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Major Lifetheme Chart
Planet Lies On Virgo
/ Jupiter/ Saturn
Planet Lies On Libra
/ Mars/ Pluto


Planet In 1st House / Mars/ Pluto
Planet In 2nd House
Planet In 3rd House
Planet In 4th House
Planet In 5th House
Planet In 6th House
Planet In 7th House
Planet In 8th House
Planet In 9th House
Planet In 10th House
Planet In 11th House
Planet In 12th House / Jupiter/ Saturn


Planetary Details
Sun 07 Leo 02
Moon 23 Aqu 30
Mercury 17 Can 57
Venus 24 Gem 40
Mars 11 Lib 16
Jupiter 11 Vir 27
Saturn 24 Vir 07
Rahu 19 Leo 48
Ketu 19 Aqu 48
Ascendant 25 Vir 50
Other Details
Sun Sign Leo
Moon Sign Aquarius
Lagna Virgo

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Mars In First House
Characteristics Of Planet Mars :-
This is where your assertiveness and power will lie. But, depending which house all this extra force of power, anger and assertiveness lies can cause problems for you.

People here are likely to appear very strong, muscular as well as actually being very strong. They tend to be very assertive, dominant and very self confident.

Jupiter In Twelfth House
Characteristics Of Planet Jupiter :-
Where the house placement of Jupiter is where you are likely to think optimistically and positively about things.

These are people that aim to please. They usually do more then what is required from then and try to do things to please others. This does mean that they sometimes do things for others that they don't want to be done.

Saturn In Twelfth House
Characteristics Of Planet Saturn :-
This is where people are likely to encounter heavy obstacles. It is the planet of restrictions and limitations.

Their work tends to be under recognized and their subconscious doubts are likely to strongly affect their self confidence. They usually have a subconscious need for solitude and retreat.

Pluto In First House
Characteristics Of Planet Pluto :-
Pluto is a very powerful planet yet power struggles may occur

These people often have a magnetic personality yet are difficult people to get to know. They often crave power yet are not very good at conformity.

More About Houses

More About First House
Much can be determined about someone's personality from this house. This is the house of the self that influences one to assert his or her own individuality. This house refers to the external appearance, style and the image projected by the person. This house also indicates the rising sign or the ascendant. How someone connects himself with his surrounding in a non-verbal way can be defined by analyzing this house and the planets placed here. In astrology, this house ranks as the most vital house in the natal chart. It plays a significant role in shaping up the physical appearance, health, looks, head, face and complexion and early years of life.

More About Twelfth House
In Indian Astrology, this house is known as the 'Vyaysthana' or the house of expenses. This house signifies our psychic perceptions, hidden persona, karmic power and visions. This house signifies your outlook towards charity, sorrows or frustrations you have to deal with, clandestine affairs, disillusionment and realization of your limitations. Whether you will show prudence in investing money can also be defined from this house. This house also tells about after-life, reincarnation and memories of previous births. In human body, this house is associated with the left eye and feet.

Interpretation of Planet in Sign

Mars In Libra
Keywords : Pleasant, Sociable, Diplomatic

You never let your passion or heart to rule over your head. The need for assertion is somewhat muted by the position of Mars in this sign. You are very sociable by nature and very generous in your attitude and behavior. Your moves and decisions are often shaped by a craving for balance, harmony and fairness. You need emotional stimulation and a lot of inspiration from your partner to get things done.

Jupiter In Virgo
Keywords : Modest, Critical, Methodical

This placement of Jupiter gives mixed results. In one hand you will be idealist about your profession and initiate big projects only to leave them half-done in midway. You need to enhance your determination and tenacity to avoid such happenings. You will pursue a methodical, practical and cautious way to achieve your goal in life. Satisfaction in job is of paramount importance to you. Your sheer sarcasm and caustic manners can be hard on others.

