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Ceridwen
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posted March 25, 2012 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For long I´ve been stating that Taurus-guys do not hold any pull to me, not even celebrities, EVENTHOUGH they would fall into my 5th house.

Well, for the last week I have had quite regular dreams of a certain TAurus-actor (of course I know that I am just pulled in by the projection of a character on screen; a mix of the portrayed character and how he gives him life).

Usually even the celebrities I like follow a certain pattern (and Taurus Sun is NOT it).

In this case his Sun is in Taurus and Moon in Capricorn, a totally foreign world for my Sun in Sagittarius and Moon in Aquarius.

But still I think he`s very cute (again: the projection that I can see, I don´t know him of course), and the content of my dreams seems to confirm this somewhat.

In this particular case, despite the clear lack of Sun-Moon-ASC, I saw that in the synastry a certain "Venus-factor" pops up, as his Venus is in my 7th house and trine my Moon, while -more importantly- my Venus conjuncts his Moon and trines his Sun.


I also noticed that even in the best synastric links, and despite other people agreeing that a certain guy is "really hot", I just don`t feel it, if my Venus has no aspects to their charts.


Now Venus is my 5th house ruler, too, so I can of course not be sure, if it is because of the Venus aspects or the ruler of 5th house aspects.


I was wondering how you experience it?
Do you feel a lack of attraction or interest, if your Venus or 5th house ruler (Placidus) is unaspected by another`s chart?
Does it have to be aspects to the personal planets, or do aspects to the transpersonal ones suffice?

Very curious about that.


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posted March 25, 2012 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally relate
I have Moon/Venus/Taurus in the 5th House
Surprisingly I am not attracted to Taurus/Suns but magnetically attracted to Taurus Ascendants

Maybe we both just have too much Fire in our charts and Taurus/Suns are just too slow to be spontaneous?? (or too cheap) hahahaha j/k
You know...we've got that Sag thing going on and can not be stunted with (monetary) limits.

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posted March 25, 2012 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the89freespirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceridwen, are you talking about George Clooney? I immediately thought of him because he's a Taurus Sun/Capricorn Moon and, well, the man is really sexy. I know he's one of those celebrities I call 'cliche-hot' just because they're widely referred to as sexy but he really just is. He embodies Taurus very well, I think, right down to that silky voice of his.

I happen to think that Taurus is a sexy sign. I haven't always been a bit more into Moon in Taurus and Venus in Taurus, though. They just exude sensuality but in a very natural way.

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posted March 25, 2012 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Planet Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought I was never attracted to Taurus, and it is in my 5th house as well. But then I met my boyfriend and he is a Taurus Sun and I hit it off with him right away, he's got Aries Venus conjunct my Aries Mars and his Asc. in Aquarius is opposite my Sun in Leo, so just looking to Sun signs for compatibility is flawed.

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posted March 25, 2012 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay Taurus!

Ceridwen I'll get back with 5th hse and Venus info.

Gotta run now

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posted March 25, 2012 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's the Venus conj Moon.

Esp if someone's Venus is in aspect to 2 or 3 of your outer planets, that is a big draw for the Venus person, makes em think the connection is out of this world & special (if other factors agree).

I hope it's not Clooney cos that man always looks unwashed. Maybe it's the double earth + water asc.

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posted March 26, 2012 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lalinda,

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Maybe we both just have too much Fire in our charts and Taurus/Suns are just too slow to be spontaneous??


Yes, I was thinking that it is not enough to check what falls into our 5th, 7th or 8th houses but to see if it is somehow compatible with our personal energies as well.
In my case, since most of my personal planets are in Sag and Aquarius, I just really can`t do much with Taurus energy.
though of course my Venus in Cappy is a bit of a "rogue-planet" in my chart.

Interesting that you are drawn to Taurus-ASC. Any particluar degrees area?

I think I never even met someone with Taurus-ASC. lol

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posted March 26, 2012 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 89freespirit,

no, it`s not George Clooney. I wasn`t aware that he has this Sun-Moon-combo.
BUT he is a good example for what I was saying, cause even though I respect him for his work, I couldn`t be more disinterested in him. No offense. But he just doesn`t hold this kind of appeal to me.

I checked his chart and it turned out that both his Sun and Moon are miles away from aspecting my Venus on 6 Cap. Actually the only aspect my Venus makes with his chart, is a trine to his Pluto, which on itse own is apparently not strong enough to make me feel a certain spark of interest.

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posted March 26, 2012 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Planet Queen:
so just looking to Sun signs for compatibility is flawed.

Yeah, that`s exactly what I was saying.

Do your Venus or 5th house ruler have tight aspects to his chart, especially Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC, Node and ASC-ruler?

