unlike another.

Moon–The Unaspected Moon is a child locked in an adult’s body. He truly is as innocent at heart, as he seems. People may resent him, as they think it is an act.It is not. This gentle soul is like no other. He is a tremendous gift to others, although he may suffer, a great deal. He may have had no real mother. Hence, part of his innocence is his real need for mothering. He has a way about him that makes others want to mother him. He is the eternal lost child, the eternal Peter Pan, as was Micheal Jackson, although he was not a true Unaspected Moon. He captures it’s spirit, though.
Venus–The Unaspected Venus was put on earth to learn about love. It is a weighty lesson. However, as with all Unaspected Planets, the native won’t stop until he is done. Either that, or he gives up completely. There seems to be an either/or dichotomy with Unaspected Planets. At any rate, the Unaspected Venus must learn about love through the doing. Love is the hardest part of being a human. It is the easiest, as well, as it is so natural. The Unaspected Venus must learn the lesson of how to use love. Love is a cruel taskmaster in that you do not tell him what to do. If you do, he will bite. You must yield. Yield to yourself. Yield to life. Yield to others. In yielding, you will be pricked . You will have pain the force of fire. However, within the pain, you will cast aside dross. You will find that under the dross is a purity of spirit, as in a child. You have had to make a very long trip to get back from where you started.

Mars–The Unaspected Mars must learn about drive,passion, anger aggression and assertion. That is quite a lot. The Unaspected Mars native could get himself in to trouble. It is a Herculean task. I have seen one out of control Unaspected Mars. When the native goes on an anger roll, hide your heads. He seems to have a white hot anger, consuming all.However, when it is over, he seems to come out of a self administered trance and act like little happened. Meanwhile, you are scratching your head, sitting in the midst of ruble. The Unaspected Mars must learn to moderate and modulate his anger. If not, he is headed for disaster. Go to Anger Management, if you need to. Grab a hold of that fierce beast. You were endowed with it for a reason. Remember, it is a gift, but you must earn it.

Jupiter–Unaspected Jupiter is thought to allow for unusual luck and good fortune. There may be a natural optimism and good cheer. This draws others to them, as they radiate a charisma. One likes to be near an Unaspected Jupiter, in the hopes that is will rub off.

Saturn–Unaspected Saturn is a very special person in that he has a great deal of integrity. He embodies the best of Capricorn. The employer for whom he works will have found a prize.He seems to have a sensitive conscience.He will be a friend on whom one can count.He is a serious person, one on whom you can rely. That means a lot in this day and age of “me, me, me”. You know what I mean. I am certain.

Uranus–Unaspected Uranus is one of my favorites. Instead of making Uranus buzz up to the ceiling, it calms Uranus down. The striking feature of the Unaspected Uranus is his creativity. The closest thing you will see to a walking Picasso is an Unaspected Uranus. Every facet of his being is creative, from his speech to his mannerisms. He does it his own way, but it is not strident. He has nothing to prove. He knows who he is. He knows what he has. He uses it in an understated way, which makes it all the more striking.

Pluto–Unaspected Pluto must learn the lessons of power. Uh huh, it is a huge task, not for the faint of heart. The Unaspected Pluto is a force to be reckoned with. I suppose some of them may roll up into a ball and abrogate use of their gift. However, with the Unaspected Pluto, I doubt it. I cannot see him going under the bed. He will wield power, his currency. He will misuse it, no doubt. Picasso did not start painting masterpieces, right off the bat. The Unaspected Pluto may be a pure demon on wheels, running over everyone and everything until he learns that the truly powerful speak with a whisper, not a shout.

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posted March 02, 2012 04:25 PM            

I kind of feel the same way about my singleton sun. It might be a diamond, but it depends on my lens and my exertion.

Whoa cakes, thank you for your question. I have no idea if I am more or less Capricorn than others. I only recently started paying attention to the fact that it's singleton and my chart ruler, so I have to think longer about it. Then I'll get back to everyone.

Nothing is really close to my MC except the south node. I never wanted a real job, always wanted to follow my own star. For now I'm focused on raising my children well and having a smoothly-running household. Eating healthy food, staying organized and whatnot.
Typical 4th house NN stuff.