Saturn In Virgo
Keywords : Modest, Critical, Methodical

Saturn placed in this sign makes you pragmatic, realistic and a far-sighted person. You are meticulous about details and hard-working. Nobody can reproach you regarding moral principles but sometimes you can be too sincere for your own good. Do not fret or stress on trivial matters. You can have problems regarding deciding on priority. Shun the tendency of being overtly critical or underestimating your capabilities.

Pluto In Libra
Keywords : Pleasant, Sociable, Diplomatic

The position of Pluto in Libra indicates too much reliance on the notions of balance and justice in any matter. You are diplomatic and even-tempered. When need arises, you can transform yourself at par with your values and requirements. You tend to strive for absolute perfection in everything. You can be furious if something or someone violates the rules of fairness.

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posted March 23, 2012 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun house/sign, MC sign, NN by sign/house, ASC ruler
Aspects to the nodes, trines add to ease of life path, squares are road bumps
Rulers of the nodes by sign house & aspect & what houses they rule
Stelliums by sign or house
Dispositor of stellium, Aries stellium, Mars in Capricorn, the Capricorn dictates how the Aries energy will be used
Patterns, Venus on MC trine NN, Saturn in Taurus in the 2nd, etc.

Here's the pattern/theme for Albert Fish,

Cancer IC/NN in the 4th (conj Uranus, sq Neptune)
IC Ruler Capricorn Moon in the 10th conj SN (opp Uranus, sq Neptune)
Uranus is H12 ruler of self undoing
-security of paramount importance but was sent to orphanage after his dad died, cancer/cap also throws in an age difference and his parents were possibly 43 yrs apart in age, with Uranus mental illness ran in his family, was beaten at orphanage and started to like the pain as shown by the sq to Nep in Aries and that's one reason he got messed up.

H8 Scorpio, ruler Pluto in Taurus conj H2 cusp (giving an outlet to an afflicted Moon)
H8 ruler Pluto conj ASC ruler Mars in Taurus
H2 Taurus, Sun in Taurus in the 2nd, Sun is H6 ruler of habits
-sexual urge gets tied up with death and consumption, #1 urge is to feed his appetite

Mercury in Gemini
Mercury in the 3rd
H3 Gemini
H3 ruler in the 3rd
-clever, quicksilver sort, this also throws in heavily the neighborhood and canvassing for young people, the age difference also shown w.the cancer/cap emphasis

Anyway I guess it could have manifested differently but when you look at house rulers it's too clear. He abducted kids, tortured them and then took a huge amount of pleasure in cooking their parts and consuming them. The sign of the outer planets are important here. The sq from Neptune in Aries glamorizing violence, Pluto in Taurus obsessed with the appetite/base desires.

From him,

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I brought him to the Riker Ave. dumps. There is a house that stands alone, not far from where I took him. I took the boy there. Stripped him naked and tied his hands and feet and gagged him with a piece of dirty rag I picked out of the dump. Then I burned his clothes. Threw his shoes in the dump. Then I walked back and took the trolley to 59 St. at 2 A.M. and walked from there home. Next day about 2 P.M., I took tools, a good heavy cat-of-nine tails. Home made. Short handle. Cut one of my belts in half, slit these halves in six strips about 8 inches long. I whipped his bare behind till the blood ran from his legs. I cut off his ears – nose – slit his mouth from ear to ear. Gouged out his eyes. He was dead then. I stuck the knife in his belly and held my mouth to his body and drank his blood. I picked up four old potato sacks and gathered a pile of stones. Then I cut him up. I had a grip with me. I put his nose, ears and a few slices of his belly in the grip. Then I cut him through the middle of his body. Just below the belly button. Then through his legs about 2 inches below his behind. I put this in my grip with a lot of paper. I cut off the head – feet – arms – hands and the legs below the knee. This I put in sacks weighed with stones, tied the ends and threw them into the pools of slimy water you will see all along the road going to North Beach. I came home with my meat. I had the front of his body I liked best. His monkey and pee wees and a nice little fat behind to roast in the oven and eat. I made a stew out of his ears – nose – pieces of his face and belly. I put onions, carrots, turnips, celery, salt and pepper. It was good. Then I split the cheeks of his behind open, cut off his monkey and pee wees and washed them first. I put strips of bacon on each cheek of his behind and put them in the oven. Then I picked 4 onions and when the meat had roasted about 1/4 hour, I poured about a pint of water over it for gravy and put in the onions. At frequent intervals I basted his behind with a wooden spoon. So the meat would be nice and juicy. In about 2 hours, it was nice and brown, cooked through. I never ate any roast turkey that tasted half as good as his sweet fat little behind did. I ate every bit of the meat in about four days. His little monkey was as sweet as a nut, but his pee-wees I could not chew. Threw them in the toilet.

