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posted March 12, 2012 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cat lover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Does anyone know much about Lilith conjunctions or trines in synastry aspects between two people.

I have Lilith in Aries conjunct his Sun and mars

He has Lilith in Aquarius conjunct my Venus and mercury

Would you say there is meant to be alot of sexual attraction between us?! what are Lilith conjunctions and trine aspects supposed to bring to the connection between two people? thx

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posted March 12, 2012 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to know too.

There is this one guy who I really enjoy talking with his Mercury conjuncts my Lilith.

Another guy that I've known for a while...who I'm in and out of touch with has his Venus trine my Lilith.

I would really like to know an interpretation for these. =D

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I don't use lillith in synastry and am no expert but of course can give you some research links..

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Interpreting Lilith
"During my years of astrological practice, I have come to use the Dark Moon in all my chart analyses, as a complement to interpretating the Moon. It would never occur to me to neglect this influence. The Dark Moon describes our relationship to the absolute, to sacrifice as such, and shows how we let go. In transit, the Dark Moon indicates some form of castration or frustration, frequently in the areas of desire, a powerlessness of the psyche, or a general inhibition. On the other hand, it shows where we question ourselves, our lives, our jobs, and our beliefs. I feel this is important, since it gives us the opportunity to "let go" of something. The Dark Moon shows where we can let the Whole flow into our selves, without putting an "I" in the way, without putting up a wall in the form of ego. At the same time, it doesn't indicate passivity - on the contrary - it symbolizes the firm will to be open and trusting, to let the Greater World flow through one, relying entirely on the great laws of the universe, on that which we name God. To prepare us for this opening, the Dark Moon creates a necessary void."
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/lilith-dark-moon.html

Aries - Lilith in Aries is straight-forward about her sexuality and may use it to feel powerful. Applied in a negative manner, there may be temper tantrums or bratty behavior.
Taurus - Lilith in Taurus may hide money or possessions, and there will be a great deal of secrecy regarding finances. This can also indicate miserliness, or a refusal to share one's resources with others.
Gemini - When Lilith hides herself among the twins, she may exhibit a chameleon-like ability to be whoever she must be at the moment, hiding her true thoughts and feelings. If used improperly, the native may be considered "two-faced" or be a vicious gossip.
Cancer - Hidden emotions may come out in ways that affect the physical health. When expressed in ways that are healthy, Lilith's influence here makes the native a powerful parent, or an activist for the protection of children. When negative, there may be chronic or psychomatic illness, or the tendency toward martyrdom.
Leo - Lilith in Leo wants to be admired, but she'll never admit it. In creative expression, she will do things her own way and never feel obliged to explain herself. Taken to extremes, she becomes the prima donna, demanding and unforgiving.
Virgo - Lilith in Virgo will often make the native very secretive or repressed in their sexual expression, and there will be much attention to hygiene and health-related details. When negative, Lilith in Virgo can be very cold and aloof, or extremely critical of the habits of others.
Libra - Lilith in Libra may find herself concerned with the legalistic side of power. She is a defender of women here, supportive of laws that curtail abuse or sexual crimes. Taken to extremes, Lilith in Libra may be vindictive against those she perceives to be offenders, and in relationships may be clinging, jealous or manipulative.
Scorpio - There are some astrologers who believe that Lilith is the co-ruler of Scorpio, along with Pluto. When placed here, she is powerfully sexual, hypnotic, seductive and wise. When under a negative influence, she can become bitter, vengeful or obsessed.
Sagittarius - Lilith in Sagittarius may hide her emotions beneath a facade of humor or a mask of "niceness." She may keep her personal philosophies secret from others, keeping her own counsel. In the negative, this placement can indicate haughtiness, self-righteousness, and prejudice.
Capricorn - Lilith in Capricorn will hardly ever share any emotions, and these natives may seem unapproachable. Achievement and status will be the method employed to feed the hidden need for emotional contact. At its extremes, here is the anal retentive who must control everything.
Aquarius - Lilith in Aquarius will probably mask the hidden emotions with a series of ever-changing kaleidoscopic surface emotions, and will seem fascinating and elusive to others. The native may be chimerical, fluttering like a fairy from one situation to the next. At its worst, Lilith in Aquarius is irresponsible, remote, and refuses to listen to others.
Pisces - Lilith is already secretive, and doubly so in Pisces. This is usually the person who has emotional wounding buried so deeply that they don't even know it themselves. Lilith's placement here may instigate behaviors which even the native finds baffling, and is often associated with passive-aggressive and unconscious behavioral patterns.
By making peace with and embracing our own darkest emotions, we can integrate ourselves. Lilith is one of the keys in astrology which can help us attain that goal. http://www.angelfire.com/az/zodiacenterprises/LILART.html http://www.astrotherapy.eu/BlackMoon.htm http://www.angelfire.com/az/zodiacenterprises/LILART.html http://www.valkyrieastrology.com/Makeover/asteroids/lilith.html http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2291
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/lilith-dark-moon.html http://www.astrologyalive.com/LilithSPEAKS.html http://www.heliastar.com/triplegoddess.html#blackmoon http://www.sria.org/lilith_demon.htm http://www.horoscope-picks.com/myblog.html
http://sanjaperic.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/lilith-in-aquarius/