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posted March 26, 2012 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Yay Taurus!

Ceridwen I'll get back with 5th hse and Venus info.

Gotta run now


Linda Jones,
thanks.

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posted March 26, 2012 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi Lonake,

"t's the Venus conj Moon."
Yes, I was thinking that something strong like conjunction or even square might take precedence.
Though Venus-Moon is a very soft combination, what do you think is its meaning, especially in "real life"-attractions?
is it just that nice cuddly unexcitedness, or is there something else to it?


"Esp if someone's Venus is in aspect to 2 or 3 of your outer planets"
Yes, I forgot to mention that my Venus is squaring his Jupiter-Pluto-opposition, with the Venus-Pluto-square being just under one degree orb.
His Jupiter is also doing a lot of nice things in my chart, and my Jupiter in his as well.


", that is a big draw for the Venus person, makes em think the connection is out of this world & special (if other factors agree)."
Well, of course I have that square with most people of my generation, as I have it natally, but I tend to think if it combines with personal planets in the other chart as well, or becomes part of an aspectfigure, it might gain somewhat more importance than in an isolated aspect,t hat is just a repetition of my natal.

Well, in this case, it becomes part of a T-square, a mystical triangle with his Sun, and in his own chart Moon is square Pluto, so I guess he might project something more than just a Taurus Sun.


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posted March 26, 2012 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya
-I've seen enough Venus/Moon to think it's indicative of attraction, often enough in the synastry of others, I glance at the synastries here too. Usually Venus in the admiring role. In experience it's been about wanting to spend a lot of time together, like being beckoned into a cozy blanketed state on a rainy day by the fire. Depends, maybe on how much Libra/Taurus/Cancer/Pisces there is in each natal (?) .. because those are the calmer/cozy signs, typically quite passive/romantic. It's still Venus to a luminary amiright. And then Moon basks in the affection and brings Venus under it's wing. Devotion is typical. I've read interps ranging anywhere from 'hardly any influence since they're both passive chart factors' to cafeastrology which mentions a sexual attraction. I'd say on its own it's not exciting to most, as in an abrupt one night stand (however if it's in Scorp lol). However, did you have anyone's Moon on your Venus because your Venus is sq Pluto so that may add something interesting to the equation? Or a trine too, that one is the next strongest to the conj of these 2 ime.
-But his Pluto is conj your Pluto, still applicable? Tight orb, you know what, I'm hardly ever attracted to those close to my gen & the same is true in the reverse. Ime Jupiter is enamored w.Venus in the square. But I lovvve great Jupiter in the synastry. Want to post the synastry? I think he must have some Aqua or Uranus to satisfy your Moon? Or no? I thought I noticed that with you, the Aquarius/Uranus of the guys, to their luminary or angle or something that stood out.

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posted March 26, 2012 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for violet7887     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm ...I have Venus in Taurus in the 7th and have not noticed or met a single Taurus guy irl so far. I always wondered what my interaction with one would be like.. I am how ever very attracted to some Taurus Sun celebs though, mostly there sun is near my Venus. Maybe their too sloww and my Gem mind totally skips over them in interactions.lol.idk.

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posted March 26, 2012 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aqua is on my 5th house cusp. I think my Uranus must be aspected by the person as I need some sort of a crazy nut.

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posted March 26, 2012 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake,

"However, did you have anyone's Moon on your Venus because your Venus is sq Pluto so that may add something interesting to the equation?"
For me it seems to do.
I can`t see my Venus isolated from my Pluto, they seemt o come as one package.


"-But his Pluto is conj your Pluto,"
Waht do you mean with "applicable"?
The conjunction is 2 degrees.

"Tight orb, you know what, I'm hardly ever attracted to those close to my gen & the same is true in the reverse."
I seem to really like if someone else`s Pluto is squaring or trining my Venus.

" Ime Jupiter is enamored w.Venus in the square."
I thought Venus would be enarmoured?


"But I lovvve great Jupiter in the synastry."
In this case my Jupiter conjuncts his Mars, sextiles his Sun and trines his Saturn.
His Jupiter is in my 4th house, loosely conjunct IC (5 degrees) and trines my ASC/Neptune/NN and very loosely trines my Mars (5 degrees).


"Want to post the synastry?"
This is it:


"I think he must have some Aqua or Uranus to satisfy your Moon?"
not very much. Though Uranus is sextile his Moon.

"I thought I noticed that with you, the Aquarius/Uranus of the guys, to their luminary or angle or something that stood out."
Somewhat, but not really that obvious.


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posted March 26, 2012 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by violet7887:
mostly there sun is near my Venus. .

so this seems to confirm the "Venus-factor" I think.