I guess I do dream of being like the ideal mother, and in a Capricorn way...living in a house with light neutral colors and clean lines. Better yet I want to help build a new straw bale house, energy independent, and have it aligned with Feng Shui principles...I want a VERY Cap house!

posted March 02, 2012 04:28 PM            

With an Unaspected Planet, the person may feel hyperactive in the domain of the planet. That is why the Unaspected Venus may be too social in a hyperactive way The Unaspected Pluto may hold power with a too tight a fist. The Unaspected Mars may be Hell on wheels. The Unaspected moon may be too shy to leave his house. The Unaspected Sun may be an egomaniac or too self effacing. This happens because the native has an urgency to express the planet.It is as if the planet is a baby who wants to be born. The Unaspected Planet will be a hallmark of the chart. The person has a great opportunity but he may not use it. That is the double edged sword of the Unaspected Planet. With Jupiter, we must mull over what Jupiter rules and how it functions. Jupiter is optimism. Jupiter is good cheer.It is high spirits. It is learning for the sake of really understanding why.It is adventure.It is long distance travel, as well as studying about esoteric matters. As such, the Unaspected Jupiter native can be a genius in these things.However, he has a solitary journey to make friends with his Jupiter. How it is done with a Jupiter is more elusive to me as I have an Unaspected Venus. I would need to put that out there to all you Unaspected Jupiters : rare that you are.

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posted March 02, 2012 04:54 PM            

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Hi Ami

You got anything on unaspected Mercury please? And yes its my chart ruler... : )

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posted March 02, 2012 05:04 PM            

I was bemoaning the sadness of an Unaspected moon until I had a profound understanding . I will share it. You take what you will. An Unaspected Moon cannot access his own feelings as his feelings are THE part of him which is buried. Remember, each Unaspected Planet buries something.Please, keep this in mind when dealing with Unaspected Planets. Venus buries love. Pluto buries power. The Moon buries feelings.The Sun buries identity. Uranus buries individuality and extreme creativity. Neptune buries anything from the next world, which could be psychic gifts, artistic gifts or mysticism. Saturn buries achievement of goals and maturity. Back to the Moon.The Unaspected Moon is born with the situation of being lost to his feelings. He does not have normal connection with his feelings. Feelings are our compass.One will be misshapen without access to feelings.That is the long and short of it. One is a mutant. However, one can unearth the Unaspected Planet and become a prodigy in the domain of the planet. This is what I realized yesterday.The emotional mutant can become the emotional genius.

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posted March 02, 2012 05:05 PM            

I am doing the chart of a female unaspected Cancer Moon in the 10th House. I cannot stop thinking of Micheal Jackson, who had an almost unaspected Moon. He had one square from Saturn. This is a hindrance, so one can say that Micheal’s theme of the unaspected moon is strengthened. I think with sadness about Micheal’s life because I think he was misunderstood. People thought he was a predator because they did not understand the anomaly which IS the unaspected Moon. The holder of an unaspected planet IS an anomaly. Let’s get that straight, right off the bat. The person is an aberration. This does not mean the aberration is bad. It is just different. We must start from there, if we are to understand the unaspected Moon.

Micheal Jackson is a very public example of an unaspected moon. What one sees when one looks at Micheal is raw vulnerability. His sweetness is genuine. His childlike spirit is genuine. His love of children was genuine, not perverted, as was indicated by his lawsuit against him, which was settled When one is a pubic figure who was as wealthy as Micheal, there would be actual predators coming out of the woodwork. Micheal was the victim, not the predator, in my opinion. No person can know what went on behind closed doors, with absolute certainty. My opinion is based on knowing Astrology and knowing human nature.

The unaspected planet is considered a gift. If one believes in reincarnation, which I don’t, the bearer of an unaspected planet was thought to have earned it by good karma. At any rate, it is considered a gift. I can see this with the other unaspected planets. However, the unaspected moon is very hard on the native. The unaspected moon native blesses others, while he may suffer, greatly. Micheal was a blessing to others. This is the hallmark of the unaspected moon. The unaspected moon possesses traits which are unheard of in an adult. He is, still, childlike. He retains an innocence , even though he may go through many trials. Perhaps, he is a child, locked inside an adults body, the proverbial Peter Pan. We love the story of Peter Pan. It endures through the ages because it lives, somewhere in the innocent part of all of us.