According to astrologer, Donna Van Toen, the house where Asteroid 1181 resides in your natal chart is the first place to look for a persistent unwillingness to be subservient; I have found this to be an accurate interpretation.
1st House: Fierce independence to the point of not being able to accept direction from anyone else would the hallmark of this placement.
2nd House: Being self-employed would be highly likely since working for someone else would be just too annoying.
3rd House: Making up your own mind without interference would be essential. Being pushed around by siblings or neighbors would also be entirely unacceptable, regardless of the consequences.
4th House: Being told what to do with regard to your home life or even household chores would be an intolerable offense.
5th House: Romance, raising your children, how you enjoy yourself and any speculative ventures would not be parts of life where you would accept any sort of advice or direction.
6th: Working independently would be essential. You would also have a problem with healthcare professionals who tried to tell you what to do.
7th: Being told what to do by those close to you would be unacceptable. You would have to be in charge of all relationships, taking orders from no one.
8th: Being subservient with regard to sex would not work for you, likewise owing other people money.
9th: Your view of the world, including your political, religious and philosophical beliefs, would not be negotiable. Attaining a college education could be greatly impaired because accepting direction from professors and instructors would be extremely difficult.
10th: Submission to public figures and their policies, or authority figures in general would be unlikely. Your expression of this influence could land you in jail for a simple traffic ticket.
11th: You might enjoy your friends and group activities, but only on your own terms. Being in complete control would be essential. Attaining your personal goals would never involve networking or schmoozing of any sort.
12th: Being subject to any sort of institution such as a hospital or, heaven forbid, prison, would be intolerable, in spite of all the logic in the world. This is already the house of self-undoing, Lilith in the form of Asteroid 1181 putting that inclination on steroids.
As always, when retrograde motion is involved it will internalize the energy and make it harder to express and release. For example, individuals with Chiron retrograde find it harder to process their hurts and wounds and will nurse and obsess on them for years. Women with Asteroid 1181 retrograde can ultimately go critical like the uranium in a nuclear bomb, as illustrated by the two examples included in the "Psycho Bitches from Hell" section below.
Dark Moon Lilith, that mysterious, unconfirmed second satellite of the Earth, could represent that normally suppressed part of us that leaks out occasionally. Just as Dark Moon Lilith has only shown her face to a select few, this could represent that side of us that we only reveal in isolated moments of intimacy. This Lilith could be manifested through such things as ripping your lover's back to shreds with your fingernails during a screaming orgasm, then compassionately treating it with hydrogen peroxide when sanity returns.

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posted March 12, 2012 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had Lilith conjunct someone's Sun. There are no words to describe it maybe except maybe that you can't breathe

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posted March 12, 2012 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lava Flower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought that the true Black Moon Lilith was h13. The vortex..

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posted March 12, 2012 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cat lover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I had Lilith conjunct someone's Sun. There are no words to describe it maybe except maybe that you can't breathe


I have this aspect with someone but its just too wierd. I am the Lilith person and i get the feeling he's scared and attracted to me at the same time!

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posted March 13, 2012 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have this aspect with someone but its just too wierd. I am the Lilith person and i get the feeling he's scared and attracted to me at the same time!

That sums the Black Moon up pretty well.

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I have this aspect with someone but its just too wierd. I am the Lilith person and i get the feeling he's scared and attracted to me at the same time!

LOL he's lame :P

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"Black Moon Lilith
Perhaps the most subtle and intriguing of the three Liliths, Black Moon is not a physical body but an abstract, geometrical point, like the Ascendant or the Vertex. It is the second center of the Moon¹s elliptical orbit around the Earth. An ellipse has two centers, rather than one like perfect circle. The Earth is one center and Black Moon Lilith is the other. Another way to describe this point is as the apogee of the Moon¹s orbit--the place where it is the farthest from Earth.
The center of gravity between the Earth and Moon is inside the Earth. As part of the Earth-Moon system, Black Moon is a point or energetic vortex intimately bound to the center of the Earth. Black Moon and Earth are the two centers or the double center, around which the Moon orbits. Lilith is a twin to the core energy of the Earth, the deep heart of fire. This is the central fire that feeds and sustains our Earth bodies. The creative vitality of the Sun gives life to the Earth and fuels this central core fire. The center of gravity between the Moon and Earth is within the Earth. It is as if Black Moon pulls away from that center and brings the Moon closer to the Sun, Black Moon being the furthest point of the Moon from Earth.