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posted March 26, 2012 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Aqua is on my 5th house cusp. I think my Uranus must be aspected by the person as I need some sort of a crazy nut.



have you checked if this was true for you? Your uranus aspected by their chart?

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posted March 26, 2012 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
C,
In my experience with Venus sq Jupiter, Jupiter always goes overboard and gives Venus more attention than they want. It's been that way for me and I've been both Ve & Ju. Jupiter wants to give, to keep a high spirits feeling between the 2 cos it makes Jupiter hyped up/in love with life, but what they don't see is that Venus values things/experiences that are completely different from what Jupiter wants to enthusiastically share. So the response of Venus has been 'thank you for the thought, but really, this is too much, and also, it's not exactly the sort of thing i like.'
But I could see how having a conj to the other's Jup who squares your Venus could not be so grating.
The sq is gratifying to both up to a point tho. Like I said, jme.
Jupiter conj Mars is great for upping the sex drive of Mars. This is the reason I attract the bane of my life, Mars in Scorpio (always conj my Jup) -- their Mars squares my Merc in the 7th, and you know a DSC/Merc conj person will not put up with barriers to communication (!) His Mars in Pisces in your 3rd conj your Jup could also translate to him adding energy to your copious daydreams.
Ummm...his Moon could be conj your Venus, you know that right? Or am I forgetting that you use very tight orbs? I think I remember that now. Plus no tob...o well. O wait, there is tob! You know they're conjunct, right? Smh o that's it. He has Moon sq Pluto, and you have Venus sq Pluto on top, so you're attracted to his intense emotional dynamic.
Venus/Moon double whammy here, conj & trine. Nice.
His Venus in your 7th, classic for H7 person being attracted to Venus here.
From what I can tell his Uranus isn't doing much in his chart, maybe the sextile like you said, then it's in his 7th.
So you have Venus in aspect to both of his luminaries, I think that may be your answer to the Taurus Sun conundrum.
Yea that's me, I forgot that we use diff orbs

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posted March 26, 2012 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, L.


"In my experience with Venus sq Jupiter, Jupiter always goes overboard and gives Venus more attention than they want."
Makes sense. I´ve also experienced it myself, being Jupiter.


"their Mars squares my Merc in the 7th, and you know a DSC/Merc conj person will not put up with barriers to communication (!) "
Oh yes, I KNOW!

"His Mars in Pisces in your 3rd conj your Jup could also translate to him adding energy to your copious daydreams."
Yes, it is simply a very energizing enthusiastic vibe, mentally stimulating (which is what I thrive on; Jupiter isn`t my chartruler of nothing.)

"Ummm...his Moon could be conj your Venus, you know that right?"
Yes, I kinda noaticed.


" Or am I forgetting that you use very tight orbs? "
Yeah, well, I have modiefied my take on it a little.

I still pay most attention to those within 3 degrees, but think that orbs up to 5 degrees between personal planets are absolutely valid and should not ignored, especially in conjunctions.

"O wait, there is tob!"
Actually there is no tob. I rectified it with solar arcs and certain events in his life, and this was the only that fit. A bit later I found out that his dad had died when he was a teenager, and when I applied it it fit right there as well.
So I think you could say this tob is an educated guess, though of course it is not certain at all.

What is certain though is that using a noon-time his Moon would be EXACT on my Venus, which means that for most of the day the conjunction would be valid (the widest orbrange of his Moon to my Venus would be 8 degrees; except for a birthtime late that day, it would always be within 5 degree range - and the later times did not fit his biography at all).

It`s not as foolproof as I`d like it, but it is all I can say.

"He has Moon sq Pluto, and you have Venus sq Pluto on top, so you're attracted to his intense emotional dynamic."
Yes, I noticed that as well. And it does fit my pattern actually, as I am drawn to guy who have challenging aspects of Pluto or Saturn to their Moon or Venus.



"Venus/Moon double whammy here, conj & trine. Nice."
That`s what I thought, too. Looks kinda nice. lol

"His Venus in your 7th, classic for H7 person being attracted to Venus here."
Yes, well, the more synastries I see, the more I come to the conclusion, that it is not enough to simply have a personal planet in a certain house. it has to have an aspect to the other chart, which then in turn will trigger, wake that planet in the house up.
So in this case it would be my Moon trine his Venus.

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So you have Venus in aspect to both of his luminaries, I think that may be your answer to the Taurus Sun conundrum."
Yes, my Venus aspecting BOTH of his luminaries, that is what caught my initial attention astrologically.

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posted March 26, 2012 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My H5 ruler is Uranus,and Aqua planets don't do much for me,romantically,although my first bf was Aqua.

