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12thhouser
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posted March 17, 2012 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There seems to be a LOT of confusion of other threads on this topic, about whether the "planet person" feels the effect or the "house person" does. Here's a great site that shows who feels what with each planet in each house:
http://www.skyviewzone.com/lovematch/sunsynastryhouse.htm

choose your planet on the right hand column under "Synastry by House."

Personally, I know someone whose Neptune is in my 10th house (natally, my 10th is empty), but their Neptune is basically conjunct my MC. At first I thought that meant I idealized the person, but now I realize it's the other way around. I don't know their birth time, so I won't know their house placements, and which house in their chart my Neptune would occupy and therefore idealize them. For a while I thought that meant I idealized that person (I envied their advancement in their career, but didn't idealize them as a person-MC) but it could simply be I idealize wherever my Neptune lands in their chart (which could also be near their MC for all I know). It kind of makes sense about Neptune as a whole for idealization. Not to brag, but it would explain why so many during my high school days tended to look up to me, as their Neptunes would all be around my MC, as I'm sure I probably looked up to others with house cusps similar to mine. Anyways, there you have it.

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posted March 17, 2012 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read time and time again that sometimes the planet person experiences the house person, and other times it's the other way round.

It seems that there are hardly any rules.

I like this article on cafeastrology: http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry_house_overlays.html

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posted March 17, 2012 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux R�ve:
I've read time and time again that sometimes the planet person experiences the house person, and other times it's the other way round.

It seems that there are hardly any rules.

I like this article on cafeastrology: http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry_house_overlays.html


True, both people can experience some effect of it, but I'd agree with others whose posts I've read....the emphasis of the feeling will definitely be on one person more so than the other. In my opinion, I find it's on the "planet person," as the house person provides the arena of experience for that planet. For me with the Neptune person hitting my MC in the 10th, I think they see me (as the site I linked indicates) as having a lot of potential where their ideals and ideas about what they could see me doing run wild. Kind of flattering. Like I said, I don't know their birth time to see how I'd idealize them.

Frankly, I found that article you linked a bit wordy and confusing (I've read it before), but I'll take another look. Thanks.

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posted March 17, 2012 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000OEXY9G/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1332013639&sr=8-1

Everything in this book is spot on for how I feel, and at least 9 readers agree.

I definitely feel my house being activated by someone's planet. For example, Pisces falls in my 6th and I find myself running their errands. :/ So no more Pisces for me, I want someone doing my errands and chores.

Anyone in here with Cap on/in their 6th?

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posted March 17, 2012 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000OEXY9G/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1332013639&sr=8-1

Everything in this book is spot on for how I feel, and at least 9 readers agree.

I definitely feel my house being activated by someone's planet. For example, Pisces falls in my 6th and I find myself running their errands. :/ So no more Pisces for me, I want someone doing stuff for me.

Anyone in here with Cap on/in their 6th?


Okay, thanks for the info, but I'm not going to buy the book, regardless of how many 5 and 4 star reviews it got.

Besides, it's not simply a matter of what sign hits your house(s), but what luminary or planet in that sign in that house does, and the effect that has.

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posted March 17, 2012 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:

Besides, it's not simply a matter of what sign hits your house(s), but what luminary or planet in that sign in that house does, and the effect that has.



Duh. So if someone has a Pisces Sun, that would activate my 6th House, which has Pisces on it. Just by them being their authentic self would activate the "servitude" part of my psyche.

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posted March 17, 2012 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:

I definitely feel my house being activated by someone's planet. For example, Pisces falls in my 6th and I find myself running their errands. :/ So no more Pisces for me, I want someone doing my errands and chores.


I agree with this.

I still think the house person feels the planet of the other person more. Because their planet affects *my* house, so the matters of that house will be highlighted for me. The planet person may or may not want to act on the matters of my house.
But, it can go both ways, definitely.