That is how nasty Taurus/Scorpio can get folks. Do not underestimate the perversity of those signs.
That axis heavily figures in cannibalism, when they're placed in 2nd/8th and w.aggravating factors.

Anyway, you can see the pattern in the chart.

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Major Lifetheme Chart

Planet Lies On Virgo / Uranus/ Pluto
Planet Lies On Capricorn / Sun/ Mercury/ Mars
Planet Lies On Aquarius / Venus/ Saturn

Planet In 1st House
Planet In 2nd House
Planet In 3rd House
Planet In 4th House
Planet In 5th House
Planet In 6th House
Planet In 7th House / Uranus/ Pluto
Planet In 8th House
Planet In 9th House
Planet In 10th House
Planet In 11th House / Sun/ Mercury/ Mars
Planet In 12th House / Venus/ Saturn


Planetary Details
Sun 06 Cap 10
Moon 03 Gem 15
Mercury 20 Cap 57
Venus 05 Aqu 54
Mars 17 Cap 57
Jupiter 10 Ari 49
Saturn 20 Aqu 37
Rahu 10 Can 38
Ketu 10 Cap 38
Ascendant 05 Pis 55

Other Details
Sun Sign Capricorn
Moon Sign Gemini
Lagna Pisces
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Your Midheaven Sign :- Capricorn

Often tagged as perfectionists, Capricorn Midheaven people have an insatiable urge for power, authority and status. They are confident and self-reliant individuals who do not hesitate to lend a helping hand to others in need. Composed and determined, they undertake tasks after much calculation and perform seriously as to leave no loopholes. Do not go for the detached and self-absorbed exterior that can be misleading. Underneath, they can be loving, caring and truly sympathetic. Capricorn Midheaven people like to keep themselves open to all kinds of possibilities and go for anything that clicks. Some suitable career routes for them are real estate, politics, agriculture, healthcare industry, homeopathy and civil service.

Sun In Eleventh House
Characteristics Of Planet Sun :-
He can be good or evil depending upon the planets in configuration with him. The sun is considered to be the centre and the giver of all life; and as such, this very planet is considered to be the backbone of astrology. When this planet is strongly placed in a person's horoscope, he is generally well built, has strong and broad shoulders, piercing eyes and a broad and high forehead. The natives are basically strong willed, determinant, outspoken and skillful individuals. This is the parent of the solar system. It is the planet which is known to co-operate sympathetically with all the other planets of the solar system, except Saturn. It is temperately hot, dry and masculine. He can be good or evil depending upon the planets in configuration with him.

To reach your goals will heavily rely on those around you such as friends, family and colleagues.

Mercury In Eleventh House
Characteristics Of Planet Mercury :-
Mercury governs the way that you communicate with those around you.

These people can easily communicate and exchange their ideas with anyone. They have a good memory for things in good detail and have strong minds capable of hard work.

Venus In Twelfth House
Characteristics Of Planet Venus :-
Venus is the planet that is about how people express socially, romantically and artistically.

People here tend to have a life of secretiveness and solitude. Although they tend to live very secluded lives they tend not to miss a thing of other people and usually have the answers of questions that others find near impossible to find the answers to. As they are very shy and secluded this tends to lead to loneliness and romantic frustration.