In synastry,your planets don't have to aspect my Uranus.
However,you have to be Uranian.(which usually manifests through high intelligence or unusual yet striking looks)

I react strongly to my H7 themes = Aries,Mars. That can translate to person having strong fire,or strong H1.

Funnily,no Taurus pull for me,either. It occupies my H8,and it has no strength whatsoever. I haven't met Tau Mars or Venus that could be romantic interest,this is Sun/Moon in Tau.

As for Venus,who is big player in my chart,all works except conjunctions.

And their planet in my H10.( but not conj Mc) My moon swoones over that

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posted March 26, 2012 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for s4nd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 26, 2012 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
In synastry,your planets don't have to aspect my Uranus.

As for Venus,who is big player in my chart,all works except conjunctions.



So you`d say for you the Venus-aspects are more important than aspects to 5th house rujler?

Why do the conjunctions to Venus not work for you? How is Venus integrated in the rest of your chart?

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posted March 26, 2012 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

have you checked if this was true for you? Your uranus aspected by their chart?


Yes, for the one person who blew me away, my Uranus was an exact trine to his Mars. My Sun was a 2 degree trine to his Uranus. Your theory makes sense as I need a person who thinks off the beaten path, as I do.

That is probably my hardest need in a person, as I like them to be stable too lol


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posted March 26, 2012 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
So you`d say for you the Venus-aspects are more important than aspects to 5th house rujler?

Why do the conjunctions to Venus not work for you? How is Venus integrated in the rest of your chart?


Yes.
My synastries are heavy on Pluto,and Sun/Moon interactions,and each time Venus was aspected.(but if I have to choose which feminine energy wins,I would have to say Moon) But boys still had Uranus energy about them. It is so funny,I could be stone cold to Aquariuses of the world,but throw in front of me Uranus in aspect to Sun/Merc man and I am floored. However,they may seem Uranian,but end up as Mars. With DSC Mars,they are always like that.

Venus is chart ruler right (and H8 ruler) on MC,squared by DSC Aries Mars,trined by Pluto and sextile by Merc. I don't react well to cancer energy,I suppose,it does square my Mars. Mc is important theme in my life,I could be territorial I am ok when planet away from MC(5degrees and more),but not on MC.

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Hi Ceridwen,

I said I'd get back to you on this one. Had to think about it a bit (as you know my learning curve is still quite steep).
But here goes:

His 5th hse cusp ruler= moon
His 5th intercep. ruler=Sun
His chart ruler=Neptune
His 7th ruler=Merc.
His 7th intercep. ruler=Venus

My 5th hse cusp ruler=Sun
My 5th intercep. ruler=Merc.
My chart ruler=Venus
My 7th ruler=Pluto

Contacts:
1) My Sun Sq. his moon (7 orb)
2) My Merc. semisq. his Sun (2 orb)
3) My Merc. sq. his moon (1 orb)

4) My Venus sextiles his Sun (1 orb)
5) My Venus sq. his Venus (7 orb)
6) My Venus trines his 7th hse Jupiter (4 orb)
7) My Sun trines his 7th Jupiter (8 orb)
8) His Venus sq. my moon (about 3 orb)
9) His 7th Jupiter quincunxes my Asc.(wide orb of about 5)

10) My 7th ruler Pluto is in my 5th and opposes his 5th cusp ruler moon
11) His 7th ruler Merc. is in his 5th and sextiles my 5th intercep. ruler Merc.


Also: His chart ruler touches my Desc. (3 orb)
My chart ruler trines his 7th hse. Jupiter (you'd said this was a 1st hse/7th hse DW)

More than my Sun and Merc (5th hse rulers). I feel the energy of my chart ruler Venus and Tau moon contacts w/ him (as my Taurus hse is loaded).

I also definitely feel his Jupiter contacts to my Venus and Sun. In addition to what Lonake described about the Jupiter/Venus energy, I feel that Jupiter can also be a bit paternal. What I mean is, Jupiter is not interested in being critical or punishing, only in overall growth of the planet it touches, so forgives easily, while making sure progress is being made in the growth department. This is perhaps why I feel that my expression of love and who I am is well received by him, for the most part.

But then I also feel the Neptunian energy between us quite strongly (both have singleton Neptunes), as well as chiron and Pluto (a lot of contacts from his Pluto to my inner planets).

This is the best summary I can give and hope it helps.

In general, attraction for me has to be more than what's on the surface-which for me would involve my chart ruler Venus and moon. Just can't overlook my loaded 1st hse Taurus. In addition, I find that my 7th Neptune and 5th Pluto must play an equally imp. part. Without these combined energies, I usually have no interest.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

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