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posted March 17, 2012 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a example of two sites that don't seem to contradict each other completely, but the first site seems to indicate that the "planet person" will impact more the "house person," the second site indicating it's the other way around:
http://www.skyviewzone.com/lovematch/sunsynastryhouse.htm
http://www.astrologyfiles.com/synastry-house-overlays-sun/

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posted March 17, 2012 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree that there is no real cut and dry rule when it comes to this,but my experience is that whens ones planet falls in anothers house,the house person expects or wants the planet person to play that role,and the planet person can either play along or decline, for example: libra is on my 8th house cusp,so libra placements always fall in my 8th house and im very attracted to them,sometimes its a mutual thing,but being the house person i usually feel it stronger.

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posted March 17, 2012 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i agree that there is no real cut and dry rule when it comes to this,but my experience is that whens ones planet falls in anothers house,the house person expects or wants the planet person to play that role,and the planet person can either play along or decline, for example: libra is on my 8th house cusp,so libra placements always fall in my 8th house and im very attracted to them,sometimes its a mutual thing,but being the house person i usually feel it stronger.

Point noted, but consider that astrologers have regarded overlays as "permanent transits," aka, those placements are there to stay. So, it doesn't really seem to be "play or decline", in my opinion. Those overlays aren't going anywhere while the "planet person" and "house person" are together. I think you might be thinking of how the "house person" will feel once the "planet person" has left. While they're together, the planetary energy will always be there, where the "planet person" likes it or not.

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posted March 17, 2012 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Point noted, but consider that astrologers have regarded overlays as "permanent transits," aka, those placements are there to stay. So, it doesn't really seem to be "play or decline", in my opinion. Those overlays aren't going anywhere while the "planet person" and "house person" are together. I think you might be thinking of how the "house person" will feel once the "planet person" has left. While they're together, the planetary energy will always be there, where the "planet person" likes it or not.

i see what you mean, but from what i have seen the planet person affects the house person or causes certain feelings in them depending on what house it is, another example i dated a girl who had aquarius on her 5th house cusp,so my aqua sun and venus fell there, she viewed me as alot of fun and had romantic feelings for me and wanted me to have children with her. and in my chart sag is on my tenth house cusp and takes up all of my tenth and most of my eleventh, so when i meet sags they usually have 1 of 2 effects on me,either their planets fall in my 10th and i consider them boring or stuck up,or their planets fall in my 11th and i see them as alot of fun or as a great friend

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posted March 17, 2012 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Back to my original post, specifically the last paragraph regarding the person whose Neptune conjuncts my MC on the 10th house side (and not aspecting any of my planets), I read an example of of such a configuration (albeit from the 9th house side) about Prince Charles and Princess Diana. His Neptune/ Venus conjunction was in her 9th house, conjunct her MC. He idealized her beauty, so it appears his Neptune idealized her beauty in the public eye, not her idealizing him in the public eye. So yes, the "planet person" influences and the "house person" receives. I guess it can depends more on what area of the chart and specifically which planets are involved. Doesn't seem to be enough to say "someone's planets in my Cancer in the 7th affect in this way."

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posted March 17, 2012 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i see what you mean, but from what i have seen the planet person affects the house person or causes certain feelings in them depending on what house it is, another example i dated a girl who had aquarius on her 5th house cusp,so my aqua sun and venus fell there, she viewed me as alot of fun and had romantic feelings for me and wanted me to have children with her. and in my chart sag is on my tenth house cusp and takes up all of my tenth and most of my eleventh, so when i meet sags they usually have 1 of 2 effects on me,either their planets fall in my 10th and i consider them boring or stuck up,or their planets fall in my 11th and i see them as alot of fun or as a great friend

