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L0veLess
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posted March 12, 2012 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So Carl was saying he has uranus and merc unaspected, it got me wondering if my mars is considered unaspected or not.Can someone please help me?


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posted March 12, 2012 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for s4nd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it is abit wide. but i like what kannon sez on it so check parallels. makes much more sense to me to be uranus dominant rather than calling it unaspected.

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posted March 12, 2012 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, Mars is unaspected (though it might be parallel / contraparallel other planets).

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posted March 12, 2012 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for s4nd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if it didn't have parallels then can we read the unaspected mars?

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posted March 12, 2012 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unaspected planets are like a "wild card". They can switch between laying completely dormant and becoming very dominant.
What I have observed is that often the native is unaware of how strong he actually expresses the planetary symbolism, while people around him might notice its manifestation quite strongly.


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posted March 12, 2012 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oo thanks guys! but...how do i do parallels and contra-parallels? sounds like a lot of math x_x

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posted March 12, 2012 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this what im supposed to look at???

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posted March 12, 2012 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
your mars is certainly parallel Uranus, as they both have the same declination (appr. 23.30 South).
That is basically what you are looking at, if they are roughly at the same declination. If both are S, or both are N, it is called "parallel". If one is S(outh) and one is N(orth), it is called a contraparallel.
TRaditionally parallels are likened to conjunctions and contraparallels are likened to oppositions, though I cannot support that from my own observation. If contraparallels are like oppositions, then they are REALLY mild.

orb for parallels / contraparallels is about 1 degree, though several astrologers recommend a "sliding scale", as the amount of time each planet spends at a certain declination is VERY different.
In the extreme declinations of about 23° planets are moving VERY slowly, so some astrologers recommend an orb well under one degree, while the orb may be wider than one degree, the closer one gets to 00°.
Personally I use one degree as a rough guideline.

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posted March 12, 2012 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have a very interesting chart, the looks of it.
I must say the orbs are very wide, wider than i would use myself,
By example , there is a Saturn Venus conjunction charted, but the orb is apr. 10 degrees, i personally would not count that as conjunction, 6 to 8 degrees at the most if it are not luminaries.
So from that point of view, than you could say that your Sun and Venus are only making an aspect with each other, a close conjunction, called a duet, they are looked upon as unaspected as well, just can help each other out .
Do you fee that they could be unaspected?
The question of wideness of orbs is always debatable, and there are several schools of thought about it, maybe you feel that your Saturn is conjunct venus, i would like to know your view and experience on it.

I did not look at parallel aspects, my software is kicking up.

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posted March 12, 2012 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by s4nd:
it is abit wide. but i like what kannon sez on it so check parallels. makes much more sense to me to be uranus dominant rather than calling it unaspected.

technically mars is unaspect AND a singleton.
on the declinations of parallels mars is contra parallel jupiter (which acts like an opposition) a confidence aspect if you life.

Jupiter is contra parallel MC
mars/uranus are parallel
mars/neptune are parallel


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posted March 12, 2012 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the chart has NO air but Asc is air and mars is in air house to help compensate

Jupiter is retrograde (going backwards) and handle for bucket chart..

Bucket chart http://www.myastrologybook.com/Bucket-planetary-pattern-astrology.htm http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/bucket.html http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/funnel.html http://www.astrococktail.com/planetaryorderIII.html

now as this Exalted Jupiter in Cancer is THE only planet above the horizon warrants further research.

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Jupiter in Cancer individuals attract the most good fortune when they are sympathetic, charitable, use their powers to save and accumulate, and comfort others. Real estate and the food industry can be prosperous avenues.

As a Water sign Jupiter, you have a strong belief in a higher power. You are most able to attract luck and rich life experiences to you through your intuition, imagination, and compassion. Helping those in need boosts your own morale.

Better times of any year for you to realize your goals include when the Sun is in your Jupiter sign, Cancer, and when the Sun is in fellow Water signs, Scorpio and Pisces. See the table below for when these periods occur each year. http://cafeastrology.com/articles/jupiterinsigns.html


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Jupiter in Cancer attracts good luck when they are charitable, sympathetic and comforting. When they use their energy to save and accumulate, more comes to them. They are intuitive, and if they let these feelings guide them they will attract much good fortune. They should always use their imagination; it will help them succeed. When they are compassionate to others, it comes back to them.