Psychologist Robert Sardello, author of Facing the World with Soul, tells a story of Sophia, the feminine divine essence, always seeking union with the Spirit of God. The light of God was so brilliant, she was moving toward that, attracted to it. Then she was distracted by an equally bright light. She found herself trapped inside Earth, incarnated in physical matter, that is equally as divine. This central flame is the heart of Earth and sustains the spiritual life of Earth, as the materiality of earth nurtures and sustains our bodies. This flame reaches out from the center of Earth through all living beings, ever longing to merge with the Spirit of God. Found in the darkness, we seek her in the deepest recesses of our Selves. This is the impulse for the sacred inner marriage.

As a center point of the Moon¹s orbit, Black Moon Lilith works in relationship with the Earth-Moon system and with the Sun. As a second center of reference, she gives a sense of rhythm to the Earth, taking the dynamics of relationship beyond the personal Moon-Venus energies into subtle dimensions that are essential to our reasons for being on and of Earth. Representing the closest reach of the Moon to the Sun, she is also a reference point in our personal lives that brings us into relationship with the heart of our Sun-fueled experience on Earth, an emotional intelligence informed by the wisdom of earthy instinct. Since our culture has lost, even rejected as Lilith was rejected, this kind of natural wisdom is more difficult to tap into and trust.

In this regard, Black Moon Lilith can have a strong impact of relationship dynamics. Relationships that involve Lilith energy are initiatory, soul-to-soul meetings that open into a deeper center where personal and impersonal experience merge. Can we trust this energy that is unraveling our edges, tapping into such a deep well? Can we trust ourselves?
The Black Moon point is where we are lured into the mystery. She insists that we feel through, let go, surrender to something essential and transparent in us that is primary, the bedrock beneath the shifting sands, the passion of the soul. It is a corridor into the heart through which we are lured to discover our deepest truth, the longings and yearnings of our souls and thereby leading us to the deeper truth within our heart, the longings and yearnings of our souls.

In Unremembered Country, Susan Griffin beautifully articulates the essence of this core energy:
As I go into the Earth, she pierces my heart. As I penetrate further, she unveils me. When I have reached her center, I am weeping openly. I have known her all my life, yet she reveals stories to me, and these stories are revelations and I am transformed. Each time I go to her I am born like this. Her renewal washes over me endlessly, her wounds caress me; I become aware of all that has come between us, of the noise between us, the blindness, of something sleeping between us. Now my body reaches out to her.

Black Moon symbolizes a central motivating factor that is subtle, unseen but felt. This Lilith taps into an urgent desire of the soul that seeks dramatization in life and will brook no denial. In a time such as ours of potent change, the Black Moon, with its underlying creative life force and spiritual impulse, illumines the inner pathway with the most heart for each seeker of Truth and Love." http://www.heliastar.com/triplegoddess.html

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I have BML conjunct someone's Venus in Pisces in my 5th house. I don't like him anymore. I was full of butterflies when Uranus was all over the conjunction. If it's square my valentine, then it opposes his.

I think I have it square Valentine, as well - which would explain quite a bit. I'm not soft and yielding - I'm polite and shy, but I'm not easily trusting. I'm not a big fan of most men, and I wish that that were different. On the other hand, I'm not impressed with some women, either.

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Originally posted by teasel:
I have BML conjunct someone's Venus in Pisces in my 5th house. I don't like him anymore. I was full of butterflies when Uranus was all over the conjunction. If it's square my valentine, then it opposes his.

I think I have it square Valentine, as well - which would explain quite a bit. I'm not soft and yielding - I'm polite and shy, but I'm not easily trusting. I'm not a big fan of most men, and I wish that that were different. On the other hand, I'm not impressed with some women, either.



Have you ever looked at your whole asteroid profile Teasel. I am sure I have asked you this before. Do you have Sedna prominent? You know what? I bet someone who hurt you had his Ixiion on one of your personal planets such as Moon or Venus.I am thinking Venus. Ixxion is lawlessness.


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posted March 13, 2012 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where is your Kaali and Hekate too if you care to look?