Right. I think the key here is what planets and/or luminaries are involved. Some may say, "what difference does it make?" The answer; everything. It's interesting that you mentioned about your Sun and Venus falling in her 5th house and she wanted the romance and children with you. I read on the Astrology (1.0?, I guess) forum on this site of someone who met a guy who had a bunch of planets (she didn't say which) fall in her 5th, yet rather than her want to have kids with him--as was the case in the girl with you--he actually wanted to have kids with her. The "planet person" not only activated her 5th house energy, but rather than her response 5th house style by wanting kids with him, he instead wanted them with her. Just when some headway seems to be made, a wrench gets thrown into the works. lol

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posted March 17, 2012 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing i wonder about with the person's Neptune conjunct my MC on the 10th house side, and not aspecting any of my planets.....still confused about who "idealizes" whom since I've read different interpretations on different sites. Regardless... if this person's Neptune doesn't aspect any of my planets, sun, or moon, what does that mean? That I'm actually not really affected by the person? Or that I (or they) may see them (or they see me) as unattainable/out of their league/ etc.? Thanks.

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posted March 17, 2012 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not a big fan of Neptune aspects anyway, so I think it's not that bad.

Neptune aspects can be very delusional, they make it seem like everything's perfect and you've found your soulmate, but then bitter reality strikes and things get ugly pretty quickly (at least with the hard aspects).

Sure, it may be helpful to have some good trines or sextiles to Neptune from one chart to the other, but I think it's better to have an unaspected Neptune than have it afflicted.

So the thing is, that you probably see each other quite clearly and aren't likely to overidealize each other.

If one of you is Neptunian though, that may be problematic simply because this connection may not satisfy you on a deep level. You may feel like something is missing.

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posted March 17, 2012 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i see so many threads on this 'who feels it more' question and my two cents is that both people feel it. and really, who cares who feels it more. in almost every synastry chart there will be other determining factors that will need to be examined, and one or two house overlays will not be the one thing that does/does not draw someone closer to another. just enjoy how YOU feel and move on from there :-)

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posted March 17, 2012 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great topic! I have wanted to discuss this!

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posted March 17, 2012 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux R�ve:
I'm not a big fan of Neptune aspects anyway, so I think it's not that bad.

Neptune aspects can be very delusional, they make it seem like everything's perfect and you've found your soulmate, but then bitter reality strikes and things get ugly pretty quickly (at least with the hard aspects).

Sure, it may be helpful to have some good trines or sextiles to Neptune from one chart to the other, but I think it's better to have an unaspected Neptune than have it afflicted.

So the thing is, that you probably see each other quite clearly and aren't likely to overidealize each other.

If one of you is Neptunian though, that may be problematic simply because this connection may not satisfy you on a deep level. You may feel like something is missing.


Well, the thing is, the other person (whose Neptune conjuncts my MC) is a Pisces Sun (and has Mercury in Pisces). I, on the other hand, have Pisces rising (but an Aquarius Sun, although I do have Venus and Jupiter in Pisces). Like I said, their Neptune doesn't aspect any of my planets (a friend of mine thought that might mean there isn't much idealization on my part toward him happening then. In fact, my friend thought I might be idealizing him when such idealization isn't justified since it's an unaspected Neptune), but my Neptune does aspect their Venus by sextile. My friend thought that would mean the other person sees me in an inspirational but not necessarily an idealized way. I'm just looking for others' opinions, since my friend, while well-meaning, was kind of fuzzy in his own interpretations on all of this. I hope this clarification helps you. Any else you could provide me with? Thanks.

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posted March 17, 2012 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starmoon:
i see so many threads on this 'who feels it more' question and my two cents is that both people feel it. and really, who cares who feels it more. in almost every synastry chart there will be other determining factors that will need to be examined, and one or two house overlays will not be the one thing that does/does not draw someone closer to another. just enjoy how YOU feel and move on from there :-)

I understand, starmoon. The thing is, I feel like I'd rather not idealize anyone. That's why I'm asking. I prefer to inspire (also Neptune) others. I've experienced people idealizing me, and although it's flattering to hear about, the ones in the past who idealized me have had issues. I guess I'm really just trying to get down to brass tacks here. I understand that the experience is shared, but I'd like a non-conflicting breakdown of things. Since I've read conflicting interpretations on astrology sites, I'm just confused.