Jupiter in Cancer has a gift at making people feel cared for. They can create a homelike environment anywhere. Whatever they turn their hand to grows or turns out well. They really know how to make the most of what they have. They have a talent for sensing the emotional currents around them and sensing when others feel vulnerable.

They are ambitious, and are led by their intuition and emotions. They are excellent at healing and caregiving. They can be very artistic, whether that is with traditional arts or with food or business. They have an excellent memory, especially for family and history. Security is very important to them. They are likely to build a nice nest egg through careful spending.

Jupiter in Cancer can have good fortune doing anything that deals with the home or food, such as catering, real estate or other related areas. They excel in anything where they nourish others in some manner. They may need some help overcoming moodiness or clinging to old values that no longer hold true. Cancer Jupiter is usually sociable and friendly. They do well with the public, and don't really hit their stride until they reach middle age. They usually have no problems attaining material success. When they share their ideas, it is usually a blending of their philosophies with their own personal experiences.

On the negative side, Jupiter in Cancer can become afraid of anything that is not familiar. They need to overcome this and reach out to those around them, whether they know them or not.
http://www.alwaysastrology.com/jupiter-in-cancer.html


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Jupiter Retrograde
When Jupiter is Retrograde, expansion can become impeded and things that seemed sure can just stop. When external energy dries up, it's time to find inner wisdom and expand internal knowledge. This is the time to objectively look at your projects and see where you need to work harder and do more. Don't just sit there criticizing others, examine your own code of ethics and exercise your own integrity. Think about how much you do to *fit in* out of fear and what are truly your own goals and needs. Jupiter retrograde is when the things we think we need but aren't really adding to our growth, are somehow removed from our lives. The end result is beneficial and the quest to understand is the journey and the teaching. http://www.artcharts.com/learn_astrology/rx.html

so the main elements are earth, so very practical and water as your stellium is in 4th water houses..

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posted March 12, 2012 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would also discount venus conj Saturn at 9' orb as too wide. I tend to reduce the orb ratio down to 85% on astro, to bring in line with mainstream views.

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Jupiter conjunct Midheaven

You will probably be inspired to seek adventure in your public domain, the freedom to explore unknown realms, whether this be the physical realms, or the realms of the mind. A good placement for someone aiming for the role of a leading church dignitary, a teacher, an educator, lecturer or therapist; in fact any role that may inspire faith in others. A good placement for a missionary, since Jupiter can provide the necessary faith and zeal to encourage and inspire others.

The placement of Jupiter in the chart will point to the domain of life through which we can expand the most in this life. As the most elevated planet this could suggest the expansion of knowledge, broadening not only ones own visions but sharing that knowledge with the world. Certainly teaching in one form or another would be an ideal medium through which to express this energy. This could also point to a desire to rise above the traditional, accepted and orthodox beliefs of society, stretching the mind to encompass higher learning and philosophies beyond the norm.

As the largest planet in our solar system the earth would fit into Jupiter over one thousand five hundred times, with room to spare. This could also suggest that there is the potential to rise to a position of some importance in life, one that carries a degree of status and prestige; something grander than just the ordinary and the mundane. This may not be at all evident on a conscious level yet prove to be a hidden driving force urging you to make something of yourself in the eyes of the world http://rugdeeaustralia.tripod.com/id18.html


Do you have interests careerwise,in food industry, travel, law, legal matters, higher education??

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Cancer Midheaven is sensitive to the feelings and thoughts of those surrounding them. They understand how to go with the flow, which can make it easier for them to adapt to most situations. Even so, it does not change who they are at their core.

Individuals born with a Midheaven in Cancer are good planners that can organize and direct both their own lives and the lives of all those around them. They understand how to let others be themselves, fully expecting that others will respect who they are in return. They truly care about others and want to help, but depending on the situation, they also know how to remain aloof. They are natural nurturers, and have a conscious appreciation for food, since that is a fundamental way to nurture. People with a Cancer Midheaven, while seemingly mild, are not afraid to fight for whatever they want. They believe all hardships heal with work and time.