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Thanks Faith. One gets a lot of criticism when one puts oneself out there. Thanks for your support--so much!!!

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(((Hug)))) So true! I've FELT it, when I try and talk astrology with people. Even if I'm right and they say so, I feel vulnerable.

posted March 02, 2012 05:07 PM            

I think each person with an unaspected( or semi aspected) planet is obsessed with what that planet rules. The obsession does not have to negative. However, I think it will be, until the person faces the traits of the unaspected planet and pulls them in, rather than flitting on the surface of them. I think the unaspected planet calls you, in the nature of thirst. If you do not answer, you will be obsessed, in the same way that a thirsty man would be obsessed with water. The unaspected planet is a powerful force in the chart.The first step to taking the unaspected planet out from it’s buried state, is to follow that obsession.If you are an unaspected Venus, you may be too social. You may be a social butterfly and unable to stop. This is what I mean by the obsession part.One must follow the obsession, however, as it will lead one to the second step. In the second step, one starts to integrate the planet into oneself, in a more relaxed and natural manner.

In the second step, one faces oneself. One realizes that one is obsessed and asks why.If one is an uber social creature, one asks what this is accomplishing rather than running on empty.The second step is about seeing what the obsession represents, rather than mindlessly repeating it. At this stage, one realizes that one is using the physical world in a symbolic way. As an astrologer, I see this in my clients, particularly with the Nessus/Dejaneria asteroids. One feels one will die, if one does not get a person to love them. One will not die, in actuality. However, it feels as if one will. I have learned not to throw platitudes at people. Platitudes are cheap answers to a person’s angst. The person with the unaspected planet is similarly obsessed. Once, he sees that he has a symbolic reenactment, he can detach and observe.

The native with the unaspected planet has a gift. The unaspected moon may not seem like a gift to the person, but it is considered a gift. The unaspected moon native has special qualities,even though he does suffer a great deal, from his extreme sensitivity. He has a childlike manner that is unusual in an adult. He brings joy to others, by his childlike innocence and trust. People will not understand him. In my opinion, Micheal Jackson was targeted wrongly, in part because people did not understand the unique beauty of an unaspected moon. In his case, he had an almost unaspected moon, which works the same way.

I have a passion to help people unearth their unaspected planets, as I am unearthing my unaspected Venus. One has a gift with which one can bring fufillment to oneself and joy to others.

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so since ORBS should stay under 3-5 max, i just noticed that my chart ruler is basically unaspected. on astro.com they go up to 10 so it displays a couple of aspects but in actuality i only only have three minors (semisquare, sesquiquadrate and a quintile).

i know minors 'count' but i'm assuming their influence is minor and that for a chart ruled by JUPITER this is less than fantastic.

could this explain why i am very optimistic but it rarely amounts to much in reality?? (jupiter is in my 7th.)

or are the minors sufficient and should i be focusing on them, jupiter style?

moon quintile jupiter is nice.. but is it really THAT active/effective? jupiter needs real expansiveness and purpose! jupiter sesquiquadrate neptune also seems true enough but feels weak and conflicted and jupiter semisquare north node doesn't even get a google result. if i look at the square (as one site suggested) i discover more conflict. my jupiter is not excited by this, either.

so yeah, should i focus on the quintile? seems true enough for me (like for instance this morning i decided to just get really excited and run through the room with fists pumping to the ethers just to raise the energy around here).

mostly though i'm worried that since it seems pretty unlikely these minor aspects count for much my jupiter is destined to be frustrated and weak. could it also be that an unaspected jupiter can sort of play out like a singleton while still maintaining difficulty in expression or result? meaning, i feel it so very much and i also believe it saved my life a number of times, so it's like billowing inside me but just does not have an outlet, or at best, only a trickle (and thus builds up even more inside of me)..??

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Orbs for natal charts vary and astro does go upto 10' but I reduce the ratio down to 85%.

NOW orbs for synastry is what you SEEM to be referring to...