Mars In Eleventh House
Characteristics Of Planet Mars :-
This is where your assertiveness and power will lie. But, depending which house all this extra force of power, anger and assertiveness lies can cause problems for you.

These people have a very independent attitude but are very hard workers in groups. Friendships are very important here but the argumentative fiery side of mars can result in arguments and break-ups of friends.

Saturn In Twelfth House
Characteristics Of Planet Saturn :-
This is where people are likely to encounter heavy obstacles. It is the planet of restrictions and limitations.

Their work tends to be under recognized and their subconscious doubts are likely to strongly affect their self confidence. They usually have a subconscious need for solitude and retreat.

Uranus In Seventh House
Characteristics Of Planet Uranus :-
This planet shows which areas of our life need to have freedom and seclusion. It is also where a lot of unexpected changes occur.

Marriage is likely to be a spur of the moment thing. Relationships can be hard as these people tend to be very independent.

Pluto In Seventh House
Characteristics Of Planet Pluto :-
Pluto is a very powerful planet yet power struggles may occur

Marriage will strongly alter the life of people with Pluto in the seventh house. Their partner is likely to be very strong willed.

More About Houses

More About Seventh House
This house is commonly believed to define our conjugal life, the king of persons we are inclined to choose as a marriage partner and woes or happiness regarding your relationship with your spouse. The seventh house is also said to govern the field of business partnership, contracts and its effect on your life. Whether you will be able to maintain congenial relation with your peers can also be analyzed from the seventh house. If the lord of this house enjoys a good position in the natal chart or benefic planets occupy or aspect this house, you are likely to get a loving, caring and loyal spouse. In physical level, this house is related to the genitals.

More About Eleventh House
This house is traditionally known as the house of income. This house indicates the possibilities of monetary gains, your ability to be sociable and the goals to achieve in life. This house plays a significant role to determine your humanitarian interests, political awareness and capability to make friends. Gaining success in society, popularity among friends and acquaintances and your attitude towards emotional attachment are also defined by this house. Another aspect governed by this house is the possibility to adopt children and your relation to step sons or daughters. In physical level, this house is connected with teeth, left ear, ankles and legs.

More About Twelfth House
In Indian Astrology, this house is known as the 'Vyaysthana' or the house of expenses. This house signifies our psychic perceptions, hidden persona, karmic power and visions. This house signifies your outlook towards charity, sorrows or frustrations you have to deal with, clandestine affairs, disillusionment and realization of your limitations. Whether you will show prudence in investing money can also be defined from this house. This house also tells about after-life, reincarnation and memories of previous births. In human body, this house is associated with the left eye and feet.

Interpretation of Planet in Sign

Sun In Capricorn
Keywords : Serious, Ambitious, Disciplined

You are ambitious, pragmatic, business minded and put great emphasize on achieving the desired goal on life. You have a conservative outlook and do not entertain adventurous or progressive ideas. You are likely to have a strict, authoritarian demeanor devoid of any sentimentalism. Fields like industry, commerce and government are suitable for your temperament.

Mercury In Capricorn
Keywords : Serious, Ambitious, Disciplined

You are down-to-earth, practical, organized and always methodical in your approach. You take great caution before saying anything and when you speak, you do so in a coherent and orderly pattern. Sometimes your love for systematic acts can make you appear to be as opinionated and even dogmatic. You are a dignified, sincere, reliable and moody person.

Venus In Aquarius
Keywords : Intelligent, Innovative, Individualistic

You can be quite rebellious in your conceptions and ideas about ideal love. You are progressive and extremely broad-minded when it comes to choosing your lover. In spite of your charismatic personality that attracts others, you can appear a little detached. Love relationships can end as soon as they start. You can not stand domination or possessiveness and need a lot of personal space.

Mars In Capricorn
Keywords : Serious, Ambitious, Disciplined

You are career-minded and focus all your attention to this field. Extremely determined and laborious, you can be termed as a workaholic. The common-sense inherent in your personality and great organizational power can help you climb formidable heights. You have a strong urge for sexual pleasure though in early years you will hide your sensuality behind stiff conservativeness.