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posted March 17, 2012 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's another example of conflicting reports, this time with the other person's Sun in my 1st house.

One site's interpretation:
"When your romantic partner’s Sun is in your first house, your sense of self can get muddled up. Your partner has many of the qualities that you desire to emulate. You are likely to experience the feeling that you are more or less confident in yourself and your relationship according to your relationship partner’s opinions about you."

Another site's interpretation:
"The sun person aspires to the qualities that are very obvious in the first house person, who is probably not aware of them, or takes them for granted. What the sun person thinks, the ascendant person does, quite automatically."

These interpretations appear to contradict each other, which I feel is significant. This is why I'd appreciate a breakdown of the experience, rather than believing it's nothing more than shared.

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posted March 18, 2012 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
house overlays and MUCH more are here...

Basic astrology forum, How to approach Synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000667.html
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posted March 18, 2012 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
There seems to be a LOT of confusion of other threads on this topic, about whether the "planet person" feels the effect or the "house person" does. Here's a great site that shows who feels what with each planet in each house:

Personally, I know someone whose Neptune is in my 10th house (natally, my 10th is empty), but their Neptune is basically conjunct my MC.

At first I thought that meant I idealized the person, but now I realize it's the other way around. I don't know their birth time, so I won't know their house placements, and which house in their chart my Neptune would occupy and therefore idealize them. For a while I thought that meant I idealized that person (I envied their advancement in their career, but didn't idealize them as a person-MC) but it could simply be I idealize wherever my Neptune lands in their chart (which could also be near their MC for all I know). It kind of makes sense about Neptune as a whole for idealization. Not to brag, but it would explain why so many during my high school days tended to look up to me, as their Neptunes would all be around my MC, as I'm sure I probably looked up to others with house cusps similar to mine. Anyways, there you have it.



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Their Neptune conjunct your Midheaven: If this is a boss or parent, you may very well idolize them for their inspirations and visionary/spiritual qualities, yet become an enabler for their worst flaws.
If you cover for their addictions or other failings, you may wind up being the scapegoat who gets the blame when things go bad. Accountability is a foreign concept to them. Run, Bambi! http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/the-midheaven-in-synastry% E2%80%94meaningful-career-connections/


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posted March 18, 2012 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, came across some very interesting info from the book, “The Astrological Neptune” by Liz Greene regarding synastry overlays, specifically on the angles. The passage I found dealt informatively with Neptune on the angles, talking specifically about Neptune on the Midheaven:

“When one person’s Neptune aspects any of the angles of another person’s chart—particularly by conjunction—Neptune may idealise the physical reality of the other person… the angles of the chart do not, however, express their own energies in response. They receive Neptune’s longing like a lightning rod. The individual whose Midheaven is receptive to Neptune’s dreams may embody those dreams… but he or she may also feel undermined and confused by Neptune’s idealizations…”

So, in other words, if Person A has planets conjunct Person B’s angles, and from other parts of the book and sites I’ve recently come across have said, most notably the Midheaven and Ascendant, person B doesn’t just receive “house” those planets’ energies, person B appears to embody them from person A.

So, in my case and the other person I know whose Neptune conjuncts my Midheaven and does not aspect any of my planets, this person also has their Pisces Sun in my 1st house fairly near my ascendant line (another angle), it looks like I may do double duty for embodying those energies. I read that when person A’s Sun is in person B’s 1st house, person B tends to embody what person A is striving to become. That it‘s automatic for person B. Now, this other person has their Sun and Neptune in square aspect, and as a friend told me, that could denote an inferiority complex, or at least tendencies, on their part. Considering I could embody that, I now wonder if when I though I was idealizing this person, if I was in fact simply taking on their inferiority complex and embodying that instead.

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