ORBS should stay under 3-5 max, i just noticed that my chart ruler is basically unaspected. on astro.com they go up to 10

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"Enthusiasm looking for a cause or a mission in life; overindulgence; opinionation" http://www.donmc.com/Unaspected.htm

Insecurity and the Unaspected Planet
"Another hallmark of unaspected planets is that they are often accompanied by feelings of insecurity. This insecurity is connected to a number of things. In the first place, the idea of "being in search of," that often expresses itself in a kind of restless feeling, I sometimes try to describe as a feeling of "hunger," or "yearning," or "being unfulfilled" in the area of that planet. A longing, too, but for what we don't know. It can't be described; it is diffuse and vague, and we can't really make anybody see what it's all about. Even if we have everything our hearts desire, this feeling can still be there. So it has absolutely nothing to do with external circumstances or with whatever we've achieved in life." http://innerself.com/content/self-help/personal-growth/astrology/planets/3854-unaspected-planets.html

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Jupiter naturally seeks out active social participation rather than solitude. Jupiter is the planet of outreach and breadth of scope. When unaspected, it is apt to be less gregarious and socially expansive. Or else it behaves so in spurts of enthusiasm. Jupiter's innate spontaneity is unlikely to be fully brought out, except during erratic moments of expression. The individual may temporarily display unbridled exuberance which tends to die out as quickly as it manifests. Planetary aspects help Jupiter further develop its judgmental abilities, since a variety of aspects motivates the individual to seek out experiences that promote these abilities. Unaspected Jupiter attracts less situational affairs in which judgement must actively be applied (suggesting then that it may be undeveloped). Other parts of the nature are not able to grow thru the process of inspiration and uplift typical of Jupiter energies. Lacking buoyancy, the individual may feel very weighted down by the gravity of life (unless there is strong support from Sagittarius placements and activity in the 9th house). However, according to Jupiter' house position, the individual can show a great amount of zeal and self-encouragement. Instead of candid and casual, the individual may appear detached and mentally remote (since Jupiter, like Uranus, deals with far-awayness themes).

Unlike the more worldly-wise aspected Jupiter (whose broadened life opportunities assist in the development of wisdom), the individual is likely to be highly idealistic, yet innocent and unassuming in many areas of his existence. This condition could denote the ivory-tower disposition. Unaspected Jupiter may feel more disconnected with socially observed moral or religious standards. The individual is less prone to follow belief systems or world views that are expected of him due to cultural pressures or early conditioning. Even if intensely philosophical, his self-containment here suggests he is a loner in his search for higher meaning or ultimate truth. However,his vision could be very unique because of this. Betterment is nevertheless to be found operating most evidently in the affairs of Jupiter's house position http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/dde3467b-df04-4a45-94c8-7aeb8e91e741

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What I would suggest is that you look at your midpoints and parallels.
I have my chart ruler Uranus conj Sun/moon

Another example is Ami Anne unaspected gemini Venus is parallel her jupiter (this acts likea conjunction)

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posted March 02, 2012 07:39 PM            

I wrote about the nature of Unaspected Planets in other articles.Unaspected Planets are buried and will stay in their infantile state if not taken up from the buried state. Lets try to look at Mercury. Mercury includes all activities of the mind from thinking to communicating. Mercury in Gemini works well. That is Mercury’s Domicile or Home. Mercury is in it’s Detriment in Sagittarius. Mercury is Exalted in Virgo. Mercury is in it’s Fall in Pisces. Gemini and Virgo are cerebral signs in which Mercury takes to as a fish in water. Sagittarius is too much of a mover and shaker for cerebral Mercury. Sagittarius loves adventure. Jupiter loves Sagittarius but Mercury does not. Pisces is a good example of a hard placement for Mercury as it is easy to see why.Pisces is non linear. Pisces arrives at conclusions through a right brain process i.e. intuitive. Mercury likes pure logic and reason. Mercury feels good with linear left brain thinking. As such, you can see how Mercury could struggle swimming in the waters of otherworldly Pisces. I say all this as a prelude to understanding the Unaspected Mercury.

With the Unaspected Mercury, we do not have the Domicile or the Fall. We have a baby Mercury. He is like a fetus. He is impressionable and can invent and create his Mercury as he sees fit. However, in the process he may flail . He may fly : wobbly as a baby bird pushed from the nest. The Unaspected Mercury is reputed to be awkward with words. He is reputed to be awkward with speech. He may be awkward with all manners of communication, both written and verbal. However, if he persists he will surpass others. He will have a mark of genius. He will be unique in his personal expression. That will be his reward for his struggles.

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