Saturn In Aquarius
Keywords : Intelligent, Innovative, Individualistic

The most remarkable feature on your personality is your exceptional power of concentration. You think in a systematic, rational and scientific way. However, you can be rather skeptic about progressive ideas and stick to good old time-tested principles. Innovative, ingenious and creative you will flourish in any field. You will have a few friends and may find nobody when you need help most.

Uranus In Virgo
Keywords : Modest, Critical, Methodical

Abstract ideas or ideals too high to be practically followed in real life do not have any appeal for you. As a pragmatic and realistic person, you are concerned with only those things that can come to our aid in everyday life. You are likely to show new directions in healthcare, labor laws and employment.

Pluto In Virgo
Keywords : Modest, Critical, Methodical

You have an analytical bend of mind and employ this skill to find out the reason behind apparently mysterious things. You have a strong urge to improve yourself and your abilities through dints of hard-work. You are blessed with versatility and quite good at communicating with others in a positive way. Artistic pursuits capture your mind and you have a great sense of appreciation for such things.

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All I saw emphasized there for me were the signs & houses where I had at least 2 placements. Pretty basic.

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Sand,

I like to first look froma distance of a chart and then "zoom" in, almost like a camera.

First the wide shot, and then the close-up.


So first I look at a chart. How does it look?
A chartpattern standing out? (in my chart a bucket with Saturn in Cance rin 8th house at the handle as ONLY planet on the western side)

Emphasis or balance of bottom or top half? Of Eastern or Western half?
Where are the personal planets located?
Where are the rulers of the personal houses located?

Any elements standing out? Stellia?

That gives you a pretty good overview.


Then I zoom in deeper and make several close ups:

First comes what I term "intrapersonal"
what for me is "basic"k, the core identity:
Sun, Moon, ASC, ruler of ASC (IC and ruler of IC)
here I also note the nodal axis, its conjunctions and squares and how the rulers of each end of the nodal axis are placed and interacting with the rest of the chart

Second comes the "interpersonal", the "relationship profile", how you relate to other people
Venus, Mars, DESC, ruler of DESC, ruler of 5th and 8th house


Third I take special notes if personal planets are conjunct, opposition or square to Saturn, Chiron, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto


When interpreting houses I ONLY use Placidus though. I know others have other preferences, but I am pretty fixed in that, as I personally cannot come to valid and right conclusions using any other than Placidus or topocentric for houserulerships.
I am kind of flirting with the equal system now and then, but so far it hasn´t really worked for me.

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Originally posted by s4nd:
oh that's how to do it? i thot that was relationships. anyway, i saved that so thank you!

or r we talkin bout the killer?


when I first read this thread I thought we were gong to be discussing some freebie website version of chart reading...

and then it dawned on my you were really enquiring about how you approach a chart reading, what do you look at first, then second etc...

First thing I look for is a house with two or more planets posited as this shows a major focus and life theme. next teh aspect patterns show obstructions. In your case the oppostions could denote a see-saw persoality. then the T Square with moon at Apex conj MC. Lots of restlessness with career,work and/or what you want to become known for...

then I would look at the elemental balances grid box and see if there is a lack or surplus.. then I would look at the aspect grid, in particular the squares - as these show tensions, challenges.

Next, look at Asc, check birth time is not rounded up. Next saturn Angular is having a saturn return, as my mind never leaves where the planets are 'now'

all this is done very quickly and almost subconsciously as I've been doing it so long. so I had to slow myself down and think how I did this. Hope it helps?


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posted March 24, 2012 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by s4nd:
oh that's how to do it? i thot that was relationships. anyway, i saved that so thank you!

About the link you posted w.the life theme analysis. All that came up for me was Libra/Sadge/Cap (the 3 signs where I have at least 2 placements), and their accompanying houses in my chart.
At least that's what they did for mine.

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