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Sabx0x
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posted March 18, 2012 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabx0x     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, I've been studying the composite charts between me and very close and important people in my life.

I found a bizarre and contradictory pattern in these charts in that I seem to constantly have Saturn tightly conjunct the Moon with the people I am closest too.

These people include my mother (the most important person in my life), my best friend from childhood, my ex boyfriend and my first deep sexual relationship with a man.

It is only with these four people have I ever been really close to and when I read the Saturn/Moon description, it reads as something debilitating and yet I seem to be drawn to them.

I suppose as time progresses I notice that maybe this aspect manifests in external ways because I have been massively let down by all of these people despite the deep emotional connections I have with them.

My mother had a stroke when I was 15 at a time when she was promising to leave my dad. I felt let down, guilty and held back by this. A Saturn-moon manifestation?

My best friend from childhood rarely contacts me, although this doesn't seem to affect our friendship. We're just very separate from each others lives. I do feel isolated sometimes.

My ex boyfriend led a very different life from me and I often felt like an outsider and uncomfortable in his lifestyle.

The man has been one of my best friends/confidantes for 6 years, even though we've only seen each other 5 times in person. We also live very separate lives and now he lives in a different continent. We were very close and there was a lot of love although he never seemed to have enough time to actually see me or include me in his life. I had my first sexual experience with him a few months before he moved. This entire relationship has left me feeling very lonely and isolated.

The question is, is it possible to be drawn to Saturn-conjunct-moon or generally negative Saturn-orientated relationships?

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posted March 18, 2012 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually like moon-saturn aspects in syanstry. Saturn has such a bad rap, but its the GLUE that binds you and its deeply karmic. My first x husband who I lost my virginity to and have now known 20 years, we are still very close friends, despite the divorce. We have moon square saturn 1* and moon oppose saturn 1* DW.

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Sabx0x
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posted March 18, 2012 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabx0x     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by scrappydog:
I actually like moon-saturn aspects in syanstry. Saturn has such a bad rap, but its the GLUE that binds you and its deeply karmic. My first x husband who I lost my virginity to and have now known 20 years, we are still very close friends, despite the divorce. We have moon square saturn 1* and moon oppose saturn 1* DW.

That's really interesting. I always have the "negative" Saturn aspects in the actual composite chart between me and these people, but the synastry has always been reasonably good. Except...

With the man I lost my virginity to I have his Venus in Scorpio square my Saturn in Aquarius synastry aspect. Our relationship is still pretty deep and to this day he tells me he will always care about me like he should he be there for me.

The only problem is... he was never really "there."

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posted March 18, 2012 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes venus and saturn are not one I really like in synastry or composite, im kind of attracted and turned off at the same time, one usually blows hot and cold or is actually cold towards the other. Sun saturn is restricting, but very binding, sometimes you just can Not get rid of these people even if you want to, lol. Moon saturn is just as binding as sun saturn, but a little less resrtictive though I believe they can depress the emotions of one or both...or there is dissapointment and hurt like you mentioned, but with other positive aspects they still often love eachother deeply even with the letdowns...

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Sabx0x
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posted March 18, 2012 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabx0x     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I'm in it for the long run then. As an individual, I do find that time is an important factor when it comes to love. I don't fall fast, but I fall hard and I definitely hold on for dear life.

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Doux RÍve
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posted March 18, 2012 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux RÍve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sabx0x, do you have a strong Saturn natally?
That would explain why you are attracted/attract Saturnian relationships.

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Sabx0x
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posted March 18, 2012 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabx0x     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux RÍve:
Sabx0x, do you have a strong Saturn natally?
That would explain why you are attracted/attract Saturnian relationships.

Here are my Saturn related aspects:
Very strong Saturn square Pluto (Scorpio)
Very strong Saturn sextile Moon (Aries)
Very strong Saturn Square Vertex (Scorpio)
Saturn sesquiquadrate Ascendant (Cancer)

I then have an interesting interchange. The ruler of my 7th house (Capricorn) is Saturn. That Saturn is located in the 9th house. The ruler of my 9th house (Aquarius) is Uranus and that is located in my 7th house.

In addition, the ruler of my midheaven (in Pisces) is in my 7th house. I'm not sure if it relates to Saturn but since it's the 10th house, it may be worth the mention?

The man himself had Saturn in Capricorn tightly conjunct my descendant.

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posted March 18, 2012 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabx0x     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had a computer-generated reading done from Astrotheme. It said my dominant planets are Moon, Neptune and Mercury. My dominant planets are Virgo, Aries and Capricorn.

I've also remembered that my mother's chart is like 85% Capricorn, and the remaining is Scorpio and Virgo.

What do you think of this?

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posted March 18, 2012 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux RÍve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I think the fact that Saturn is the ruler of your DSC says a lot.

It's probably one of the main reasons you attract Saturnian relationships, especially with a Moon-Saturn apsect since you have a sextile between those two natally.

If your dominant planets are Moon, Neptune and Mercury, you are probably an emotional person and can be quite idealistic, but at the same time, you have a strong intellect and are able to reason out your feelings.

But the most important part of a chart are still the aspects between the planets, I think. The signs kind of give you the background and the houses give you the area in which the aspects will manifest.

Maybe the Saturn-Moon conjunction you encounter in your close relationships is trying to tell you something, maybe you need to work on your own Saturn-Moon aspect natally (even though you have a sextile, which is an easy aspect).

Just a thought.