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Asteroid Kaali Conjunct Anything
By amiann | Published: February 3, 2012 |

The asteroid Kaali is our Kundalini energy. If Kaali touches an asteroid or a planet, it is as if we are wedded. I am thinking that Kaali is one of the most significant asteroids in the chart, if it conjuncts something. Think of your own energy. It is so close to you, closer than any part of you. It is your essence. I do Kundalini yoga. It is very powerful. It is said to be able to heal disease, as disease cannot live in the presence of oxygen. The Kundalini breath infuses one with oxygen. At any rate, one’s Kundalini energy is very influential and very primal. If it were to be linked to an asteroid such as Chiron, which is the wound which never heals, you can imagine the burden a person would carry. If it were conjunct Pluto, the person would be powerful. If conjunct Nessus, the person would want to abuse. He may not, actually, abuse, but it would be a very hard struggle. If it were conjunct Lilith, the persons raw sexuality would be worn more on the outside, than the inside. You can take any asteroid or planet and amp up the wattage of it 1000%. That is what the person with Kaali conjunct that planet or asteroid would feel, in my opinion.

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Asteroid Ixiion Makes “Lawless” What it Touches
By amiann | Published: January 18, 2012 |

The asteroid Ixiion is complete lawlessness with no care for the outcome. When it touches an asteroid such as Lilith, which is raw sexuality, or Nessus which is abuse/obsession, you can imagine what havoc it may wreak. Xiion can touch any planet or asteroid. I am watching it, in the charts, to see what I may find. Please, share any information you may have. I think there is a wealth of information in this asteroid

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posted March 13, 2012 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry to hijack this thread which I realized I did. Teasel and I can talk on another thread if she cares to. I am sorry!

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posted March 13, 2012 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll have to look later, Ami. If I do, I'll post in Personal Readings for you.

I was being told last week, by my mother, that you just put up with certain things to get along. When things reach a certain point, I don't. I don't like my feelings being invalidated, I don't appreciate being shamed and punished for the behaviour of a man (unwanted behaviour at that). I don't fall at their feet, I stand up against them, and apparently that's a bad thing.

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what about a man's saturn-lilith conjunction opposite a woman's sun?

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Originally posted by teasel:

I was being told last week, by my mother, that you just put up with certain things to get along. When things reach a certain point, I don't. I don't like my feelings being invalidated, I don't appreciate being shamed and punished for the behaviour of a man (unwanted behaviour at that). I don't fall at their feet, I stand up against them, and apparently that's a bad thing.


Actually sounds like a variation of Lilith`s story.


KAALI and BML certainly share some similiarities, as in their relation to Kundalini and primal instinctual emotions, that often are not accepted by society.

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Yeh he is lame, i'm getting just about sick of him actually, he's too draining like i put to much effort in but never get anything back!

Hey this is the first time i've heard about asteroids like Sedna, lxxion, kaali, Nessus, and hekate. Where can i found out in which signs mine reside? Know any good astrology chart websites that show these aspects?

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What would Lilith conjunct someone's Moon and Pluto mean? His Lilith also conjuncts my Moon.

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Yes, I would defnitely say that lilith contacts add a very strong sexual attraction against all taboos. With my SO I have lilith conjunction double whammmy - his lilith conjunct my venus; my lilith conjunct his uranus/pluto - without any hard pluto synastry aspects. Only his uranus trining my venus is also a sexual attraction factor.
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I would like to know too.

There is this one guy who I really enjoy talking with his Mercury conjuncts my Lilith.

Another guy that I've known for a while...who I'm in and out of touch with has his Venus trine my Lilith.

I would really like to know an interpretation for these. =D


Yeah I realize with the guy I really like I also have my Lilith conjunct his Sun. and my bml conjuncts his Pluto.

and I feel like the other guy is attracted but also afraid of me.

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Asteroid Kaali Conjunct Anything
By amiann | Published: February 3, 2012 |

The asteroid Kaali is our Kundalini energy. If Kaali touches an asteroid or a planet, it is as if we are wedded. I am thinking that Kaali is one of the most significant asteroids in the chart, if it conjuncts something. Think of your own energy. It is so close to you, closer than any part of you. It is your essence. I do Kundalini yoga. It is very powerful. It is said to be able to heal disease, as disease cannot live in the presence of oxygen. The Kundalini breath infuses one with oxygen. At any rate, one’s Kundalini energy is very influential and very primal. If it were to be linked to an asteroid such as Chiron, which is the wound which never heals, you can imagine the burden a person would carry. If it were conjunct Pluto, the person would be powerful. If conjunct Nessus, the person would want to abuse. He may not, actually, abuse, but it would be a very hard struggle. If it were conjunct Lilith, the persons raw sexuality would be worn more on the outside, than the inside. You can take any asteroid or planet and amp up the wattage of it 1000%. That is what the person with Kaali conjunct that planet or asteroid would feel, in my opinion.


That's very interesting. I've just checked and mine conjuncts my ASC exact at 9 deg Virgo!

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moving to Asteroid Astrology

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