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Ami Anne
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posted March 07, 2012 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ASC is more exterior.

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Ceridwen
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posted March 07, 2012 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow Ceri
Rulers of the 8th. Tell me your reasoning please. Would this make a soul to soul connection Ceri?


Yes, all water houses are about soul-connections, but the 8th house is in the relationship quadrant, following the 7th house of where you choose a partner.
The 8th then is the manifestation of that partnership.
It is about sexual intimacy, resonating with Pluto/Scorpio and therefore also of course transformative.
But it is very primal, very deep in nature, especially in relation to an OTHER, so it can feel quite intense and raw, and sometimes proves just "too much" to handle the emotional impact, depending on the person`s overall tolerance for intensity.

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posted March 07, 2012 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lioness,

for a very deep impact, don`t forget to check the rulers of 8th house (Placidus).


CRAP that would be my venus..

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Ami Anne
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posted March 07, 2012 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, all water houses are about soul-connections, but the 8th house is in the relationship quadrant, following the 7th house of where you choose a partner.
The 8th then is the manifestation of that partnership.
It is about sexual intimacy, resonating with Pluto/Scorpio and therefore also of course transformative.
But it is very primal, very deep in nature, especially in relation to an OTHER, so it can feel quite intense and raw, and sometimes proves just "too much" to handle the emotional impact, depending on the person`s overall tolerance for intensity.



Great info Ceri---off to put the dog bone in the pile

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posted March 07, 2012 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Oh and true Black Moon Lilith (h13).

Interesting...

So with pisces my BML conjuncts his Moon
his BML conjuncts my DSC..

His Lilith (mean lilith) conjuncts my Sun, Moon, Mercury

Could that be the reason he has such a deep impact on me???

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posted March 08, 2012 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Interesting...

So with pisces my BML conjuncts his Moon
his BML conjuncts my DSC..

His Lilith (mean lilith) conjuncts my Sun, Moon, Mercury

Could that be the reason he has such a deep impact on me???



Lilith is big.With my Moon/Pluto guy, my Lilith was an exact conjunction to his Sun.

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posted March 09, 2012 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, BML is VERY big.
And whoa, lioness, yes to your answer, definitely.
I am going to post a link to an article I agree with in relation to Lilith.

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posted March 09, 2012 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Black Moon Lilith
Perhaps the most subtle and intriguing of the three Liliths, Black Moon is not a physical body but an abstract, geometrical point, like the Ascendant or the Vertex. It is the second center of the Moonıs elliptical orbit around the Earth. An ellipse has two centers, rather than one like perfect circle. The Earth is one center and Black Moon Lilith is the other. Another way to describe this point is as the apogee of the Moonıs orbit--the place where it is the farthest from Earth.
The center of gravity between the Earth and Moon is inside the Earth. As part of the Earth-Moon system, Black Moon is a point or energetic vortex intimately bound to the center of the Earth. Black Moon and Earth are the two centers or the double center, around which the Moon orbits. Lilith is a twin to the core energy of the Earth, the deep heart of fire. This is the central fire that feeds and sustains our Earth bodies. The creative vitality of the Sun gives life to the Earth and fuels this central core fire. The center of gravity between the Moon and Earth is within the Earth. It is as if Black Moon pulls away from that center and brings the Moon closer to the Sun, Black Moon being the furthest point of the Moon from Earth.

Psychologist Robert Sardello, author of Facing the World with Soul, tells a story of Sophia, the feminine divine essence, always seeking union with the Spirit of God. The light of God was so brilliant, she was moving toward that, attracted to it. Then she was distracted by an equally bright light. She found herself trapped inside Earth, incarnated in physical matter, that is equally as divine. This central flame is the heart of Earth and sustains the spiritual life of Earth, as the materiality of earth nurtures and sustains our bodies. This flame reaches out from the center of Earth through all living beings, ever longing to merge with the Spirit of God. Found in the darkness, we seek her in the deepest recesses of our Selves. This is the impulse for the sacred inner marriage.

As a center point of the Moonıs orbit, Black Moon Lilith works in relationship with the Earth-Moon system and with the Sun. As a second center of reference, she gives a sense of rhythm to the Earth, taking the dynamics of relationship beyond the personal Moon-Venus energies into subtle dimensions that are essential to our reasons for being on and of Earth. Representing the closest reach of the Moon to the Sun, she is also a reference point in our personal lives that brings us into relationship with the heart of our Sun-fueled experience on Earth, an emotional intelligence informed by the wisdom of earthy instinct. Since our culture has lost, even rejected as Lilith was rejected, this kind of natural wisdom is more difficult to tap into and trust.

In this regard, Black Moon Lilith can have a strong impact of relationship dynamics. Relationships that involve Lilith energy are initiatory, soul-to-soul meetings that open into a deeper center where personal and impersonal experience merge. Can we trust this energy that is unraveling our edges, tapping into such a deep well? Can we trust ourselves?
The Black Moon point is where we are lured into the mystery. She insists that we feel through, let go, surrender to something essential and transparent in us that is primary, the bedrock beneath the shifting sands, the passion of the soul. It is a corridor into the heart through which we are lured to discover our deepest truth, the longings and yearnings of our souls and thereby leading us to the deeper truth within our heart, the longings and yearnings of our souls.

In Unremembered Country, Susan Griffin beautifully articulates the essence of this core energy:
As I go into the Earth, she pierces my heart. As I penetrate further, she unveils me. When I have reached her center, I am weeping openly. I have known her all my life, yet she reveals stories to me, and these stories are revelations and I am transformed. Each time I go to her I am born like this. Her renewal washes over me endlessly, her wounds caress me; I become aware of all that has come between us, of the noise between us, the blindness, of something sleeping between us. Now my body reaches out to her.

Black Moon symbolizes a central motivating factor that is subtle, unseen but felt. This Lilith taps into an urgent desire of the soul that seeks dramatization in life and will brook no denial. In a time such as ours of potent change, the Black Moon, with its underlying creative life force and spiritual impulse, illumines the inner pathway with the most heart for each seeker of Truth and Love."

"Black Moon is an energy vortex, an ancient pathway into incarnation and sword of truth. Its orbital cycle of eight years, ten months, coordinates with the Moonıs nodal cycles. Black Moon has deep instinctive intuition, will and desire power that can weave matter out of ether. Perhaps that why she comes in dreams, when our bodies and rational minds are asleep. Our thoughts are then turned off and she can whisper her secrets in images and even, perhaps, transport us to other realms. She is a weaver of the etheric and the physical, like the warp and woof of the loom. She weaves together the collective and the personal, as the myth becomes our experience to regenerate."
http://www.heliastar.com/triplegoddess.html

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Lioness
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posted March 09, 2012 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ceridwen

Im trying to pinpoint the energy..
I feel the deep soul connection.....
It cuts WAY deep, and its so deep,that I cant really put it into words....

I just "feel"
In a way, it really bothers me, yet I like it..

But the part about surrending to it... Thats HUGE...
It took me over a year to even accept what I was feeling...
I cant surrender..
You know leo pride and all

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