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posted March 18, 2012 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by scrappydog:
I actually like moon-saturn aspects in syanstry. Saturn has such a bad rap, but its the GLUE that binds you and its deeply karmic. My first x husband who I lost my virginity to and have now known 20 years, we are still very close friends, despite the divorce. We have moon square saturn 1* and moon oppose saturn 1* DW.

yes, it's the glue but it didn't last. There must have been times when your emotions were feeling unloved or isolated perhaps?

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posted March 18, 2012 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sabx0x:
Here are my Saturn related aspects:
Very strong Saturn square Pluto (Scorpio)
Very strong Saturn sextile Moon (Aries)
Very strong Saturn Square Vertex (Scorpio)
Saturn sesquiquadrate Ascendant (Cancer)

I then have an interesting interchange. The ruler of my 7th house (Capricorn) is Saturn. That Saturn is located in the 9th house. The ruler of my 9th house (Aquarius) is Uranus and that is located in my 7th house.

In addition, the ruler of my midheaven (in Pisces) is in my 7th house. I'm not sure if it relates to Saturn but since it's the 10th house, it may be worth the mention?

The man himself had Saturn in Capricorn tightly conjunct my descendant.


I would discount the sesquiquadrate aspect being too minor.
When you made this list I found it confusing. You mention 3planets
So is venus conj saturn and then square pluto?
The vertex aspect 'only' comes into play in synastry. On it's own in the natal owner it does very little. it could also suggest fated meeting with friends or business contacts, or connected to family members perhaps.

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posted March 18, 2012 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sabx0x:
I've had a computer-generated reading done from Astrotheme. It said my dominant planets are Moon, Neptune and Mercury. My dominant planets are Virgo, Aries and Capricorn.

I've also remembered that my mother's chart is like 85% Capricorn, and the remaining is Scorpio and Virgo.

What do you think of this?


I don't think *anything* without SEEING charts...LOL


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posted March 18, 2012 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sabxox,
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My mother had a stroke when I was 15 at a time when she was promising to leave my dad. I felt let down, guilty and held back by this. A Saturn-moon manifestation?

My best friend from childhood rarely contacts me, although this doesn't seem to affect our friendship. We're just very separate from each others lives. I do feel isolated sometimes.


To discuss your mother having a stroke is poss bit unlucky, but the only person holding you back is YOU. The only way to discuss this question is to post your chart, your mothers chart and progression and transits for the date she had this stroke.

losing childhood friends and leading separate lives is the natural growth of aperson and soul. prob has nothing to do with saturn or astrology either. If you feel isolated we need to evaluate your chart in PR forum. what do you have in 11th house, what sign is ruling it?

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My ex boyfriend led a very different life from me and I often felt like an outsider and uncomfortable in his lifestyle.


Well maybe next time you pick someone with a similar lifestyle. It was and is a *learning curve* for all of us, don't you think?

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posted March 18, 2012 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sabx0x:
I guess I'm in it for the long run then. As an individual, I do find that time is an important factor when it comes to love. I don't fall fast, but I fall hard and I definitely hold on for dear life.


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posted March 18, 2012 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabx0x     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
I would discount the sesquiquadrate aspect being too minor.
When you made this list I found it confusing. You mention 3planets
So is venus conj saturn and then square pluto?
The vertex aspect 'only' comes into play in synastry. On it's own in the natal owner it does very little. it could also suggest fated meeting with friends or business contacts, or connected to family members perhaps.

No, Venus isn't conjunct Saturn. It has no major aspects other than a NN trine.

Oh okay, I thought because my Vertex is tightly conjunct Pluto that it would matter natally.

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posted March 18, 2012 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabx0x     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SaggiMC:
I don't think *anything* without SEEING charts...LOL


Okay. My Chart

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posted March 18, 2012 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabx0x     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
sabxox,
To discuss your mother having a stroke is poss bit unlucky, but the only person holding you back is YOU. The only way to discuss this question is to post your chart, your mothers chart and progression and transits for the date she had this stroke.

No it's definitely bad luck. I didn't mean that everything could be explained by Moon-Saturn conjunction. I just wanted some insight into why it keeps popping up in close relationships when it's an alienating aspect. I usually read simple computer-generated reports and I don't know how to put it together. I know absolutely nothing about progression charts although I've heard of them. A progression/transit chart during the time of my mothers illness (and some help reading it) is something I would definitely be interested in. How can I get one?

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losing childhood friends and leading separate lives is the natural growth of aperson and soul. prob has nothing to do with saturn or astrology either. If you feel isolated we need to evaluate your chart in PR forum. what do you have in 11th house, what sign is ruling it?

I suppose, yeah. 11th house in Aries with my Moon in Aries in it...

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My ex boyfriend led a very different life from me and I often felt like an outsider and uncomfortable in his lifestyle.


Well maybe next time you pick someone with a similar lifestyle. It was and is a *learning curve* for all of us, don't you think?

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I know that. I was just wondering if the aspect could create an atmosphere like that.

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posted March 18, 2012 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux RÍve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon Saturn hard aspects often create an emotional barrier between two people, like a distance.. Sometimes both people want to get closer to each other but it's not possible due to external factors or their own insecurities. It's a difficult configuration to deal with, because it requires maturity and self-sufficiency, but it does bind people.

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posted March 18, 2012 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux RÍve:
Moon Saturn hard aspects often create an emotional barrier between two people, like a distance.. Sometimes both people want to get closer to each other but it's not possible due to external factors or their own insecurities. It's a difficult configuration to deal with, because it requires maturity and self-sufficiency, but it does bind people.

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