When they need to rejuvenate, Cancer Midheaven knows how to rest and renew themselves. They are naturally creative in everything they do, whether it is in the kitchen or in caring for others. Creativity becomes blocked when they cannot express their thoughts and emotions. Psychic upheaval, removal of the obstacle or jumpstarting their creativity are all useful in removing these blockages.

The innate restlessness that resides in Cancer Midheaven may cause many changes or at least some highs and lows in their career. They need a career where they can connect with those they work with, and use their intuition. They like to feel respected and responsible. They are very sensitive regarding their reputation and standing. They do well in a career that serves the public in some fashion.

Cancer Midheaven may find themselves the center of attention, either on purpose or by accident. They may become famous or infamous, depending on the circumstances. Careers in lecturing, politics, or other public office may beckon. They identify strongly with their career and reputation. They may enter a family business or work with women, babies, food, housing or retail. Healing, pediatrics, education, or social work may be fulfilling.

The Cancer Midheaven is trustworthy and likeable, which helps them network efficiently. They often mentor others. Many with this sign ended up parenting themselves in some form, facing the world without the proper preparation. They may be easily bruised socially. Even so, once they find their niche that speaks to them, they are ambitious. The one thing that can stand in their way is their hesitancy. They may make a nice big stride, then get frightened and insecure and backtrack for a while. Change may be difficult for them personally, while they may be the catalyst for change in those around them.

Those with a Midheaven in Cancer long for stability, but must instigate the change in their circumstances, which causes instability. It is a constant battle for them due to their Watery nature. Overall, it is more important that they connect with their career somehow rather than seek optimal success. It is these connections that provide them with the stability they seek. http://www.alwaysastrology.com/cancer-midheaven.html


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posted March 12, 2012 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 13, 2012 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
your mars is certainly parallel Uranus, as they both have the same declination (appr. 23.30 South).
That is basically what you are looking at, if they are roughly at the same declination. If both are S, or both are N, it is called "parallel". If one is S(outh) and one is N(orth), it is called a contraparallel.
TRaditionally parallels are likened to conjunctions and contraparallels are likened to oppositions, though I cannot support that from my own observation. If contraparallels are like oppositions, then they are REALLY mild.

orb for parallels / contraparallels is about 1 degree, though several astrologers recommend a "sliding scale", as the amount of time each planet spends at a certain declination is VERY different.
In the extreme declinations of about 23° planets are moving VERY slowly, so some astrologers recommend an orb well under one degree, while the orb may be wider than one degree, the closer one gets to 00°.
Personally I use one degree as a rough guideline.


Ah! thankyu! I think i'm kinda understanding these parallels better! So this means mars gets some boost by being parallel conjunct to uranus?

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posted March 13, 2012 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tofu addict:
You have a very interesting chart, the looks of it.
I must say the orbs are very wide, wider than i would use myself,
By example , there is a Saturn Venus conjunction charted, but the orb is apr. 10 degrees, i personally would not count that as conjunction, 6 to 8 degrees at the most if it are not luminaries.
So from that point of view, than you could say that your Sun and Venus are only making an aspect with each other, a close conjunction, called a duet, they are looked upon as unaspected as well, just can help each other out .
Do you fee that they could be unaspected?
The question of wideness of orbs is always debatable, and there are several schools of thought about it, maybe you feel that your Saturn is conjunct venus, i would like to know your view and experience on it.

I did not look at parallel aspects, my software is kicking up.


thankyu!
and yes i realised that i didn't put up a chart with 85% orb like Saggi has suggested to me. Buuut i figured since i put the aspect chart up that yu guys would see how far apart things were anyway .
Honestly, i don't really understand when people say they 'feel' this or that aspect. I mean i can kinda understand feeling my sun and moon sign but beyond those simple things i cant say for sure whether or not i 'feel' specific aspects; conjunctions or oppositions etc... My venus is retro though which i've heard is a terrible horrid putrid thing. Well i was reading bout venus conj. saturn, and i mean i can sorta relate to some of those things, but those things can also be due to other aspects in my chart such as my moon and retro venus. So i suppose i'll say no i don't really 'feel' the saturn conj. my venus and if i do feel it, its weak and overshadowed by other aspects.

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posted March 13, 2012 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for explaination, your venus is in Capricorn, so that would kind of have some behavious of Venus conjunct Saturn, so it could be indeed difficult to differantiate( excuse my spelling).

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posted March 13, 2012 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tofu addict:
Thank you for explaination, your venus is in Capricorn, so that would kind of have some behavious of Venus conjunct Saturn, so it could be indeed difficult to differantiate( excuse my spelling).

oh! yur welcome! hm i hadn't thought of that! since yea saturn is ruler of cap.

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posted March 13, 2012 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To Saggi:
Well i dont even know where to begin almost lol. Thanks for the links and such! I read some definitions concerning my aspects but now i need to understand how they all work together.

So would jupiter retro as my handle, being influential over everything, be a bad thing even though it is exalted in Cancer??? Career-wise i don't know WHAT to do. Im very unsure about it all. I'm 22 so I should know what to be! I guess food and travel (out of yur list) catch my interest. The whole thing about fear of the unknown being a recurring theme in what i read about my aspects seems to coincide with how i feel. Like i WANT to do things so badly but I cant push myself to do them because im unsure. I don't want to do soemthing then mess up at it! I know you cant be perfect but when that thought of 'messing up' gets in my head i get unmotivated and lose interest. This not doing anything could be due to my 'sorta unaspected' mars though too. @_@ there's just so many little things in astrology and once yu think yu got it something else pops up!

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posted March 13, 2012 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by L0veLess:
To Saggi:
Well i dont even know where to begin almost lol. Thanks for the links and such! I read some definitions concerning my aspects but now i need to understand how they all work together.

So would jupiter retro as my handle, being influential over everything, be a bad thing even though it is exalted in Cancer??? Career-wise i don't know WHAT to do. Im very unsure about it all. I'm 22 so I should know what to be! I guess food and travel (out of yur list) catch my interest. The whole thing about fear of the unknown being a recurring theme in what i read about my aspects seems to coincide with how i feel. Like i WANT to do things so badly but I cant push myself to do them because im unsure. I don't want to do soemthing then mess up at it! I know you cant be perfect but when that thought of 'messing up' gets in my head i get unmotivated and lose interest. This not doing anything could be due to my 'sorta unaspected' mars though too. @_@ there's just so many little things in astrology and once yu think yu got it something else pops up!


Jupiter being exalted is good, BUT it's afflicted by going backwards, so it more less cancels out the benefit if you like.

Doesn't matter you don't know what you want to do at 22, some people don't know what they want to do until first saturn return at 27-30 even...LOL

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Venus retro can swing from ignoring your appearances or perhaps'letting yourself go a little' to going OTT with hair, clothes, going out etc.

Jupiter retro (which I have) tends to make someone less sociable.

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posted March 13, 2012 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn return what???? @_@
Also,
I can see how some of those retrograde definitions relate to me a bit.

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posted March 14, 2012 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by L0veLess:
Saturn return what???? @_@
Also,
I can see how some of those retrograde definitions relate to me a bit.

Saturn Return
Saturn takes 30 years or so to complete its circuit around the zodiac so events that occur around the age of 29-30, 58-59 and 84-87 will be of great significance to the native, depending on the strength and aspects to natal saturn. http://www.newage-directory.com/saturn.html http://www.astrologycom.com/saturn.html http://www.saturnreturn.net/what_is.html http://www.examiner.com/x-2766-Atlan...-Saturn-return http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/dysfunctional-saturn http://www.skyscript.co.uk/saturn.html http://www.skyscript.co.uk/saturn_att.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_return http://www.newage-directory.com/saturn.html http://astrology.about.com/od/advanc...turnReturn.htm http://www.aquariuspapers.com/astrol...turn_retu.html http://rudhyar.com/beautyofaging.shtml http://www.insiderreports.com/storyp...oryID=20011993 http://ancientsky.com/index.php?opti...d=25&Itemid=49 http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...m=10&ct=result http://www.lifescript.com/Soul/Horos...aking_Out.aspx http://www.ancientsky.com/parker/parker_2ndSaturn.htm http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=11903 http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ead.php?t=5884 http://www.bemyastrologer.com/saturn..._in_virgo.html

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posted March 14, 2012 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gah thanks!

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